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permalink #201 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Sat 14 Dec 02 15:23
permalink #201 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Sat 14 Dec 02 15:23
Paul, do you dig this trend of leaderless movements? Ed asked who could fill the shoes Lenny, Ginsberg, et al. I would guess there's a girl in Cleveland who riffs for her friends but won't get up on a stage and who is as funny as Lenny. The Diggers called these people Life Actors.
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permalink #202 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Sat 14 Dec 02 15:25
permalink #202 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Sat 14 Dec 02 15:25
In other words, we may be seeing the seeds of the the beginnings of the Death of Celebrity in the counterculture.
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permalink #203 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sat 14 Dec 02 16:16
permalink #203 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sat 14 Dec 02 16:16
I have a question: Does anyone know the name of the actor who got busted for dope and then claimed he was researching a movie role?
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permalink #204 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sat 14 Dec 02 16:23
permalink #204 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sat 14 Dec 02 16:23
Mikey--I do kind of like the leaderless aspect. A most successful commune, The Farm--which traveled from Haight-Ashbury to Tennessee--was *founded* by Stephen Gaskin (who ran in the primaries for president on the Green Party ticket, as did Jello Biafra), but it evolved in such a way that even though he lives there, he is not their leader.
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permalink #205 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sat 14 Dec 02 20:06
permalink #205 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sat 14 Dec 02 20:06
P.s. re famous countercultural icons--I realized in thinking about them that among the things they've had in common is an acute sense of playfulness.
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permalink #206 of 301: Are You My Caucasian? (shmo) Sat 14 Dec 02 20:26
permalink #206 of 301: Are You My Caucasian? (shmo) Sat 14 Dec 02 20:26
> an acute sense of playfulness Which is sorely lacking in the rhetoric of the Left, such as it is, today. I am surrounded at KPFK, for example, by far too many humorless, boring, nasty revolutionaries. I dig their political goals, but they sure as fuck aren't people whose company I enjoy. I spend most of my professional day (as a high school English teacher in the LA Unified School District) and can say, with pleasure, that a young generation of politically aware and active kids is heading toward adulthood with great promise, knowledge, willingness to spread the message, and a determination to make the world a better place. I'm one of the few people I know who has hope for a future America that I'd want to live in, one that will have the admiration of the world rather than its disdain. Now, on the current front of grown-up activists, I'm sorry to say that, though we might be, in fact, witnessing the "death of celebrity in the counterculture," the old-school charismatic leader types are, unfortunately, being replaced more and more by "professional organizers," who offer their skills, for a fee, to foundling movements and causes, with very little actual attachment to the movement or cause itself. Although the term "protest industry" is a disparaging term often used by conservatives to dismiss the left, I'm sorry to say the "protest industry" does exist and is, in fact, growing. They avoid the media because they don't want to be associated with any one single movement. That said, I can affirm what Simmons says about a wealth of young people ready, willing, able, and ZEALOUS to bring about REAL change in American culture and politics. I work with them everyday.
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permalink #207 of 301: Jack King (gjk) Sat 14 Dec 02 22:27
permalink #207 of 301: Jack King (gjk) Sat 14 Dec 02 22:27
This guy maybe? The Columbus Dispatch (c) Copyright 2002 Columbus Dispatch. All Rights Reserved. Saturday, August 3, 2002 FEATURES - ACCENT & ARTS PEOPLE IN THE NEWS 'ED' CO-STAR SAYS DRUG BUST A MISTAKE The police say he was catching a buzz. He says he was just catching a bus. Actor Josh Randall, who plays a clean-cut doctor and best friend of the title character on the NBC comedy Ed, Thursday denied charges that he had been smoking crack cocaine with a homeless man in the New York City borough of Brooklyn. Randall, 30, pleaded not guilty to misdemeanor drug possession. Asked what he was doing near the trash-strewn park across from the Brooklyn Navy Yard on Wednesday night, Randall replied: "Catching a bus." The actor, a California native who lives in Manhattan, said he was taking a stroll in Brooklyn when he got lost near three housing projects. "He realized he was in an unfamiliar place," Randall's lawyer, Kenneth Glassman, told the New York Daily News. "A homeless man walked up to him and asked him for money. He asked the homeless man for directions. . . . He wanted to get out of there, and the guy said, 'I'll take you to the bus.' He gave the homeless man $20, and he was arrested." Randall offered to take a polygraph or drug test but was rebuffed, Glassman said. Police said it is not standard procedure to test drug suspects. Undercover police said they saw Randall and the homeless man smoking crack together. Each faces up to a year in prison if convicted. [more, but irrelevant]
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permalink #208 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Sun 15 Dec 02 00:25
permalink #208 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Sun 15 Dec 02 00:25
Shmo, I know all about "professional organizers". As some of you know, I've been covering the medical marijuana movement for six, going on seven years, now. Billionaire currency speculator George Soros, and a handful of other very wealthy men, have bankrolled much of the drug policy reform movement and medical marijuana initiatives. There's a tendency for these focus group freaks on the billionaire's payroll to come into a state where grassroots reformers are active and start telling activists on their own territory what to do. Sometimes they're helpful, sometimes they are a disaster. Either way, it's not bottom up, anti-hierarchal organizing.
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permalink #209 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Sun 15 Dec 02 00:29
permalink #209 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Sun 15 Dec 02 00:29
While -- to quote Abbie -- I'm not an -ist, the hippest activists are the young, anti-hierarchal anarchists (and I don't mean necessarily the media image of black-clad, masked 'Black Bloc' street fighters, although some of them are pretty astute).
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permalink #210 of 301: who? me? (stet) Sun 15 Dec 02 02:47
permalink #210 of 301: who? me? (stet) Sun 15 Dec 02 02:47
much cooler than the old, pro-heirarchal anarchists, even those sometimes seen wearing colors, yes.
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permalink #211 of 301: Berliner (captward) Sun 15 Dec 02 04:26
permalink #211 of 301: Berliner (captward) Sun 15 Dec 02 04:26
<206.>: "far too many humorless, boring, nasty revolutionaries. I dig their political goals, but they sure as fuck aren't people whose company I enjoy." And there, friends, is the explanation of the failure of the American Left. If <schmo>, whom I presume is predisposed to tolerate these people, can't tolerate them, how are they ever going to win converts?
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permalink #212 of 301: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 15 Dec 02 08:46
permalink #212 of 301: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 15 Dec 02 08:46
Speaking of names... Paul, was Marvin Garson related to Barbara, author of 'MacBird'?
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permalink #213 of 301: Jack King (gjk) Sun 15 Dec 02 09:11
permalink #213 of 301: Jack King (gjk) Sun 15 Dec 02 09:11
MacBird! Good question!
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permalink #214 of 301: dotcompost (app2bcom) Sun 15 Dec 02 10:55
permalink #214 of 301: dotcompost (app2bcom) Sun 15 Dec 02 10:55
Paul, have you read _Into The Buzzsaw_? (a collection of 18 essays) 4 of the contributors (among others): Greg Palast, April Oliver, Mike Levine, Gary Webb Do you know any of them? any comments on them? their work? the book? INTO THE BUZZSAW Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press Edited by Kristina Borjesson Foreword by Gore Vidal http://www.intothebuzzsaw.com/ from the website: "For the first time in the history of American journalism, almost two dozen award-winning print and TV journalists with virtually centuries of experience among them have collaborated to produce this book of devastating essays about the dangerous state of American journalism today. Writing in riveting, often gut-wrenching detail about their personal experiences with the buzzsaw concerted corporate and/or government efforts to kill their controversial stories and their careersthe contributors reveal the awesome depth and breadth of censorship in America today. Their essays portray a press corps that regularly engages in self-censorship and attacks reporters who come under fire for not doing so. They describe a Fourth Estate that has largely relinquished its watchdog role and that has been co-opted by corporate and government powers. The bigger picture is that of a press actively contributing to the demise of democracy in America."
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permalink #215 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sun 15 Dec 02 11:49
permalink #215 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sun 15 Dec 02 11:49
I think shmo would be one of the names to drop of contemporary unsung heroes.
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permalink #216 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sun 15 Dec 02 11:54
permalink #216 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sun 15 Dec 02 11:54
Marvin Garson is Barbara' s ex-hubby.
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permalink #217 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sun 15 Dec 02 11:55
permalink #217 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sun 15 Dec 02 11:55
Haven't read the Buzzsaw book, and though I know of those contributors, I'v never met 'em.
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permalink #218 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sun 15 Dec 02 11:56
permalink #218 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sun 15 Dec 02 11:56
P.S. I have had communication with Gore Vidal, though, and have a great deal of respect for his wit and his uncompromising attitude, even when he's wrong.
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permalink #219 of 301: Marcy Sheiner (mmarquest) Sun 15 Dec 02 19:10
permalink #219 of 301: Marcy Sheiner (mmarquest) Sun 15 Dec 02 19:10
Personal question: Did your wife live for a time in Woodstock NY, and have you been married to her less than 15 years? (Trying to see if she's someone I knew with the same name.)
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permalink #220 of 301: Are You My Caucasian? (shmo) Sun 15 Dec 02 19:38
permalink #220 of 301: Are You My Caucasian? (shmo) Sun 15 Dec 02 19:38
> I think shmo would be one of the names to drop of contemporary unsung > heroes. wow. thanks.
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permalink #221 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sun 15 Dec 02 20:45
permalink #221 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sun 15 Dec 02 20:45
Marcy, yes, it's Nancy Cain and she remembers you, says you're a great poet, and recalls the Velvet Trigger on Woodstock cable that she produced with Linda.
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permalink #222 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Sun 15 Dec 02 21:04
permalink #222 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Sun 15 Dec 02 21:04
I second Krass' nomination of Shmo in the Unsung Heroes category. Those dogmatics at KPFK can drone on about politics, but in his decency, superb taste, true egalitarian spirit, sense of humor, etc., Shmo IS what the Stalinists think they are.
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permalink #223 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sun 15 Dec 02 22:15
permalink #223 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sun 15 Dec 02 22:15
Tomorrow (Monday, Dec. 16) I'll be performing at the Beverly Hills Library at 7 p.m. I'll check the Well before Ieave in the morning and after I return on Tuesday. Have fun, y'all.
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permalink #224 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Mon 16 Dec 02 00:43
permalink #224 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Mon 16 Dec 02 00:43
Krass, can you post the address and phone number of the Beverly Hills Library for those of us in the L.A. area before you split? The address so we can find it, the phone number so we can call them and find out where to park; a situation unique to L.A., the auto capitol of the planet. Where many drive half a block to mail a letter. Break a leg. And I'll see ya there.
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permalink #225 of 301: Don Eales (jonl) Mon 16 Dec 02 05:53
permalink #225 of 301: Don Eales (jonl) Mon 16 Dec 02 05:53
Email from Don: what do you think these days of the 'Boy Guru' who you parodied and confronted in Houston in 1973. He was then called Guru Maharaji Ji and is now called Maharaji and has a foundation in USA called The Prem Rawat Foundation. I would appreciate your comments please as there has been a lot of hoo-hah on the net with former followers who have set up a site called www.ex-premie.org. I am intrigued and wondered also if you knew what happened to Rennie Davis? all the best Don
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