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Topic 189: Jeff Tamarkin, "Got a Revolution: The Turbulent Flight of Jefferson Airplane"
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Jeff Tamarkin, "Got a Revolution: The Turbulent Flight of Jefferson Airplane"
permalink #76 of 164: Get your hands dirty or get your ass kicked. (stdale) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:01
permalink #76 of 164: Get your hands dirty or get your ass kicked. (stdale) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:01
I was gonna say. Something I didn't get a good sense of from the book, though, is what's up with China, and what kind of relationship she has with her parents these days. Any insights there, Jeff?
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permalink #77 of 164: David Freiberg (freemountain) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:07
permalink #77 of 164: David Freiberg (freemountain) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:07
China recently sang with Paul and his band at the Avalon Ballroom .. and she played some mean tamborine, as well. She seems great.
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permalink #78 of 164: Get your hands dirty or get your ass kicked. (stdale) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:23
permalink #78 of 164: Get your hands dirty or get your ass kicked. (stdale) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:23
Thanks, David. That's nice to hear - one thing that was very clear from the book was that Paul cared a lot about his kids.
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permalink #79 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:38
permalink #79 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:38
> The band even auditioned for Phil Spector, which was apparently a very > bizarre experience. >That isn't in the book! What can you tell us?< Sure it is--pages 43-44. I should really post an expanded version of that story to my web site though (gotarevolution.com). It's a goodie. Briefly, the band was scouted out by several major labels as well as several indies. The story I pieced together was that Spector's sister got wind of the band being big in SF and told him about them. They flew to LA and set up in a lobby of his house or something. He wouldn't be in the same room as them. He had bodyguards and a lot of guns were flashed. Most of the band didn't like him and were happy to get out, but Paul hung around and spoke with him for a half hour or so. Needless to say, nothing came of it.
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permalink #80 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:41
permalink #80 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:41
>Something I didn't get a good sense of from the book, though, is what's up with China, and what kind of relationship she has with her parents these days. Any insights there, Jeff?< I didn't really concentrate on the years following the 1989 JA reunion except in the epilogue chapter, but as David said, China now has good relationships with both of her parents. She's married, sober, finishing school and is a Christian (hey, if Grace Slick and Paul Kantner are your parents, you got a better way to rebel?). She lives in LA with her dentist husband and sees Grace often. She sees Paul when she's in SF and did just sing with him not long ago. China had a rough adolescence (who didn't?) that included her own bout with drinking but she's a survivor like the rest of them.
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permalink #81 of 164: David Gans (tnf) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:42
permalink #81 of 164: David Gans (tnf) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:42
> It actually *is* in the book, a very paranoid episode! I have to get my memory checked. Jeeziz, I must be a quart low. Sorry, gang.
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permalink #82 of 164: David Gans (tnf) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:45
permalink #82 of 164: David Gans (tnf) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:45
Photo of Grace, Paul, Pete and David w/ producer Keavin Beamish in 1982: http://www.fotolog.net/gans_archive/?photo_id=318118 Photo of Grace imitation a CScorpions album cover, taken the same day: http://www.fotolog.net/gans_archive/?photo_id=309637
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permalink #83 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:46
permalink #83 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Thu 31 Jul 03 19:46
>I'd also venture that the whole "alternative" rock thing hadn't been born yet, and nobody wanted to sign too many hippie bands in case it was some passing fad or something. Record companies back then were very, very conservative about spending their money, and their whole idea of rock music *was* the Beach Boys, Byrds, Beatles, et. al, all of whom were still making 3-minute tracks. Bands like Quicksilver, in particular, and I guess the Dead, too, must've scared the living shit out of the average A&R guy back then: "Do they ever stop playing?"< True enough, but keep in mind that JA predated QMS and GD when it came to facing the record biz, and the early Airplane DID play three-minute pop songs for the most part (i.e., the first album, Takes Off). The jamming didn't really come till a year or so later, and didn't kick into high gear till they saw Cream and realized they could do that too. If anything, it probably wasn't the music that scared the record bizzers so much as the MUSICIANS. They obviously didn't give much of a fuck about anything (although they did want to make records and be famous) and that SF attitude was not something the bizzers had encountered before.
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permalink #84 of 164: David Freiberg (freemountain) Thu 31 Jul 03 20:53
permalink #84 of 164: David Freiberg (freemountain) Thu 31 Jul 03 20:53
>They obviously didn't give much of a fuck about anything (although they did want to make records and be famous) and that SF attitude was not something the bizzers had encountered before.< I don't think it was that we WANTED that - we kind of *knew* that it would happen and we considered the Record Biz guys as bozos who didn't understand what the fuck we were trying to do. I realize now that the truth really lay somewhere in the middle --- but we DID have some FUN!!
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permalink #85 of 164: Life Is Easy When Considered From Another Point Of View (dam) Fri 1 Aug 03 05:47
permalink #85 of 164: Life Is Easy When Considered From Another Point Of View (dam) Fri 1 Aug 03 05:47
A so so review of the book in last month's Mojo (with Zeppelin) on the cover. I think Mojo is the best Music magazine in existence today. I did find one comment the reviewer wrote pretty interesting and I will paraphrase here: Is it possible that there is not more interest in this band because it is the only San Francisco Band where all of the primary members are still alive? Think about it.....that is such a good point. Oh, and I have bids on eBay for almost every Hot Tuna album right now. So your book did get me interested in Tuna music again, which means, to this reader, you did your job, you got me interested in the music again.
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permalink #86 of 164: David Gans (tnf) Fri 1 Aug 03 10:16
permalink #86 of 164: David Gans (tnf) Fri 1 Aug 03 10:16
> Is it possible that there is not more interest in this band because it is > the only San Francisco Band where all of the primary members are still > alive? VVery interesting question.
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permalink #87 of 164: Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Fri 1 Aug 03 10:31
permalink #87 of 164: Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Fri 1 Aug 03 10:31
On another philosophical note .. Reading the book reminded me on how the pioneers of that "youth movement" of boomers of which I was a part in my teens were mostly people born before WWII.
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permalink #88 of 164: Berliner (captward) Fri 1 Aug 03 10:46
permalink #88 of 164: Berliner (captward) Fri 1 Aug 03 10:46
Mojo, however, is fairly hostile to Americans, which should be noted. Still smarting from recent personal experience, but it's always been there.
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permalink #89 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Fri 1 Aug 03 14:12
permalink #89 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Fri 1 Aug 03 14:12
Time out for a little self-hype... Jeff Tamarkin NYC Airplane Book Reading Aug 7th w/ Bill Thompson To all New Yawkahs and those within shouting distance, Sorry for the short notice, but I've just received confirmation that I will be giving a reading/signing of "Got a Revolution! The Turbulent Flight of Jefferson Airplane," in Manhattan, NYC, next Thursday, August 7th, at 7 PM. It will take place at a bookstore called Housing Works, at 126 Crosby Street in Soho, between Houston and Prince. Bill Thompson, the manager of Jefferson Airplane, Jefferson Starship and Hot Tuna, will be on hand to answer questions following my talk. I hope to meet all of the New York area Fultonites there! The store's phone number is 212-334-3324 if anyone needs directions or has any questions. Feel free to email me too. Jeff
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permalink #90 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Fri 1 Aug 03 14:15
permalink #90 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Fri 1 Aug 03 14:15
Whoops, sorry about the "Fultonites" reference. That's the name for folks who inhabit the Jefferson Airplane listserv, 2400 Fulton. That's what i get for copying and pasting.
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permalink #91 of 164: Gary Lambert (almanac) Fri 1 Aug 03 15:56
permalink #91 of 164: Gary Lambert (almanac) Fri 1 Aug 03 15:56
Ooh, I will be in NY at the time of that reading/signing, and will definitely try to make it! Housing Works is a wonderful bookstore.
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permalink #92 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Fri 1 Aug 03 19:49
permalink #92 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Fri 1 Aug 03 19:49
>Is it possible that there is not more interest in this band because it is the only San Francisco Band where all of the primary members are still alive?< An extremely valid point. Not just one of the only SF bands whose members are all still alive but one of the only major '60s ROCK bands, period. Think about it: the Beatles, Stones, Who, Beach Boys, Doors, Creedence, Mamas and Papas and of course the Dead...the list goes on and on. And then there are the towering individuals: Hendrix, Janis, Otis, etc. I've thought about this a lot while writing the book. If Grace had checked out during one of her alcoholic binges or car accidents, and there never was a Jefferson Starship, or at least if there never was a STARSHIP--that calamity of a band led by Mickey Thomas--I wonder if the Airplane would be considered in more of a reverential light today. They made the mistake not only of surviving but changing personnel and names (and musical styles), all the while maintaining an ever more tenuous tie to what they once were. I mean, I was no fan of Jefferson Starship from the time Marty and Grace gave up in '78 till the end in '90, so I can't very well expect most of the people reading this book to be fans of that later period (although some of them really, really like that era, even the post-Paul stuff from '84 to the end). The reputation of Jefferson Airplane undoubtedly suffered at the hands of the later Starship, but that's just the way history played out, and for better or worse it did give my story an undeniable arc. One of the points I tried to make in telling this story was how, in a way, the story of Jefferson Airplane is something of a microcosm of the story of the hippies/boomers. Just as many others of "our" generation eventually cut their hair, went straight and got corporate jobs, I think you can look at how the Airplane morphed into the more commercial Jefferson Starship and then the even more commercial Starship as being somewhat representative of where the counterculture went during the '70s and '80s. Hippies>Yuppies and all that. I for one was never comfortable with how readily some of my own friends from the '60s fell right into line during the Reagan era and became more conservative and denounced their past as being juvenile. But ya gotta do what ya gotta do, and the ex-members of Jefferson Airplane did what they hadda do.
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permalink #93 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Fri 1 Aug 03 19:52
permalink #93 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Fri 1 Aug 03 19:52
Hey Gary--look forward to seeing you there. Come over and say hi.
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permalink #94 of 164: Steve Bjerklie (stevebj) Fri 1 Aug 03 20:18
permalink #94 of 164: Steve Bjerklie (stevebj) Fri 1 Aug 03 20:18
Jeff, that's an interesting notion to make the story of the JA/JS/S a parallel to the arc of the story of the Boomer generation. I hadn't looked at the Airplane et al. that way before. Hmmm. Something that occurred to me today is that while the record companies may have been somewhat mystified by Quicksilver, the Dead, Big Brother, and the Charlatans, as evidenced by the dis-connect between those bands' first (and in some cases second) albums and their live performances, some record people did learn lessons from the Airplane, particularly from Surrealistic Pillow. We hear those lessons learned in the not-much-later success of Creedence, Santana and the first It's a Beautiful Day album, I think.
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permalink #95 of 164: Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Fri 1 Aug 03 22:22
permalink #95 of 164: Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Fri 1 Aug 03 22:22
> The reputation of Jefferson Airplane undoubtedly > suffered at the hands of the later Starship Not with me. I had no idea there was a Starship between about 1979 and the Airplane reunion in 1989 until I read your book! Ratbert: I'm just a rat and don't know anything, but that's okay because ignorance is ... is ... Dilbert: Bliss. Ignorance is bliss. Ratbert: Darn, now it's gone!
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permalink #96 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Sat 2 Aug 03 06:34
permalink #96 of 164: Jeff Tamarkin (jefftamarkin) Sat 2 Aug 03 06:34
>I had no idea there was a Starship between about 1979 and the Airplane reunion in 1989 until I read your book!< Let's just say you didn't miss much, although Paul did write some pretty good songs even in those waning years. In fact, if you dissect the components there is still a lot of value there: Craig Chaquico was a stunning guitarist, Pete Sears' wife Jeannette contributed some fine lyrics and Pete himself was always inventive in his playing (as was Freiberg), Grace's singing could still thrill, etc. But when all of those elements came together and Mickey Thomas' Steve Perry-esque vocals were laid on top and the production glossed it all up, there wasn't much left in the way of sponatneity or risk. Technically, Mickey was an excellent singer, but like a lot of folks who came up with the Airplane and the other SF bands, that whole style just didn't do anything for me. Re Steve's point about the record companies: I agree to a point, but Santana, Creedence, even Sly, definitely aimed more for mass appeal than JA, QMS, GD, etc. As for Beautiful Day, I'm convinced the only reason they didn't have more commercial success was that matthew Katz managed them and no one in the business wanted anything to do with him, so his acts suffered.
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permalink #97 of 164: Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Sat 2 Aug 03 08:55
permalink #97 of 164: Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Sat 2 Aug 03 08:55
>Craig Chaquico Yes, I remember how interested I was when I first heard him. His technical fluency made a favorable impression in comparison with Jorma's bare-knuckles playing, but at the same time, Chaquico's lines sounded cliché, almost like advertising jingles, compared to Jorma's inchoate, wordless anthems of the psychedilic revolution. I had not realized until I read the book how young Craig was; now his excellent but obviously derivative early style is explained to me. I have not heard him in a few years but I imagine he must be a genuinely stellar player by now, almost 30 years later. Will have to look his work up.
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permalink #98 of 164: David Gans (tnf) Sat 2 Aug 03 09:36
permalink #98 of 164: David Gans (tnf) Sat 2 Aug 03 09:36
Chaquico has made something of a name for himself as an acoustic player in recent years.
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permalink #99 of 164: Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Sat 2 Aug 03 12:00
permalink #99 of 164: Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Sat 2 Aug 03 12:00
I'll look for some of that material, thanx.
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permalink #100 of 164: Get your hands dirty or get your ass kicked. (stdale) Sat 2 Aug 03 12:15
permalink #100 of 164: Get your hands dirty or get your ass kicked. (stdale) Sat 2 Aug 03 12:15
Something called Starship featuring Mickey Thomas is playing for free not more than a 30 minute drive from my house today. I think they're overcharging, though, so I'll observe the occassion by staying home and listening to the 2400 Fulton Street collection while thumbing through the photos in the book.
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