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Topic 208: Art Kleiner: Who Really Matters? The Core Group Theory of Power, Privilege and Succes
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Art Kleiner: Who Really Matters? The Core Group Theory of Power, Privilege and Succes
permalink #101 of 107: from LAVINIA WEISSMAN (tnf) Mon 15 Mar 04 09:22
permalink #101 of 107: from LAVINIA WEISSMAN (tnf) Mon 15 Mar 04 09:22
Lavinia Weissman writes: Art, Thank you for all your thoughtful responses. Some brief comments: Re: your responses ( 95 and 100) Groups that form cross organizational boundaries. In technology companies, this is common in terms of manufacturing and delivery to customers. Your remark re: Governance is right on. Faculty at Stern School at NYU have followed this in their benchmarking analysis of virtual networks for Sun Microsystems for many years. The orignial researchers, found Governance to be a key factor in whether or not virtual teams could work successfully. What virtual teams in my opinion have not spoken to which you hint at in response (100) is the idea of "paying attention." This is why I believe as you pointed out, keeping things informal in the context of a core group can be more effective. Often corporate alliance groups of virtual teams that form across deparments (geography or partnering companies) get bogged down in a search for civility and how they talk to each other rather than serving the mission and purpose for why the group has formed informally. This is where I believe the model of dialogue that has grown out of your work with Bill Issacs at Dialogos is extremely useful both in examining a view built out of a future scenario and investigating a generative form of inquiry that requires examinations of hidden assumptions. The governance that emerges out of exploring what people do not know on an informal basis, imho, breaks down structural barriers of thought that we learn in professional training and past success that stops people from finding a new model of success or work practice that serves today's needs/mission. Karen Stephenson's work on social network analysis, <http://www.netform.com>http://www.netform.com is another valuable tool here for valuing the informal core group as an asset. Her analysis can educate the hierachy and economic decision makers on how the informal core group in network interacts and what they do (that cannot be learned in a simple conversation of asking someone or a team, what is it you do all day and why should we pay you?). As Karen has said to me many time, core groups that are effective listen to a larger social network then most economic decision makers. Members of effective core groups are on the line every day with customers and a much larger network of influence than most economic decisions makers. Your Procter and Gamble story is in the book is a real good example of how most tightly controlled large companies that relied on a group of founders cannot stay current with the need and response for change that is a skill of agility for any global company or knowledge boutique that serves a large system of service and product. A clear example of this is when a team gets so stuck on archiving knowledge practices from past success and does not look at the here and now of today and what it will take to deliver to the current needs of people staffing a project, outsources and customers. It always surprises me how many answers can be found from your customers and how stubborn organizations get with defending "what they know." or "what worked in the past." Paying attention today is not the same as paying attention to the past or rules and policies that no longer serve. Social network analysis can educate economic decisions makers on how core groups and their extended social networks are behaving as a valuable asset to the bottom line. RE: Woody's remark (90). The bottom line focus always seems short-term. It is rare that a business will dedicate time in the short-term to costing out what is lost by taking the bottom line view. Let me give you an example. Boston College took a short view in building a new stadium on campus a few years ago. They did not analyze the impact on the neighborhood and what they would lose for not doing something responsive in terms of a good standing with the certificaters who approve financial aid and more based on how up to date a campus is with respect to facility and services. In ignoring the neighborhood over the new stadium they ended up paying millions of dollars that could have been saved in a lawsuit they lost with the neighbors. In fact, they had to hire full time staff to oversee the management of the cost of the lawsuits and more. This also stalled the neccessary development of a new student center. This was costly since the lack of a contemporary student center cost their standing with respect to financial aid. I know from my own experience in health care how a financial hazard uncovered in an audit when not attended to can multiply into a scary deficit. For years in many medical practices, financial systems could not talk to medical records systems and this problem mushroomed into billions of dollars of mishandled medical claims. Most core groups know what the auditor will write before the report is released. What does it take to forward a decision to act? A core group that pays attention will learn how in the shortterm to look at the cost of change. Overseas outsourcing is definitely something that deserves this examination. How many offshore call centers for hi tech end up costing companies business and customers because of the lack of ability to respond to the customer due to issues of cultural diversity and lack of training? I am certain we could collect lots of stories about that on many companies, e.g. HP and Apple. Core groups that pay attention not only have to do the work of analysis to stand behind their decision. It is often pretty easy to calculate the cost of doing a bad job in lost business and more if you don't invest in proactive measures of training and customer education in the short-term. Such measures may take a few weeks or months and can replace the cost of what is usually viewed as long the view. Preventitive maintenance can be a back of an envelope exercise for those who don't wait months to audit for problems post the introduction of quick and dirty change. This kind of intangible/tangible analysis is the frontier of thought and change that Baruch Lev has done and provided as testimony to regulators and government. Art, I think your profile of Lev's work is due out in the next issue of <http://www.strategy-business.com>http://www.strategy-business.com. I strongly recommend anyone checking out Lev's web site at <http://www.stern/nyu.edu/~blev>http://www.stern/nyu.edu/~blev or reading Art's forthcoming profile. His accounting methods are state of the art for managing intangible and tangible measures for any core group striving for quality performance. I have adopted this thinking in much of my practice. Thank you for inviting me to visit here. I have enjoyed this conversation and benefitted from the thinking offered here. Cordially, Lavinia
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permalink #102 of 107: Woody Liswood (woody) Mon 15 Mar 04 13:00
permalink #102 of 107: Woody Liswood (woody) Mon 15 Mar 04 13:00
Art: Your response is interesting. I'll have to think about it for a while. And, I haven't taught skiing for 2 years now. LOL We (Ellen and I) are back at out place in Colorado. I still teach and consult -- but I limit my consulting now to the ski industry. And, I'm on a Board, now, and am heading to a meeting next week. I'm going to suggest that all the members read the book and see what comes out of that. One of the folks has published, periodically, in HBR and is just finishing writing a book of his own -- that has some similiarities to your book -- although his book is 100% opinion and experience based rather than research based. If he gets it to a web site, I'll let everyone know. In my lexicon, culture is what I look for when I first start working with an organization. While that may be defined by the core group, I believe that it is somewhat bigger than that and takes into account the different sub-cultures that I find to exist in larger complex organizations.
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permalink #103 of 107: Farooq Khan (farooq) Thu 27 May 04 10:52
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permalink #105 of 107: Farooq Khan (farooq) Thu 27 May 04 10:56
permalink #105 of 107: Farooq Khan (farooq) Thu 27 May 04 10:56
<art> I read your interview with Philip Bobbit and found this discussion very illuminating. I have written an essay for a new magazine which I thought you might appreciate. The magazine will be coming out shortly called 'New Civilisation'which addresses some of the ideas of Bobbit and power. I would be happy to hear your thoughts about my essay; <islam.ind.20.19>
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permalink #106 of 107: Art Kleiner (art) Thu 27 May 04 19:26
permalink #106 of 107: Art Kleiner (art) Thu 27 May 04 19:26
Farooq, thanks. The essay makes sense, I think, in arguing that Globalization is new. The part I don't really understand is the critique of secularism. Does it really lead to nationalism or abusive capitalism? One point of Who Really Matters, I think, is that it describes how secular societies work. They work through organizations and Core Groups. If I understand you correctly, then an Islamic group is a group with just Allah and his prophet in the Core Group. All the rest is interpretation. But I mistrust any Core Group who cannot be directly queried about their intentions. ArtK
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permalink #107 of 107: Farooq Khan (farooq) Fri 28 May 04 09:24
permalink #107 of 107: Farooq Khan (farooq) Fri 28 May 04 09:24
Your right secularism doesn't lead to nationalism however secularism hasn't provided a solution to one's identity that transcends ethnicity. In Europe the debate about identity is more profound because of European integration. And many people recognise that multiculturalism is not a good basis to bond people. In Britain the think tanks, academia, politicians and opinion makers have been grappling with these questions for sometime now without a clear intellectual solution. Bobbit's thesis in this regard goes someway to addressing the problem of identity vis-a-vis the market state. But there is a conflict of values which is reflected in nations giving up their soverignty i.e. material interests of the individual with what is best for the community. How would you apply your thinking of the core group in addressing this disparity between the people of power who wish to hold on to power with the ideal of breaking down borders between nations?
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