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Topic 219: Susan McCarthy, "Becoming a Tiger: How Baby Animals Learn to Live in the Wild"
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permalink #151 of 232: Gail Williams (gail) Wed 28 Jul 04 12:05
permalink #151 of 232: Gail Williams (gail) Wed 28 Jul 04 12:05
I had a cat who responded only to bird silhouettes on tv. But those were very exicting and triggered that little snickery hunter noise. On the other hand, there's a commercial video of kitty prey a lot of cats adore. Mice running. Birds. A vexsome squirrel.
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permalink #152 of 232: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 28 Jul 04 12:18
permalink #152 of 232: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 28 Jul 04 12:18
There's a lot of those videos, specialized too for cats that respond mostly to birds or to rodents or to fish. Satchel yearns after doves outside the window, but I haven't had them on TV enough to figure out his reaction. Occasionally, he'll look sharply at a cat sound from the TV, but he finds only some of them convincing.
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permalink #153 of 232: With catlike tread (sumac) Wed 28 Jul 04 13:55
permalink #153 of 232: With catlike tread (sumac) Wed 28 Jul 04 13:55
Oo, I love the story about Satchel & the wolf howl. And that's just how wolves like cats to feel....
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permalink #154 of 232: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Wed 28 Jul 04 16:50
permalink #154 of 232: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Wed 28 Jul 04 16:50
It's fun to watch the baby ducks learn what food is by watching their older siblings. "Huh, everyone is getting excited and going and sticking their bills in this. I guess I'll do it, too." I've also seen what appears to be ducklings going over to a straggler to let them know that there's food over there.
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permalink #155 of 232: thomas pynchon (plum) Wed 28 Jul 04 17:15
permalink #155 of 232: thomas pynchon (plum) Wed 28 Jul 04 17:15
the wolf howl must be to cats what a big spider is to us.
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permalink #156 of 232: Angela Allen (editrix) Thu 29 Jul 04 06:48
permalink #156 of 232: Angela Allen (editrix) Thu 29 Jul 04 06:48
The wolf howl might have made YOU have some involuntary reaction that the cat was picking up.
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permalink #157 of 232: With catlike tread (sumac) Thu 29 Jul 04 07:17
permalink #157 of 232: With catlike tread (sumac) Thu 29 Jul 04 07:17
The ducks going over to the other excited noisy ducklings is a kind of learning sometimes scorned as stimulus enhancement or locality enhancement (as opposed to Real True Imitation). The ducklings visiting the straggler could be empathy & kindness, or it could be checking the situation out "Why doesn't Ducky Daddles join us? Could it be that he has something... BETTER?"
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permalink #158 of 232: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Thu 29 Jul 04 08:47
permalink #158 of 232: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Thu 29 Jul 04 08:47
That could be, yeah. There are six older baby ducks (some of them almost grown) outside. Three of them go in a chicken tractor during the day, while the other three are free range. They want to be together; the elder ones nestle outside the chicken tractor and the younger ones try to get out of it. They run around in a mob when they're all out of it, and they follow each other around. It's pretty funny to watch, especially when they all run into a wall or something.
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permalink #159 of 232: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 29 Jul 04 09:58
permalink #159 of 232: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 29 Jul 04 09:58
No, I was reading sumac's book and reacted to the wolf call the same way I reacted to the rest of the radio programme. (I say programme of course because it was BBC.) Until the cat started, then I responded to that by looking at him, and trying to reassure him.
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permalink #160 of 232: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Thu 29 Jul 04 10:11
permalink #160 of 232: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Thu 29 Jul 04 10:11
Susan, you've written about animal's emotions and now about the learning process animals go through to become successful adults. If you could write any book you wanted, what would you like to write about next?
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permalink #161 of 232: E M Richards (booter) Thu 29 Jul 04 13:46
permalink #161 of 232: E M Richards (booter) Thu 29 Jul 04 13:46
I was playing around with my cell phone last night. The ringer called "Fuer Elize" did not alarm the cats, but the one called "Bizet" had their ears swinging like radar dishes. I just re-read the story about the dolphins leaning too far and chuckled again. THe lions in trees was pretty cute, too...
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permalink #162 of 232: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 29 Jul 04 15:14
permalink #162 of 232: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 29 Jul 04 15:14
I like the bit near the end where we learn that dog pups can do cold readings of people, but wolf pups cannot.
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permalink #163 of 232: marty (martyb) Thu 29 Jul 04 23:13
permalink #163 of 232: marty (martyb) Thu 29 Jul 04 23:13
(went out and bought the book tonight)
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permalink #164 of 232: Gail Williams (gail) Fri 30 Jul 04 09:48
permalink #164 of 232: Gail Williams (gail) Fri 30 Jul 04 09:48
(I gotta get one for me and one for my mom) Do people bring you anecdotes when you do book events or radio interviews, sumac? Any memorable tales people have dragged in and batted around for your benefit?
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permalink #165 of 232: Reva Basch (reva) Fri 30 Jul 04 11:42
permalink #165 of 232: Reva Basch (reva) Fri 30 Jul 04 11:42
Judging by this topic, it would seem so! I, too, am ordering multiple copies for upcoming gift occasions.
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permalink #166 of 232: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Fri 30 Jul 04 12:40
permalink #166 of 232: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Fri 30 Jul 04 12:40
I can't believe it's been two whole weeks since this interview launched! What a fascinating subject, and what a great discussion. I want to thank Susan and Cynthia for joining us. This has been so much fun, I don't want it to end. It doesn't have to end, either. Though we've turned our virtual spotlight onto a new conversation in Inkwell.vue, this exploration of animal learning can continue as long as you like, Susan. The topic will remain open indefinitely.
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permalink #167 of 232: Suttle (su) Fri 30 Jul 04 13:05
permalink #167 of 232: Suttle (su) Fri 30 Jul 04 13:05
(still reading...)
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permalink #168 of 232: With catlike tread (sumac) Fri 30 Jul 04 14:34
permalink #168 of 232: With catlike tread (sumac) Fri 30 Jul 04 14:34
I am logging on from a Kinko's in DC, where I did a talk at the Smithsonain, which was v. v. thrilling to me---even though I sold few books. I will try to answer the last few questions tomorrow, when I do not have to operate under such awkward condtions....
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permalink #169 of 232: Gail Williams (gail) Fri 30 Jul 04 15:17
permalink #169 of 232: Gail Williams (gail) Fri 30 Jul 04 15:17
The Smithsonian! Woohoo! that's great.
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permalink #170 of 232: thomas pynchon (plum) Fri 30 Jul 04 16:36
permalink #170 of 232: thomas pynchon (plum) Fri 30 Jul 04 16:36
I keep forgetting what this book is about.
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permalink #171 of 232: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Fri 30 Jul 04 17:14
permalink #171 of 232: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Fri 30 Jul 04 17:14
You better buy another copy and read it again, plum!
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permalink #172 of 232: Kindness does not require an infrastructure (chrys) Fri 30 Jul 04 18:04
permalink #172 of 232: Kindness does not require an infrastructure (chrys) Fri 30 Jul 04 18:04
Susan, are there any author events planned for you near Santa Rosa, CA anytime soon????
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permalink #173 of 232: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 31 Jul 04 00:15
permalink #173 of 232: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 31 Jul 04 00:15
but <sumac>, o perfect teller of animal tales, yr admirers would keep you here forever telling wonderful stories of creatures and their doings....so perhaps you should ask yr audience: 'ye who love animal stories/what ideas do -you- have for Selling More Books?'
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permalink #174 of 232: With catlike tread (sumac) Sat 31 Jul 04 10:38
permalink #174 of 232: With catlike tread (sumac) Sat 31 Jul 04 10:38
(cdb), I don't really know what I'd like to write a book about next. One subject I like is the ethical dilemmas of wildlife rehab, but I tried to sell that idea before, and no publisher wanted it, unless I did it in a format I reject (following the story of One Heroic Rehabber), and even if I *did* get to do it my way, I'm not sure it would sell.
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permalink #175 of 232: With catlike tread (sumac) Sat 31 Jul 04 10:53
permalink #175 of 232: With catlike tread (sumac) Sat 31 Jul 04 10:53
(gail), people tell me lots of anecdotes about animals, which I love. Often they're not fully-formed stories. Sometimes people say "This happened, but nobody believes me! What do you think?" More often than not I do believe them. I totally believe that one woman's gramndmother's parakeet, which flew free in the house, understood commands like "Go wake Marcia up" and would fly into the bedroom, land on Marcia's chest, and cry "Marcia! Marcia Lynn! It's time to go to school!" (And I don't think it's a coincidence that this talented budgie got to fly free.) Another woman told me a story about a dog they had when she was a kid, which would always spin with excitement in the front hall for several minutes before the father got home from work. They figured the dog knew the sound of the car. Then one day the father went to Chicago to buy a new car, and there was a snowstorm. They figured he would stay in Chi with his relatives, since the snow was bad (and in those days she said you didn't go phoning people about little stuff like that). Late in the evening the dog started to spin, and sure enough a few minutes later the father arrived, having driven up in a car the dog could never have heard before. "What do you think?" A) I believe it. B) I don't believe that the dog was psychic (which I think she hoped I would say). C) I told her that I thought the dog could hear the car at a greater distance than the people could and that the dog not only knew the sound of their car's engine, but that I suspect it recognized the characteristic pattern of his shifting gears (she conveniently mentioned that they lived on a hill), so that even in a new car with an unfamilar engine sound, the dog recognized the father's typical shifting pattern.
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