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permalink #76 of 168: gazornblat (dwaite) Sun 16 Jul 06 12:55
permalink #76 of 168: gazornblat (dwaite) Sun 16 Jul 06 12:55
You seem to always have great energy when doing interviews - I have to assume that there are some interviews you woudl rather have not done, or prefered to do differtnly.. What I'd like to kow is what really charges your boat (so to speak)... Are there topics, people, ideas that come accross the air, or something else that make your job all the more enjoyable?
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permalink #77 of 168: gazorninblat (dwaite) Sun 16 Jul 06 12:55
permalink #77 of 168: gazorninblat (dwaite) Sun 16 Jul 06 12:55
slipped by Ed.
The filter has to be on all the time, Ed. Fortunately, it's not a burden I carry alone. This is one of many instances where what you hear on the air is the result of teamwork behind the scenes. Before we bring someone on, Katrina has cleared the guest, and - not always, but as often as possible - the guest has been discussed in the post-mortem. It's also why I read everything I can about the guest before having them on, and not just from supportive or sympathetic sources. That way I engage not only my own skepticism and knowledge, but as much of both as I can access. One recent example of the vetting process: we were setting up a quick update of e-voting issues. blackboxvoting.org has done a lot to raise awareness of e-voting fallibility. The head of bbv is a polarizing figure. Bev Harris has as many enemies as supporters. She's been accused of fiscal mismanagement within her organization. Keith Olberman's team was so frustrated at the difficulty booking her, and with her reportedly unprofessional behavior, that he went public with it on his site. But there's no denying the depth of her knowledge, and the stubbornness of BBV in tackling the issue on all fronts. And there was a news hook that week that made her participation even more appropriate. So, we had a quick Q&A on the strictly-limited news topic. She did a good job, informative, concise, energetic. We got only one complaint, a personal attack on Harris. That's not to dismiss it, but none of the facts posited in the interview itself was questioned.
Another example, not from MoJo: A doctor was touring with a book positing a new diagnosis for common, apparently unrelated ailments. His claim was that a substance known to exist in the body was in fact the culprit for a range of illnesses plaguing countless patients. The decision was made to have him on with his research partner. This despite the fact his theory was new, unproven, and far from accepted by the medical profession. I argued against it but was outweighed. The hour turned out predictably. Any number of his statements went unchallenged; how much could I learn in a week about immunity and the disease process, to probe his claims? Some listeners called in to, shall we say, question his credentials. And legitimacy of his cause aside, he came across as a fierce self-promoter. Terrible hour. Alas, it could have made a fascinating panel discussion. I still have no idea whether his claims have any merit. If they do, they deserved better examination.
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permalink #80 of 168: Berliner (captward) Sun 16 Jul 06 14:05
permalink #80 of 168: Berliner (captward) Sun 16 Jul 06 14:05
So you're saying MoJo has researchers, too? But I'm still interested in how you decide which sources to trust when you're building up your filter.
Dave, a lot of the energy is adrenaline! I love the mic, I love an audience, I'm almost always UP when I go on. It's my favorite thing. A little insight on how that works for me: My husband and I went through a terrible, terrible time last year, when a feline disease swept through our household, and we had to put down four cats in less than six weeks. The day I got the word on the third one - my adorable and painfully young Maine Coon, Dr. Livingston - I was hours away from an onstage interview with Mike Wallace. I couldn't even get to the vet's office to be with Livingston, just had to give the vet the go-ahead on the phone. That night's event was the best possible medicine. When I'm talking to someone of that caliber, with all my prep behind me, nothing else in the world can penetrate my thoughts. It's All About the Interview. Despite the awful events going on at home, I was as up for that conversation as ever. So, yeah, the energy can carry you through a lot, and that's what comes out over the air. And I go back - again - to prep. The more reading and research I can do beforehand, the more excited I can get about even the most mundane topics. Of course some are drier than others. But everything has some interesting little sidelights, some intriguing backstory. With the right team in place vetting the topics and the guests (the better story-tellers, the better the show), plus the prep, you can bring that out for an audience. But, oh, yes, I have my favorites! And some of them are non-political, so I miss them very much. I used to do an hour on the SF Silent Film Festival, one of my passions being classic movies. Topics on sustainability - which I still do - matter deeply to me. And that's a wide, wide range, from the future of transportation to home gardening. And the American political and economic systems. Nothing gets me going like injustice. Finally, here I'll reveal my Pollyanna side - any topic that brings light and hope to something apparently insurmountable. A governor commuting death sentences because he sees the hopeless flaws in the judicial and prison systems. Community gardens as teaching opportunities. Tenacious fighters prevailing against established power bullies. I'm such a cynic. I have a very, very dark view of the immediate American future. I figure if those subjects give me some hope, they'll do the same for others, and help us all off our "we're doomed" pitty-pots.
Slippery Ed! Yes, MoJo has researchers! A lot of our radio stories spring off the magazine pages. That means, by the time Katrina and I are adding a new dimension to them, they've been through a heavy fact-check and editing process. And all the segments we do, the radio team contributes background info. This week, Katrina and Peter (Assistant Producer Peter Meredith) lined up the topics, ran them by me, then lined up the guests. Now I'm getting background emailed to me from both of them, as they find relevant articles. More ...
As to my own trusted sources: First, I make it a point not to rely solely on American media. BBC has good, reliable reporting. Google News is helpful tracking down new sources, which I can then monitor and decide whether to trust them. Blogs vary so widely. I consider them a good tip source, but always bear in mind that tips need vetting. I got suckered by truthout's report that Rove was to be indicted. Not that I reported it anywhere, nor did I forward it as anything but, "Truthout says ...". But I got my hopes lifted up, then smashed. Good reminder about the veracity of rumors. For commentary, I'm as bad as anyone else. I want to cheer my side and feel good that I'm not alone, so I bathe in the sisterly vibes of Molly Ivins, and the mutual rage of Mark Morford. But then I venture across the barrier and see who else might be making valid arguments from the conservative side - or, vanishingly, the middle. Debra Saunders of the SF Chronicle posits arguments I occasionally find myself in agreement with, or at least in respectful disagreement. I pay no attention whatsoever to the ilk of Coulter or Buchanan. It's not because I disagree with them. It's because they've proven themselves repeatedly to be intellectually dishonest. Why waste my time? It's not hard to get me to check out your current events analysis; it's damned hard to get me back if you waste my time. Life's too short. Here's where I fault myself on filtering and info gathering: I am constitutionally incapable of watching, or listening to, George Bush first-hand. Ideally, I would observe his press conferences or other media set-ups as they happen, minus observations or critiques from anyone else. But I can't. It's reached the point where his very voice gives rise to such shame and anger in me that I can't bear it. So I dig up the transcripts later. It's a flaw, but not one I'm able to overcome just now. So where Bush is concerned, my information is not purely unfiltered.
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permalink #84 of 168: virtual community or butter? (bumbaugh) Mon 17 Jul 06 04:24
permalink #84 of 168: virtual community or butter? (bumbaugh) Mon 17 Jul 06 04:24
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permalink #85 of 168: Berliner (captward) Mon 17 Jul 06 06:11
permalink #85 of 168: Berliner (captward) Mon 17 Jul 06 06:11
One thing about what you're doing at Mother Jones Radio is dealing with the world of commercial radio. In other words, this isn't public radio at all: you're dependent on sponsors. Does this change anything? Isn't it a bit scarier knowing that if you don't sell ads, you get booted? Do you miss Pimp...errrr, Pledge Week?
It is definitely different! Our sponsorships include spots read live - by me - during the show. After so many non-commercial years, that felt downright scandalous. Fortunately, the Exxons of the world are not about to sponsor MJ in any form. So I don't have that moral dilemma. And yes, all commercial radio lives and dies by the dollar. Some AM stations sell off their weekend hours to infomercials. It's more money for the same time slot. Depending on your market, you may tune in for Mother Jones or Ring of Fire and get an hour-long solicitation for vacation timeshares. Ugh. The wider issue is, how all of radio (all of broadcast, for that matter) will make its way financially in years to come. More thoughts on that:
The pledge model for public radio is still doing its job. It brings in the bucks from its usual listeners, with no special programming. For combos like KQED TV/Radio, Radio is the cash cow. TV is a completely different story. Viewers of regular programming, for whatever reason, don't give enough money to keep stations afloat. So "special programming" - and dear god, isn't some of it so very "special" - interrupts the schedule to essentially pitch videos, or books, what have you. It completely alienates the regular viewers. It keeps bringing in money. It's a catch-22. You combine that with the growth of cable TV programming, and more pub TV stations are shutting down. Not cutting back - going away completely. Small towns now. In years to come - who knows? More ...
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permalink #88 of 168: Berliner (captward) Mon 17 Jul 06 10:45
permalink #88 of 168: Berliner (captward) Mon 17 Jul 06 10:45
But is that cutback in, say, PBS programming posibly being offset by local access stations, which are arguably closer to the lives of the local visitors than Upstairs Downstairs?
We're also seeing a breaching of the gate on underwriting. These are essentially small commercials now, there's no way around it. Subtle differences are still enforced. For example, you won't hear a "call to action" - C'mon down! Buy this now! See your Ford dealer. Credits instead position the advertiser as a good community member, or reliable trustworthy merchant. Still, the wall is weakening. I'm not well-versed in what's happening with large commercial radio buys. I do know the advertising dollar is fragmented all over the place. And what used to be a given just isn't any more. For example, when I was growing up in South Bend - which for radio purposes was the fringes of Chicago - a national advertiser who wanted to reach a teenager bought WLS. Spent a litle less on WCFL. That was it. There we all were, all the kids with the transistor radios set on one of those two stations. (CKLW is a whole 'nother wonderful radio story that still makes me smile. Worth your time to Google it and take a look at its history. What a great ride it had!) Then FM came into its own. Then rock stations broke away into pop, "album rock", oldies, hip hop, country rock. That's just a sliver of the formats still out there. Money flows differently nowadays. And there's already advertising on some satellite stations. I predict there will be more - that if satellite survives and thrives, it will sound much like the terrestrial stations of today. Internet, too. One of my personal favorites, Flashback Alternatives, is already sprinkling advertising in there. So - money runs radio, and nobody knows how or where the money's going to flow in years to come. Meanwhile, the pirates are doing it on their own dime, at least for now not part of the money machine at all. Will they be the next "community" radio stations? Now that playlists and formatting are corporate-run, and virtually the same from market to market, will pirate - ergo, non-profit - stations become the truly local stations? And then does money come into the mix, after all? It's a puzzling and exciting time to be in the business. Here's an interesting read on one of SF's last indy commercial stations: <http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/16/PKGDOILV471.DTL&hw =kblx&sn=001&sc=1000> or <http://makeashorterlink.com/?X12921B6D>
To your follow-up, Ed - Public access doesn't have the same mandate to educate that PBS does. Less definable, but also a factor, is the relative quality. PBS is far from perfect, but their programming is largely well-produced and attractively packaged. Sure, ideally we should all be willing to tune in and learn about our own community and the world regardless of pretty packaging. But the fact is, we don't. Static cameras, poor floor direction, bad voiceovers all contribute to viewer weariness. Human nature - we're more likely to search out and stay with programming that's well-presented. I have my own undeniable bias here. I've tried to be a good citizen and tune in my city council meetings on public access. And once in a while I've surfed past other programming there. Alas, a good portion is flat-out unwatchable. And back to money - PBS has a massive funding machinery already in place. Public access has nowhere near that. And unless you start more heavily filtering what's on PA - which defeats the point of it, really - you're not going to have something that can fill the shoes of public TV.
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permalink #91 of 168: Berliner (captward) Mon 17 Jul 06 11:14
permalink #91 of 168: Berliner (captward) Mon 17 Jul 06 11:14
Right, good points. I was just thinking of the Austin Music Network, which spun off of the access channel to become a regular music video and performance channel on the cable roster for a while. They never solved the funding thing and died, but it was an interesting experiment with alternative TV. Of course, the question of whether PBS actually does educate any more is left hanging. I'm not sure what place commercial radio has in the rapidly re-configuring current music business, either. Why listen to the radio when you've got twelve gigs of MP3s in your pocket?
And we're grappling with that as much as everyone is. Our download is not commercial-free. Considerably fewer commercials than the broadcast version, but our current sponsor gets a credit in the podcast. Individuals and organizations make donations to our parent foundation, the Foundation for National Progress. Some of those donations are earmarked for MJR. Thus, at the end of our show, you'll hear underwriting mentions! Not terribly common on AM radio, but I think a damned smart way to integrate traditional and non-traditional funding models. And if you think after all my years in pledge, I'd skip this opportunity to post a donation link, you're nuts! <http://www.mojones.com/about/philanthropy/>
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permalink #93 of 168: Berliner (captward) Wed 19 Jul 06 07:49
permalink #93 of 168: Berliner (captward) Wed 19 Jul 06 07:49
Uh-oh! Bad news! You've just found out that Mother Jones Radio goes off the air tomorrow. But...Good news! That funny-looking lamp you bought at the garage sale last weekend has a genie in it, so you're not out of luck. Unfortunately, you can't wish for world peace or the good guys taking over the U.S. government, or unlimited chocolate, or a trip to Paris because he's a career genie. So...you've got the job of your dreams coming to you, despite the loss of the one you'd come to love. What do you tell the genie?
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permalink #94 of 168: Gail Williams (gail) Wed 19 Jul 06 10:31
permalink #94 of 168: Gail Williams (gail) Wed 19 Jul 06 10:31
(I am so hoping that is a hypothetical...)
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permalink #95 of 168: Berliner (captward) Wed 19 Jul 06 10:41
permalink #95 of 168: Berliner (captward) Wed 19 Jul 06 10:41
(Of course it is! Although, who wouldn't like a genie?)
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permalink #96 of 168: Michael C. Berch (mcb) Wed 19 Jul 06 11:10
permalink #96 of 168: Michael C. Berch (mcb) Wed 19 Jul 06 11:10
(Jeez, Ed, you just scared the whahoozits out of us.)
Yeah, well - imagine how I feel. In production for a leetle while longer, then back with a (blessedly hypothetical) answer.
Wow, exceptionally long day today. But the show is almost put to bed for the week. Now to that question. Interestingly, I've had a hard time conjuring up an ideal job. Elements of it are clear to me. I know I don't want to leave radio - or, as technology evolves, whatever audio tech supplements radio. But no specific job comes to mind. Elements: Absolutely must involve some element of public service. If the work I'm doing isn't helping anyone, I wouldn't bother. Has to get me out of the house. A lot of my enthusiasm sparks from interacting with other people. Writing in meditative silence in the woods might touch the soul of a quieter sort. Me, I'd get depressed and mentally lazy after the first 24 hours. I can imagine much the same if I had a studio at home and didn't have to appear somewhere else to do my job. WORDS. Has to have some creative writing involved, and public speaking. I do so love words. As a corollary - it has to involve the telling of stories. It would NOT involve morning drive hours. I've been a night owl all my life, and am getting more stubbornly so the older I get. 10am is a nice civil time to roll into work. It would be deadline-driven. I've always wished to be more organized, doing a touch of this and a touch of that daily, in a tidy symmetrical approach to a series of slowly-approaching goals. But no, I need a fire lit under my butt. Preferably live, but I can do well with pre-recorded. *** And that's all that comes to mind. I suspect I'm having trouble with this question because I'm already happy with what I'm doing. Just more of the same (more show hours per week, or one of my other show ideas bearing fruit) would - scratch that, will - make it nigh unto perfect.
Now I'm going to tilt that question just a little bit. I do have a dream project, something I'd love to see set in motion in my lifetime. I couldn't do it alone; I'd need the expertise of many others, and a steady funding source. If money were not an issue, I'd initiate consumer training for children. Age-appropriate lessons starting with parent guides for the very youngest, and organized classes for kindergarten through high-school. I want people to learn from very young to apply a skeptical eye to all the messages we receive daily, from and through the media. How to decode a political ad. Understanding subtext. How to "read" an advertisement, i.e., -Okay, what are they selling here? -Shampoo? -That's part of it; let's look again. ... to make clear they're selling happiness, by way of youth or sexiness or (unattainable) perfection. Imagine making it clear to a 12-year-old the power of the unattainable. The vulnerability of an unschooled consumer. The face of a kid who hears for the first time that the phrase "lather, rinse, repeat" was born as an advertising slogan, and grasps that in all its implications: twice as much shampoo sold, damage to hair from having its oils stripped, selling more conditioner; all the extra crap in the water from all those ritual, unnecessary, second shampoos. Older kids could watch (as an example) the documentary we're featuring on the show this week - "Who Killed the Electric Car", then parse through the questions: - did the director make his case? - did GM really market a car with the intention of killing it off? - look at the way he presented the GM spokesman, in the shadows with his eyes shifting - is that fair? Critical thinking. Savvy commercial consumers, wary political consumers. A program like that would help countless people claim more power in their lives. THAT is my dream project.
And now for something completely different. As I headed home today I mulled over the evolution of a piece that will air in this week's show. It may interest you to see how it came together. It's a case where news events forced us to dance a bit, and gave us a different product on the air than we first had on paper. Here's how it morphed, from start to finish: Harlan Ullman is one of the co-authors of the "Shock and Awe" war strategy, that the Bush administration claimed to be following in their attack on Iraq. (Ullman later distanced himself from their actions, saying that what they were doing was not the strategy he and his co-author described.) He's now with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. With Iraq a mess and an attack on Iran not out of the question, the original inspiration was to ask him how valid the true S&A strategy still is in approaching this new situation. We booked him in for a short segment this week. Then events between Hezbollah and Israel took center stage. Okay, punt. He's a qualified commentator on this, so we'll keep him. But now we'd de-emphasize Iraq and Iran in favor of the new hotspot. Next new wrinkle: as it turns out, Harlan Ullman has a new book out. While he's still careful not to completely alienate his supporters in the White House, his book says the government is broken, it's utterly incapable of dealing with everything on its plate at home and abroad. He has a plan of great scope to reform the system. His proposals include mandatory election participation and requiring legislators to read all bills they vote on. Mind you, we've got 7 minutes together, several major conflicts to cover, an author who's primarily known for a war strategy we can't go into in great detail. And he - understandably - wants to tie his book into the conversation. So what came out of this is quite different than first envisioned. For example, his stance on nuclear technology (energy and weaponry) in India and in Pakistan is arguably inconsistent, and something I planned to joust with him on. That was in the interview as taped, but had to be trimmed for time, and because it wasn't fully developed as a line of questioning. Rather, it sounded "shoved in", with scanty set-up and no follow-up. His S&A strategy in the finished version is more of a footnote, not nearly the main focus it was meant to be. For his part, he had an impassioned and impressive final statement reflecting his motivations behind the book. That had to go, too. No time, less relevant to the new Israel/Hezbollah emphasis. Instead, we have this learned person's take on just how far this current fighting will go, how to plan for long-term peace there afterward, and (from his book) his opinion on why, without very specific cultural changes at home, we won't be qualified to deal with this or any other world crises. You can all decide for yourselves Sunday how it turned out.
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