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permalink #151 of 349: Robyn Touchstone (r-touchstone) Mon 9 Apr 07 07:42
permalink #151 of 349: Robyn Touchstone (r-touchstone) Mon 9 Apr 07 07:42
If Joni Mitchell's "Woodstock" lyrics aren't literature, then I don't know what is. Thanks for sharing that with us, Scott.
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permalink #152 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 08:08
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And some tight Corman/Dylan/Lennon/Robbins observations, Robyn.
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permalink #153 of 349: virtual community or butter? (bumbaugh) Mon 9 Apr 07 08:13
permalink #153 of 349: virtual community or butter? (bumbaugh) Mon 9 Apr 07 08:13
Agree with the take on Robbins that tnf offered. I'll take one mroe run at the Thompson point. It's a mistake to suppose that he's literally writing of hallucinations. They aren't (or aren't just) hallucinations; they're descriptions in many cases. He sees the law enforcement officers as primitive, but not caveman, more alien than that: reptilian or amphibian, with jowly, wrinkled skin and beady eyes and so on. And after Chicago and Kent State, supposing them to be standing in pools of blood . . . again, not literal, but definitely meant to be descriptive, rather than hallucinatory. He *could* hae written that he hallucinated they were wood nymphs, surrounded by glistening dew. But that would be wrong. (I'm thinking in part here of the sort of account of the "languages of art" that Nelson Goodman offered, in which we can think not only of literal truth but also of metaphorical truth. Accounts can be literally true, or may be literally false but metaphorically true. Or, they may be both literally and metaphorically false. Thompson, in the Kentucky Derby essay and in *Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas*, meant to give us a socially relevant and deeply true description of the people.)
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permalink #154 of 349: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Mon 9 Apr 07 10:04
permalink #154 of 349: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Mon 9 Apr 07 10:04
IT'S ONLY A CHAIR! >lose the smog And here I've always thought it was 'loose the spark.'
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permalink #155 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 10:38
permalink #155 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 10:38
>>> from Bruce: we can think not only of literal truth but also of metaphorical truth. Accounts can be literally true, or may be literally false but metaphorically true. Or, they may be both literally and metaphorically false. Thompson, in the Kentucky Derby essay and in *Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas*, meant to give us a socially relevant and deeply true description of the people. Your elaboration on the how HST's hallucinations were also evocative and apt metaphors makes sense to me. In terms of this creating an "electricity" of social realism, the author sustains a metaphorical derisiveness toward society and toward himself throughout the narrative. As a dramatic whole, I think he successfully juxtaposes the drug-addled surrealism and paranoia of the self, with the "real" neon-addled sins/uptightness of Vegas. This Sin City as a metaphor for the Sinning Self is the overriding continuous dream that HST sustains. >>> supposing them [the law enforcers] to be standing in pools of blood . . . again, not literal, but definitely meant to be descriptive, rather than hallucinatory. I would suggest that HST meant, throughout Fear & Loathing, to create surreal (hallucinated) passages that also held metaphorical truths for the things he was describing. On page one, as they're driving to Sin City, bats are swooping toward his head; then there is an exaggerated detailing of the copious amount and variety of drugs in the trunk. When creating this drugged-out P.O.V. character, a likeness of himself, HST chose a playful/deviant rendering of embellished imagery to do exactly what you suggestto create an insightful metaphorical commentary on American society that torqued the reader's preconceived notions of "the truth." You are right that there were well-designed descriptions toward this end, not random non-sensical ramblings.
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permalink #156 of 349: David Gans (tnf) Mon 9 Apr 07 10:55
permalink #156 of 349: David Gans (tnf) Mon 9 Apr 07 10:55
Scott, the Grateful Dead Movie was shot at Winterland in October 1974, and released in 1977.
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permalink #157 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 12:12
permalink #157 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 12:12
Thanks, David. I remember enjoying the movie quite a bit, but that it didn't receive a whole lot in the way of movie-goer attention. And, 1977, jibes much better with my personal timeline.
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permalink #158 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 12:37
permalink #158 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 12:37
Regarding Tom Robbins. I think there is a comic tone to his writing that does turn-off a lot of readers. Then there are others who love his irreverent style. I think Robyn hit it on the head that, often, the tone and surface shtick gets in the way of more substantive underpinnings. Still, he is a strong novelist of substance. Interestingly, where I've read Robbins describing his approach to writing, he says he proceeds very, very slowly, without an outline, with a general idea of where he wants to go, but without benchmarks to guide him. By comparison, when Ken Kesey wrote Great Notion, he had a sticker on his desk that said "Try to make Hank give up." On the walls of his office where he wrote there were elaborate diagrams and notes fleshing out the very complex structure of the novel. For my own writing, I am more like Kesey prefering the benchmarks. Makes me wonder how Vonnegut constructed S-5. In any event, with Robbins, the downplaying of plot, the frequent excursions into metafictional didactics, and the uproarious or sophomoric aphorisms and similes all seem related to writing without a preconceived structure. Constructivism fascinates me in how it encourages the literary critic to also take note of how the author went about the crafting of text as well as, in the text itself, how well the various aspects of craft adhere to the dramatic whole. There is not a preferable way to write, but this decision to plunge in without a map has its implications, I think. Sponteneity VS structure. When writing with benchmarksdifferent from following an elaborate outlineI find that there is still a healthy element of sponteneity in writing one's way from point G to point H. For me, this is not as dependent on a faith in a subconscious outpouring to lead me toward a narrative structure. Interesting stuff.
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permalink #159 of 349: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Mon 9 Apr 07 13:45
permalink #159 of 349: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Mon 9 Apr 07 13:45
Scott, you mentioned Slaughterhouse-Five as being one of your favorite books. Do you think this had more to do with its innovative structure, the ironic humor of Vonnegut's work, or the way he handled the difficult subject matter?
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permalink #160 of 349: Diane Shifrin (dshif) Mon 9 Apr 07 14:32
permalink #160 of 349: Diane Shifrin (dshif) Mon 9 Apr 07 14:32
On page 91 is a very important sentence describing the counterculture: "There has been no other collective mass, or at least none with a similar critical mass, to seriously question materialism and corporate fueled consumerism"
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permalink #161 of 349: Gail Williams (gail) Mon 9 Apr 07 14:35
permalink #161 of 349: Gail Williams (gail) Mon 9 Apr 07 14:35
Nice quote. Possibly the 70s anti-nuclear movement, but that was in many ways a reuniting of the political and hippie movements in later years.
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permalink #162 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 14:53
permalink #162 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 14:53
When I first read S-5 in high school, I think the ironyVonnegut's black humor as it's been calledappealed to me. Probably without realizing it overtly, here was a novel thatmore clearly than Catch-22, which I also read as a teencreated this world which challenged my image of our "sacrosanct" Second World War with its clearly defined villains/enemies. For me, the book was so different, so accessibly written, and so darn creative. When I was at Antioch, Jim Krusoe, who is a most insightful CW teacher/reader/writer, pointed out that the potency of S-5 is due to how high the thematic stakes were for the author. With this, I could totally relate to how difficult it had been for Vonnegut to find a way into this personal memoir of his. Twenty-three years passed before he could write it. The idea of calling this "A Children's Crusade" helped him find his P.O.V. character, and the choice to write S-5 as fiction through a loose frame of memoirwith the Point Of View being rendered by an unarmed, eccentric Chaplain's Assistant/Army privategreatly amplified the spiritual/moral undertone of the book. Then, when I read S-5 very closely for my chapter in The Hippie Narrative, my appreciation for the construction of the novel elevated my respect for this as literature to yet another level. The article called "Geodesic Vonnegut," which I quote, helped me approximate a visual metaphor for how innovative the structure of this novel is. In its totality, S-5 is deceptively simple, but like great art, it's layered with subtextual meaning; it takes on the most important question of the human raceour survival as a species; it is profoundly humanistiche lays the hope for mankind at the feet of men to decide how we humans choose to engage one another; and, once again, lest we forget to read evangelically, the book is very funny. So it goes.....
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permalink #163 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 15:19
permalink #163 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 15:19
>>> "There has been no other collective mass, or at least none with a similar critical mass, to seriously question materialism and corporate fueled consumerism" When I think of the significance of the hippie ethos, I have to remind myself that this all happened during the thick of the Cold War. I'm convinced that the United State never would have invaded Iraq had the Soviet Union been in existence to dissuade this neo-conservative foray into this Middle Eastern oil nation. Without a countervailing force, I then wonder if the best hope to restrain American military adventurism is for the peacemakers within the United States (a constituency far larger than just neo-hippie pacifists) to assert a renewed consciousness for diplomacy, Statesmanship and reason over brute force and a pre-emptive strike rationale that turns a defensive military into an offensive one. And, of course, the systemic challenge of asserting a sustainable human engagement with our planet when the global and American economic system is fueled by R.O.I. and the inherent need for corporate growth, leads us back to questions of human consumptions and limits to growth. There were times when writing The Hippie Narrative that I wanted to spell out the contemporary relevance of my examination, but, similar to the restraint I needed to narrow in the scope of this book to a manageable focus, I thought it best to limit my writing to literary criticism and the cultural history of that period that these literary findings evoked. So, Diane, geo-politics and economics aside, thanks for noticing this at the end of my spiritual deliberations on Siddhartha.
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permalink #164 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 21:02
permalink #164 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 21:02
One of the interesting facets of Siddhartha was how profoundly it resonated with those hippies earnestly seeking out a higher spiritual truth. Most had grown up as heirs of the American establishment, not so much with silver spoons, but with significant material opportunities. What was it about Eastern religious philosophy that proved so attractive to many earnest hippies? Yes, it was an Eastern quest that Siddhartha embarked on, but in this deceptively simple narrative, Hesse also captures the ascetic Christian tradition as well. When Siddhartha gives up everything from his high caste upbringing to seek out his truth, this was not unlike when Jesus challenged the wealthy young man, who kept all the commandments, that "if thou wilt be perfect, go and sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come follow me" Matthew 19:21. Likewise, when the hippies rejected their parents' materialism, was it in the vein of taking Jesus' command? Is this what is implied, spiritually, by the idea that the magic happens the closer you get to the edge? Or was it a recognition that the material bounty of middle class American society was not going to give inner contentment, that maybe there was a better way to go about engaging life in this land professing freedom, especially religious liberty? Certainly, the spectrum of spiritual/religious belief among hippies was vast, but within a shared peace & love ethos, as ethereal as that could be, this idea of an alternative engagement was, I hope, more spiritual than based on finding hip, escapist ways to camp out on an eternal summer vacation. [And when that summer vacation was over, as the national storyline goes, 'everyone' decided to join the money-money "me" generation instead]. The hippie had a new vision of abundance, I think. Spiritual answers to this quest for authenticity resonated from many traditions, even as sublimely direct and uncodified as trying to connect, more directly and sensually, with the earth. In The Conquest of Cool, Thomas Frank talks about how the commodification of the counterculture did not occur AFTER the scene erupted, but was well in place in 1967-68 with the fashion and recording industries, especially, to make a buck off this newest manifestation of youth culture. However, what I think needs more examination is both this mechanism of cooptation that so often serves as a simplistic way to dismiss the hippie phenomenon as a fad, as well as a more serious look at how rooted this anti-consumerist, anti-materialist spirituality is in both Judeo-Christian and Eastern religious traditions. Tom in post # 64 said: "The first chapter I read was "Siddhartha, The Spiritual Quest". That spiritual quest was probably the most important thing that came out of that time period for me. I agree with something you said earlier though: It was not important to all of us. I don't know if it was 10% or 50% of us who were drawn to the spiritual quest and eastern spirituality, but it was not all of us." Yet, this 10-50% of young people estimated by Tom were seriously exploring spiritual paths; they had considerable impact on Western culture. Their venturing opened the doors in America to more true tolerance for spiritual diversity, as well as for the idea that freedom in America was not synonymous with making money and consuming yet more stuff.
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permalink #165 of 349: Robyn Touchstone (r-touchstone) Mon 9 Apr 07 21:06
permalink #165 of 349: Robyn Touchstone (r-touchstone) Mon 9 Apr 07 21:06
Hippie Heroes/Hippie Anti-Heroes One of the key distinctions that Scott has drawn between hippies & beats was the quixotic idealism of the hippies. I have been interested in tracing permutations in characteristics of the hero throughout the course of Western epic/novelistic literature. The original heroes were almost utterly unrestrained wild menGilgamesh, Achilles. The Classical tragedians added a moral dimension by making them pay for their daring (hubris) with some divine retribution. In the Middle Ages and Renaissance, the heroes became restrained by certain religious and chivalric codes (Christian vassals such as Roland and Galahad). If the heroes were as daring as their ancient predecessors, like Don Juan or Doktor Faust, they were treated as villainous rather than as merely tragically flawed with hamartia. Eventually in the more serious literature of the Enlightenment (as opposed to the crowd-pleasing potboilers) the heroic ideal was treated as ridiculous, with deflationary figures such as Don Quixote and Baron Munchausen. This precipitated, I would assert, the advent of the literary anti-herocharacters like Dostoievskis Raskolnikov, Jarrys cold-blooded lover Marcueil and Camus impassive killer Morseult. Even in the exuberance of the Twenties, the eras quintessential protagonist Gatsby is a shady anti-hero. (The only Hemmingway hero that ever moved me was the eponymous Old Man from Old Man & the Sea, & he was a loser). Holden Caufield, Dean Moriarty, Yossariantheir disaffected stances &/or outlaw behavior mark them as classic anti-heroes. So that takes us to the Sixties. Despite the renewed idealism, most of the protagonists in Scotts canon still fall into the category of disaffected & outlaw anti-hero: McMurphy, Kesey himself, Gnossos Pappadopoulis, Billy Pilgrim, Raoul Duke/HST, Horse Badorties, Marx Marvelous. ONLY D. R. from Divine Rights Trip enacts a real heros journey (Robbins J. P. Ziller, though heroic, does not undergo any dynamic transformation via the narrative arc). Of the female protagonists, Pynchons Oedipa is definitely anti-heroine (though not a hippie), and Robbins Amanda is a full-fledged hippie heroine. (I wouldnt identify Sissy Hankshaw & Bonanza Jellybean as hippies). Is the hippie then primarily an anti-heroic figure with bare feet of clay, despite his idealism? And does this relate to the ultimate dissolution of the hippie movement?
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permalink #166 of 349: Robyn Touchstone (r-touchstone) Mon 9 Apr 07 21:19
permalink #166 of 349: Robyn Touchstone (r-touchstone) Mon 9 Apr 07 21:19
Scott--love your last post on Siddhartha. His narrative trajectory certainly is an heroic one and parallels somewhat D. R.'s--both might be said to qualify as the archetypal hippie hero. Interestingly, Hesse's Siddhartha is portrayed as not being a good dad, in spite of his enlightenment, and a lot of the children of hippies seemed to be resentful of the kind of loose parenting style with which they grew up.
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permalink #167 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 21:51
permalink #167 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Mon 9 Apr 07 21:51
>>> from Robyn: Is the hippie then primarily an anti-heroic figure with bare feet of clay, despite his idealism? I enjoyed your longterm literary trajectory. I think if we are going to look at real-life hippies, then the answer to your question depends on whether the perspective is from on the bus or off the bus, and whether the hippie is in her deconstructivist or constructivist mode. >>> And does this relate to the ultimate dissolution of the hippie movement? If by clay feet one means the often anarchistic foundation of the hippies in their bacchanalia, then, yes, that aspect of hippie culture was destined to dissolve. If we look at the many constructivist aspects of the hippies and how these are still greening the American sensibility, then, in many ways, the story of this transformationthe hippie narrativeis not complete.
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permalink #168 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Tue 10 Apr 07 01:43
permalink #168 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Tue 10 Apr 07 01:43
>>> from Robyn: Interestingly, Hesse's Siddhartha is portrayed as not being a good dad, in spite of his enlightenment, and a lot of the children of hippies seemed to be resentful of the kind of loose parenting style with which they grew up. I never gave any thought to judging Siddhartha as a poor father-figure. This is a fascinating question. Siddhartha did not know he had sired a son, and the son did not come live with him until he was a teen and his mother had died. His mother, of course, was a prosperous courtesan and she was with Siddhartha at his most worldly phase when she opened him to all manner of sensual and material delight. Was it that Siddhartha was a poor father, or was Hesse trying to show that, ultimately, each of us decides our own path in life? This son made the same choice as Siddhartha did for several years. If Siddhartha failed, it was in not being able to convince the boy of his "higher" path. The boy rejected the ascetic, spiritual-seeking life in favor of the comforts of the world. Though you pose a profound question, I don't, however, see a logical link between child-rearing overpermissiveness and a child choosing a different path than a parent might prefer for his or her child. Again, to suggest that there was only one kind of hippie style of parenting and that this resulted in one kind of adult child reaction is oversimplifying the reality. Personally, I think that parenting without boundaries or, conversely, with boundaries that stifle individuality result in behavioral problems. I do think that overpermissive parenting is an issue related to drug abuse, single-parent families, rampant consumerism, and a general erosion of politeness and mutual respect that was part of the fallout of the '60s upheaval. This has had significant impact on American culture, notably in the schools. But to say this is a "children of hippies" phenomenon creates an easy whipping boy that I don't think is accurate. I mentioned meeting Roger and Celeste and their grown son, Noah Star, last month. This young musician had a wonderful energy about him; he seemed centered, focused, well-adjusted, and happy. After I hugged Roger at the end of his set, he looked at his grown son, beamed, and told me how proud he is. When I would visit Marblemount years ago, that family had boundaries and expectations and unconditional love for Noah and his two brothers. My wife and I also had limits and expectations for our son. We were married for 20 years and both of us know we did one thing very right. We raised a wonderful boy without a host of taboos, but with boundaries and unconditional love. He has his own family now. He is his own man with his own path. The hippies of the '60s and early '70s did grow up. As more responsibilities set in, especially with families to raise, those that were sustaining drug-addled, out-of-control bacchanalian lifestyles, were not at the enlightened end of the spectrum. Opennessliving out a peace and love ethoswas not without responsibilities. D.R. and Estelle found this out in Divine Right's Trip. (Constructivism again). Again, I think the most screwed up kids tend to come from the extremes: homes with no boundaries and homes where there is an almost totalitarian element of control. Not right to lay all of this on the hippies.
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permalink #169 of 349: Cogito? (robertflink) Tue 10 Apr 07 06:02
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>The hippie had a new vision of abundance, I think. Spiritual answers to this quest for authenticity resonated from many traditions, even as sublimely direct and uncodified as trying to connect, more directly and sensually, with the earth.< I selected the above quote from an earlier post as an example of attempting to elevate an era or group pursuit in our minds. I have seen similar attempts to elevate in such mundane pursuits as sales work. In use, the term spiritual only effectively refers to that which is not material. The material realm, complex beyond all imagining, extends into our lives in "concrete" ways. The non-material realm, OTOH, is whatever you want it to be. Pretty hard to build authenticity (whatever that is) on such a evanescent base. OTOH, imagination soars wonderfully when free of material constraints. Wanting both imagination and authenticity seems a little like having ones cake and eating it too. It is hard to fly without leaving the ground.
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permalink #170 of 349: Cynthia D-B (peoples) Tue 10 Apr 07 11:04
permalink #170 of 349: Cynthia D-B (peoples) Tue 10 Apr 07 11:04
It's interesting to me that so much of this discussion is focused on the spirtuality of the hippie era. It's true there was a faction of hippies seeking some kind of True Path through eastern religious teachings and mysticism. I definitely considered myself a hippie, but I and my cohort never had any big craving for a path to enlightenment. We did believe we could change the world for the better, but we thought we could do it a la John Lennon's Imagine -- no heaven, no hell, no gods, it's just us, here and now, so let's all get along, OK? For me and my cohort, "Cat's Cradle" captured our attention in a way that "Slaughterhouse Five" didn't. The total ludicrousness of Bokononism (sp?) was wildly amusing for us, it was like a glorious spoof of all the spiritual woo woo that echoes in religions through the ages. And the the Ice Nine thread resonated with us because of the insanity of nuclear brinksmanship we had suffered through during the Cuban Missle Crisis. I wonder, what would it have been like if the spiritual seekers hadn't taken the front seat during the Sixties? What if us ol' atheist hippies who wanted to see peace and love and the brotherhood of all mankind reign because ... because ... well, because that's all there is so we might as well embrace it -- how would things have turned out?
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permalink #171 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Tue 10 Apr 07 13:21
permalink #171 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Tue 10 Apr 07 13:21
>>> from Robert: "attempting to elevate an era or group pursuit in our minds." >>> "Pretty hard to build authenticity (whatever that is) on such a evanescent base." >>> from Cynthia: "I wonder, what would it have been like if the spiritual seekers hadn't taken the front seat during the Sixties? What if us ol' atheist hippies who wanted to see peace and love and the brotherhood of all mankind reign because ... because ... well, because that's all there is so we might as well embrace it -- how would things have turned out?" Every writer has a bias, a slant, a point of view. As a cultural observer, I am definitely trying to portray the hippie phenomenon in a more holistic light, one that better captures the breadth, the social/spiritual/political/economic/psychological impact it had on mainstream America and other western societies. I'm not afraid to look at the warts, shortcomings, and reasons why the phenomenon largely withered, but I do want to elevate our understanding of the hippie beyond the lampooning or scholarly/media dismissiveness that has largely characterized the phenomenon. Most historical mention of the hippie is that it was superficial and "inauthentic." I would argue that there were millions of young people in a spectrum of approachesagnostic, Jesus freak, pagan, Zen Buddhist, Krishna, neo-Marxist, psychotropically-inspired, etc., who, as Cynthia suggests, "wanted to see peace and love and the brotherhood of all mankind reign." Culturally speaking, in terms of shared values and beliefs, living ones life according to a peace and love ethos was the driving ethos within the hippie counterculture of the late '60s and early '70s. This was very much a "quest" for authenticity. Whether any of these quests led toward toward enlightenment, an expanded consciousness, or collectively helped engender world peace is a more subjective question. So while this compilation of literature genuinely reflects an array of perspectives on the hippie, my mostly sympathetic take is not intended to offer a rose-colored gloss or romantic hyperbole that "elevates" the period to some idyllic plane of collective spiritual bliss and enlightenment. I am however, trying to elevate the period to a point where it can be revisited with an openness to both its positive and negative aspects. As for the spiritual seekers taking the front seat, it seemed to me that the politicized hippies (New Leftist/SDS/Yippie) were very much sharing the same pew at the front, and self-appointed iconoclasts such as Hoffman and Rubins seized every imaginative opportunity they could to portray themselves as the spokesmen of this far more multifaceted phenomenon than what they could embrace with their politicized, but not spiritual, activism. Finally, it is indeed hard to build authenticity on an evanescent base, particularly when that base is pulled from divergent spiritual and political disciplines and when the "peace and love" grounding is, in its essence, ethereal. Robert, I think this helps explain why the hippie phenomenon largely desiccated over time. As Siddhartha demonstrated, a peace and love credo is difficult to sincerely embrace and follow.
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permalink #172 of 349: Ludo, Ergo Sum (robertflink) Wed 11 Apr 07 05:57
permalink #172 of 349: Ludo, Ergo Sum (robertflink) Wed 11 Apr 07 05:57
Scott, the wandervogel in France and Germany after WW1 just came to mind. I recall reading an account by a touring American written back in the 1920s that reminded me of '60s hippies. Any information?
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permalink #173 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 08:30
permalink #173 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 08:30
I hadn't heard about this, but Wikipedia had a description about Wandervogel as a formal organization for German youth, and a parallel one in France. This is fascinating as another example of how young people, as almost a rite of passage, go through a separation phase from their parents and adult constraints to assert a different peer group identity. Of course, the counterculture, even its largest subset of the voluntaristic hippies, was made up of a loose conglomeration of movements, most of which, especially the hippies, were leaderless. As for my thoughts on the 1967-1972 youth movement being the largest Bacchanalia the world has ever witnessed, what erupted most strongly in San Francisco and the West Coast, which was coping with its own cultural adaptations as the frontier of Western expansion folded back onto itself and the rugged individualist was forced to cope with the pressures of modernization, also erupted throughout the advanced Western nations. This more global upsurge occured mainly because of the mass media, networks of commerce, and an underground drug trade. This youthful upsurge swept through North America, Europe, and Australia. There was the so-called British Invasion of amplified rock music that influenced many other nations as well, especially the United Kingdom. In the US, this Beatle/Brit sound was paired with homespun garage-band counterrparts sometimes making it and finding the same receptive baby boomer market. The boomers were entering their teens; there were shocking TV images of a corrupt war, highly potent psychedelic drugs (LSD)being widely used perioodically, and less potent psychotropic drugs (marijuana/hash) used daily; the impact of The Pill for sex without fear of pregnancy was huge; and racial/ethnic injustice,not only in the American Civil Rights Movement, but with a global movement of Nationalism to end centuries of European Colonialism that was stirring rebellion and unrest. The social cauldron boiled over, with the hippie phenomenon as one, not insignificant, part of this. The social change that ensued from this period is a fascinating area of study, still largely unfocused and oversimplified.
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Scott MacFarlane, "The Hippie Narrative"
permalink #174 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 10:01
permalink #174 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 10:01
Were the hippies pro-American? Keith Abbott sent me a disk with a scan of his excellent out-of-print book, Downstream from Trout Fishing in America. In it he talks about living in The Haight in 1966 before the media invasion of the neighborhood. He talks about how most of those in the bohemian Haight thought of themselves as "pro American." We have Norman Mailer's ruminations in The Armies of the Night that repeatedly address the dangers of "Corporation Land and Technology Land." He called himself leftconservative and lamented the direction of America in "Uncle Sam's Whorehouse War in Southeast Asia." Ken Kesey envisioned that this LSD he had stumbled upon when it was legal would be something that would one day be in college classrooms as guided experiences. A Northwestern rugged individualist and antiauthoritarian, Kesey was very much a traditionalist in many ways. Hunter S. Thompson is very adept at pointing out mainstream hypocrisies and championing civil liberties that he saw being eroded. Vonnegut's S-5 mimics the schizophrenic, modern warrior propensities of Western Culure in his evocative plee for sanity. He was, in this way, a consumate peacemaker. Yet, the iconic images of the hippie era given by the media today, invariably focus on the bashing of "yippie" heads at the 1968 Democratic Convention. Such impressions at the time were accompanied by the idea that these "hippies" were anti-American. Were the Weathermen (later the Weather Underground) anti-American? What about the back-to-the-land communards? Was Gurney Norman correct in asserting that iconic figures such as Abbie Hoffman, were simply not representative of the era? Was this anti-American portrait simply one promulgated by a "corporateland" media that was pushing a different vision of what America should and would be? Was the freedom of expression exhibited by the hippies and the dissent over what came to be seen as a corrupt war and an out-of-control consumerism, actually the more pro-American stance?
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Scott MacFarlane, "The Hippie Narrative"
permalink #175 of 349: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Wed 11 Apr 07 10:03
permalink #175 of 349: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Wed 11 Apr 07 10:03
Scott, we've rambled fairly far afield from your book at this point. And though it sort of feels like I'm interrupting, I'm going to try to turn toward your work again, which deserves some more exploration. Trout Fishing in America was such a different approach to literature. There was no main character, no conflict to resolve, no plot, so why do you think it worked so well as a narrative?
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