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permalink #176 of 349: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Wed 11 Apr 07 10:03
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(slippage from Scott himself!)
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permalink #177 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 10:36
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Trout Fishing In America was an experimental form of narrative. It had no set protagonist, no conflict to resolve, no sustained plot, but rather a series of narrative vignettes that imaginatively recast the pastoral idea of trout fishing in America within an alternative set of contexts. Brautigan's vision of Trout Fishing in America often had nothing to do with actually Trout Fishing, or when it did, the whimsical, surreal descriptions of this endeavor turned realistic impressions of this American pasttime on its head. In this way, the book is often very funny. Each little chapter awakens the reader to a fresh way of viewing the world. These were all mini narratives, but, as I said, with no overriding storyline employing dramatic profluence and resolution. Instead, Brautigan creates a series of little stories that all deal with one motif--trout fishing in America. These motifs accrete. There is no traditional narrative climax, but the book has one vignette near the end, that I argue, is the climactic one. Here, Brautigan creates a scene where his narrator stops into a local junkyard and inquires about purchasing a trout stream. The vendor tells him how much the stream will cost per linear foot and says that the birds are extra and, since they are used, they come without a warranty. With this scene, the whole idea of Trout Fishing in America is one where, not only is our modern vision of the pastoral made to seem more surreal, but the pastoral actually comes to inhabit our modern way of life. Postmodern literary critics favor the petit recit (the little narrative) over the grand narrative (with its eurocentric and masculine biases). I take issue with this perspective in my closing chapter, "Postmodernism Reconstructed." Brautigan's novella is a seminal work of postmodern narrative based on juxtapositional irony as its core form. In this, I believe, it is exceptionally well rendered. However, as indicated in an earlier post, Brautigan's close association with the hippie epoch has not given him the critical respect he deserves as a successful innovator within the narrative form.
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permalink #178 of 349: Gail Williams (gail) Wed 11 Apr 07 10:46
permalink #178 of 349: Gail Williams (gail) Wed 11 Apr 07 10:46
I'd forgotten how much I loved the trout stream at the junkyard vignette. It's a quilt. It's post-pastoral but pastoral. Thanks for the juicy description!
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permalink #179 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 11:30
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It's definitely a quilted approach to narrative. I've seen it fail miserably quite often, but Brautigan succeeded brilliantly, me thinks, with this junkyard crescendo.
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permalink #180 of 349: Gary Burnett (jera) Wed 11 Apr 07 11:42
permalink #180 of 349: Gary Burnett (jera) Wed 11 Apr 07 11:42
I've really just begun to dip into the book (which finally arrived!), so I don't know if this is really dealt with there, but I'd be interested in pursuing the whole notion of "Americanism" that we drifted into, but specifically in terms of the novels that you deal with, Scott. First off, I think that I'd reject "out of hand" the binary of "Pro-American" and "Anti-American" stances in favor of a broader notion of competing visions of what Americanism means. Certainly, when I was in high school and thinking about facing the draft, my friends and I thought of our anti-war beliefs as strongly pro-American. Even the title of Trout Fishing In America points to a particular vision of Americanism (nicely put in <178> as the place where "the pastoral actually comes to inhabit our modern way of life.." I wonder if you could comment on some of the other "American" aspects of these writers -- how they conceptualize American, whether they see themselves as pro- or anti- or something else? Oh, and I ask this in part in the spirit of Jerry Garcia's comment in some interview that the Grateful Dead were "As American as a lynch mob."
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permalink #181 of 349: Steve Bjerklie (stevebj) Wed 11 Apr 07 11:57
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Garcia also once said in a published interview I read somewhere (perhaps in one of <tnf>'s "Conversations" books) something along the lines of "our scene [meaning the Grateful Dead and its attendant "family"] couldn't have happened in any other country." I think that's true, and in that sense Garcia was making if not a patriotic comment than at least an endorsement of the freedoms allowed by America's constitution and our version of western liberal culture.
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permalink #182 of 349: Gail Williams (gail) Wed 11 Apr 07 12:43
permalink #182 of 349: Gail Williams (gail) Wed 11 Apr 07 12:43
I think the love, alienation and wry humor that was implied in the bumpersticker "U.S. Out of North America" captures some of that non-binary complexity.
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permalink #183 of 349: Gary Burnett (jera) Wed 11 Apr 07 14:52
permalink #183 of 349: Gary Burnett (jera) Wed 11 Apr 07 14:52
Yes! I always loved that bumper sticker!
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permalink #184 of 349: What another day this takes: (oilers1972) Wed 11 Apr 07 17:19
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Howdy, Mr. MacFarlane, and welcome (or could that be "Well-come?")! I've read a few of the books on the list so far, and I have two questions. One is "When did you start noticing the '60s feeling/spirit/ethos/etc. starting to fade away?" (which is also the subject of a thread in the Boomers conference) and the second, "What books written in the last 20-30 years best capture what the '60s counterculture was about (and/or why it ultimately did not last on the scale that it once did)?" Question #1 was largely inspired by my readings of two books: John Stickney's 1971 classic _Streets, Actions, Alternatives, Raps_ which was a collection of talks he had with various people involved with various countercultural scenes (some political, some religious, some not) in mid-to-late 1970, many of whom gave the verdict that things were petering out even then. and Peter Coyote's 1998 memoir _Sleeping Where I Fall_. Thank you, and PEACE (boy we need that more than ever!):)
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permalink #185 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 17:48
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permalink #186 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 17:51
permalink #186 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 17:51
>> from Gary: the whole notion of "Americanism" that we drifted into, but specifically in terms of the novels that you deal with, Scott. First off, I think that I'd reject "out of hand" the binary of "Pro-American" and "Anti-American" stances in favor of a broader notion of competing visions of what Americanism means. I'm really pleased you challenged this as a binary, not to discount Keith Abbott's account that he and his Haight cohorts thought of themselves as "pro-American," but because of the way "anti-Americanism" has been framed in such a limited way by flag-waving jingoists so as to limit American freedom of expression and behavior. This authoritarian narrow-mindedness grows more disturbing as the years pass. I don't talk about the books in The Hippie Narrative as either pro or anti-American, but through their grand diversity, a portrait of dissident America at that time emerges. In this way, I think these books can assist us in revisiting what it means to be a free American and how it is that America has changed culturally since the '60s and '70s. Garcia's quip about The Dead being as American as a lynch mob, is hilarious!!
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permalink #187 of 349: Ludo, Ergo Sum (robertflink) Wed 11 Apr 07 19:15
permalink #187 of 349: Ludo, Ergo Sum (robertflink) Wed 11 Apr 07 19:15
>The social cauldron boiled over, with the hippie phenomenon as one, not insignificant, part of this. The social change that ensued from this period is a fascinating area of study, still largely unfocused and oversimplified.< Scott, how do you avoid the problem of reading patterns into past events like the hippie movement? A big sports event is a simpler example where the commentators claim, in hindsight, to have seen deterministic elements when chance plays such an obviously major role as in a "hail mary" pass in the final seconds. I realize how eager people are to have things explained by a trail of cause and effect.
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permalink #188 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 20:29
permalink #188 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 20:29
>>> from Gary: I wonder if you could comment on some of the other "American" aspects of these writers -- how they conceptualize American, whether they see themselves as pro- or anti- or something else? I talked earlier about how the rich perspectives from these diverse writers coalesce into a Gestalt, a portrait of America in the 60s and 70s that none, individually, could render. Kesey, the Northwest rugged individualist goes to the City (Palo Alto) to learn how to write the Great American Novel. He gets blown away by psychedelics, but succeeds in writing two of the finest Great American Novels of his generation. Pynchon is honing his craft with the Crying of Lot 49 showing clear signs of more brilliance to come as well as an intellectual slant toward the modern/postmodern condition in the West that few have equaled. Brautigan's America is profoundly imaginative, metaphorically twisted, but so accessible that, without a hint of didactics or the polemical, he changes how his readers see the ordinary world around them. Hesse was Swiss, so his view of America had serious holes in it. (sorry). Heinlein had some probing questions about the role of religion and sex in American society at the end of the 50's. His fellow California sci-fi writer had started a religion called Scientology. Science Fiction allowed Heinlein to probe some of these questions that would have been censored if presented through a more straightforward narrative. Tom Wolfe is fixated on heirarchy and status in America. He had a Ph.D. in American Studies from Yale. He saw in Kesey and the Pranksters the makings of a new religion. He captured, with rich prose, the origins of the dynamic that created Psychedelia. His work is literary sociology. Norman Mailer is a brilliant political and cultural observer with a leftist bent and a take-no-prisoners style. In The Armies of the Night, he ruthlessly examines his own foibles in the context of marching on the Pentagon. Mailer wants the best for his nation, but over time his blunt political slant came into disfavor. Armies, however, is a profound portrait of his America at a defining moment of the young nation's history. Vonnegut in Slaughterhouse-Five is a boldly pacifist American who implores with great irony when it comes to questions about Western man. What has the West come to with its war machine and insular modernization? His is called black humor, but he posits a hopefulness for man to transcend his own propensities for horrible behavior toward his fellow man. Gurney Norman's America is shaped foremost by the traditionist roots of Appalachia. When, like Kesey the Northwesterner, he ran headlong into pre-Psychedelic California, he came out the other side and found a way to reconcile the two seemingly irreconcilable Americas. He inadvertently showed that the hippies were less the leftists of Mailer's imagining, but mostly radical traditionalists who honored, not their parent's generation, but their grandparent's traditions. Hunter S. Thompson, like Norman, was also born in Kentucky in the mid-30s. A don't-tread-on-me individualist, Thompson had a jaded view of his America, and used his prose to highlight the hypocrisies and absurdities of the establishment, especially its authority structure. If he hadn't found wilder drugs, and if he had come of age during prohibition, HST would have made a great underground champion of the moonshiners and bootleggers, writing a besotted masterpiece called Fear & Loathing in the Cumberlands. William Kotzwinkle has the New Yorker's vision, a caricaturist's brilliance for portraying the Lower EastSide side of the Beat/hippie underbelly. He spoofs hip pretensions, Zen illusions, and a junk man's delusions in this odd casting of America. Tom Robbins' America is a fusion of a Southern childhood/Northwestern adulthood manifesting itself through the comic-hip grotesque. Like with Flannery O'Connor's grotesque portrayal of the South, both of these authors use this comedic veneer to probe much deeper questions, such as the spiritual nature of mankind. It's all America and it's far from a binary portrait which these works combine to paint.
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permalink #189 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 20:48
permalink #189 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 20:48
>>> the Grateful Dead and its attendant "family" couldn't have happened in any other country." I think that's true, and in that sense Garcia was making if not a patriotic comment than at least an endorsement of the freedoms allowed by America's constitution and our version of western liberal culture. I think this is a great observation and quote, Steve. ["I'm Uncle Sam/ That's who I am/ Been hidin' out in a rock n roll band..."]
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permalink #190 of 349: Gail Williams (gail) Wed 11 Apr 07 21:17
permalink #190 of 349: Gail Williams (gail) Wed 11 Apr 07 21:17
Very sad news. Kurt Vonnegut has died at age 84. I was at some point going to quibble that he was not of the hippie generation, but that hardly matters at a juncture like this. He's sure a part of a lot of our brainsand hearts. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/books/12vonnegut.html?
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permalink #191 of 349: David Gans (tnf) Wed 11 Apr 07 21:42
permalink #191 of 349: David Gans (tnf) Wed 11 Apr 07 21:42
Aw, shit.
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permalink #192 of 349: What another day this takes: (oilers1972) Wed 11 Apr 07 22:10
permalink #192 of 349: What another day this takes: (oilers1972) Wed 11 Apr 07 22:10
May Vonnegut rest in peace.
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permalink #193 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 22:37
permalink #193 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 22:37
>> from Mario, The Oiler Fan: "When did you start noticing the '60s feeling/spirit/ethos/etc. starting to fade away?" (which is also the subject of a thread in the Boomers conference) As one of the other posters aptly noted, since I was born in 1955 and was 11 years old during "The Summer of Love," I came to the dance a bit late. My greatest immersion into the counterculture came in my twenties when I was seeking out what I later realized were the waning vestiges of the hippie epoch. These vestiges were very real and had matured since the '60s, but the hippie spirit of collectivist idealism was not what it was. I think it is well documented, and Divine Right's Trip is predicated on this, that a countercultural innocence was lost after the horror of Altamont in Dec. 1969. I've talked to hippies who say that in 1971-2 there was a palpable anger brewing over the Vietnam War. People were very pissed. And, in a way, the back-to-the-land diffusion of large numbers of hippies had an indirect effect of diluting the social concentration of hippies away from the urban centers. With this, much of the hippie scene moved way from the media eye and was not recruiting new hippies in large numbers. The main change, I think, came after 1972 when the Selective Service draft was suspended and the War in Vietnam ceased to be a galvanizing point of antagonism against which a diversity of people could react. This had the highest impact on the most politicized hippies when the New Left all but dissipated overnight. (The militant Black Panther Party also dissolved then.) For the more dionysian and mystical hippies there were many "pockets of peace" that persisted. There were communes that survived. The Rainbow tribe and its Fourth of July gatherings became important. I put the Deadhead movement into this latter Dionysian/mystical category. The hippie phenomenon lost a central focal point in American social debate by 1973, but there are sub-movements of The Movement that continue today, if one cares to delve into the cracks of our culture. The coopting and commoditization of the hippie phenomenon is too involved to address here, but there are still significant vestiges of this movement vectoring through American society. For example, in June I will be presenting aspects of The Hippie Narrative at an academic Symposium called "The Greening of the Disciplines." >>> and the second, "What books written in the last 20-30 years best capture what the '60s counterculture was about? There are many solid biographies about the '60s such as Peter Coyote's. However, I also found Emmett Grogan's Ringolevio, also about The Diggers but written in the early '70s to have a bluntly revealing quality that I loved. Emmett let the reader know who he despised and liked and what was really going on in a way that Wolfe/ Didion/ Mailer, as outsiders, couldn't portray. I had high expectations for Dennis McNally's Long Strange Trip, but, while it is amazingly comprehensive in its detailing of the Grateful Dead story, it read like a historical barrage of people/places/dates/details that were not contextualized in terms of their socio-cultural significance. I've read books by authors that renounce their youthful radicalism or that try too hard to rationalize it. Charles Reich in The Greening of America thought he had it all figured out in 1971. Rereading it today shows how far off the mark he was. Frankly, I've found aspects of the books written in the early '70s, such as Ringolevio or Raymond Mungo's "Famous Long Ago" to be more revealing of the era's nuance than books that are more retrospective. These were great as memoirs but not as helpful for the grand picture. Maybe the difficulty in perspective is summed up in the great quote I use in The Hippie Narrative: "New York Times movie critic Karen Durbin stated in a 2001 movie review that the cultural and political upheavals of the 1960s and 70s were as traumatic and transforming in their own way as the Civil War had been a century before. But its as if we dont want to think about that time, much less risk revisiting its great and terrible vitality (Durbin, NY Times, 8/19/01)." In other words, we're still trying to get our collective arms and minds around this amorphous ethos that still haunts the American psyche. I chose to revisit the era through its authors with the hope that a fresh perspective would emerge. >> and/or why it ultimately did not last on the scale that it once did)?" People will say that the drugs did in the hippie. The War on Drugs certainly incarcerated a great many users/dealers and drug abuse was the Achille's Heal of individual hippies. The more anarchistic aspects of the hippie bacchanalia were simply not tolerated. I think that when those earnest hippies tried to adapt alternative lifestyles, this set in motion the absorping and coopting cultural mechanisms that would bring the most meritorious and saleable aspects of hippie culture into the mainstream. Foremost, however, for most young people receptive to the hippie ethos was the raw need to survive, to find work, to support themselves and/or their young families. This was the single biggest compromising factor in the foreshortening of the hippie epoch, in my estimation.
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permalink #194 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 22:39
permalink #194 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 22:39
I just read your post about Vonnegut, Mario. Too many of these authors I write about are dead. At least this fine author lived a full life. God bless!!
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permalink #195 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 22:54
permalink #195 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 11 Apr 07 22:54
Epigraph as Epitaph For Kurt Vonnegut, there is a deep affinity with American life. His rise to popularity during the sixties was an event itself, taking its place alongside other milestones of popular history during those tumultuous times. Cultural historians already perceive those events as important episodes in the evolution of American culture. But Vonneguts importance is something more than as the spokesman of a counterculture. It is more like the authentic idiom of a whole culture, with its contradictions, dissonances, and dreams as parts of the full orchestration. There has never been another writer quite like Vonnegut, just as there has never been another decade quite like the sixties. (xii) From Vonnegut in America, Jerome Klinkowitz/ Donald Lawler
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permalink #196 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 12 Apr 07 08:16
permalink #196 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 12 Apr 07 08:16
>> from Robert: Scott, how do you avoid the problem of reading patterns into past events like the hippie movement? >> I realize how eager people are to have things explained by a trail of cause and effect. My writing of The Hippie Narrativeas a result of getting an MFA in Creative Writingled me back to my social science undergraduate roots in Cultural Anthropology. I don't see "reading patterns into past events" as a problem if there is evidence that those patterns existed. Rather, oversimplifying complex sociological phenomenon and reducing things to a formulaic cause and effect is a problem. Remember Diane's post talking about Venice, CA. in 1971 when it seemed that the hippies had just emerged from the Ocean? For me, that had great poetic appeal as an imagistic take on this scene. I loved it's impressionistic take as a snapshot of the time, but I didn't take it literally. For example, how much of the impression that those individuals were giving was "caused" by them wishing to assume new personnas, wishing to transcend the baggage of the past? How much of it was encouraged by a new hippie culture that allowed people to take new names, slip into an underground culture? How much of this was precipitated by their psychedelic drug use that impelled them to want to disconnect from past baggage and try to live solely in the here-and-now of their 1971 existence? These are all questions of cause and effect that in no way refute Diane's eloquent observation which holds a different sense of 'the truth.' However, causes and effects do emerge when one steps back to make larger cultural observations. This doesn't reduce these people in Venus in 1971 to some vacuum of chance to explain the impression they were giving, but offers a larger plausible context.
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permalink #197 of 349: Gail Williams (gail) Thu 12 Apr 07 09:20
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By the way, a nice personal recollection of playing chess with Vonnegut by <aleonard> is up at Salon today, and while I checked it out, I noticed the disturbing main cover story is about Casteneda's lovers and their apparent suicide pact. http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/04/12/castaneda/ Strange to have two of these authors come back into the news in such different ways on the same day.
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permalink #198 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 12 Apr 07 09:31
permalink #198 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 12 Apr 07 09:31
Vonnegut's passing has hit hard. The still living authors that I discuss in The Hippie Narrative are Pynchon, Wolfe, Mailer, Norman, Kotzwinkle (I think), Didion, Robbins, and Denis Johnson. Gone are Ginsberg, Kerouac, Burroughs, Kesey, Farina, Brautigan, Hesse, Heinlein, HST, and now Vonnegut. Gone except in the immortality of their powerful words, that is.
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permalink #199 of 349: What another day this takes: (oilers1972) Thu 12 Apr 07 13:29
permalink #199 of 349: What another day this takes: (oilers1972) Thu 12 Apr 07 13:29
"People will say that drugs did in the hippie." On first reading of the aboue quote from your post Scott (thank you by the way), one might conclude that all drugs were the problem, in a way that the right-wing politicians and commentators would. However, I think the drug problem was predominantly with hard drugs. For instance, the Haight was largely destroyed by speed in 1967 (ironically, during the Summer of Love--and by the way, I believe the TRUE Summer of Love was the previous one, before the mass-media blitzkrieg and resultant overpopulation) and heroin in the years after. In the early 1970s, Quaaludes were quite popular (from the literature of the time I've read, it seemed there were a lot of acidheads who just wanted to forget--especially after the nightmares of the Haight's disintegration, Altamont, Manson, and the political/social divisiveness of the time--like Thompson pointed out, mind expansion went out with LBJ and downers came in with Nixon), and starting in the second half of the 1970s, cocaine came into all sectors of America like a January midwestern blizzard. I've read Martin Torgoff's excellent book, _Can't Find My Way Home_, which was about the social/economic/political/cultural history of drugs in post-WWII America, and he pointed out how widespread cocaine use was from the mid-'70s to roughly about the early '80s. Sure, there was the Reagan drug war, but also a lot of people were having problems with cocaine and other drugs by this period, and it seemed to be the time when many baby-boomers started to end their drug use, or greatly curtail it regardless of what Ron and Nancy were shouting out from their rooftops (while the CIA was flooding America's streets with cocaine themselves in order to finance the Contras in Nicaragua and the right-wing government in El Salvador--this makes me wonder if the War On Drugs was not at least partly ana ttempt to deflect attention from this very ugly little secret, as well as serving as part of a vendetta against the movements of the 1960s). Of course, there were also those who habitually smoked too much marijuana and allowed it to become too big in their lives (which can easily be done with anything, drugs or not) as well as those who were the acid-burnouts (like Sam Spence and Syd Barrett). Any thoughts on the rambling words above?
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permalink #200 of 349: What another day this takes: (oilers1972) Thu 12 Apr 07 13:31
permalink #200 of 349: What another day this takes: (oilers1972) Thu 12 Apr 07 13:31
(P.S. Sorry, in my opening sentence I meant "above." In Paragraph #2 I intended to say "an attempt.")
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