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Topic 312: Steven Roby, "Black Gold: The Lost Archives of Jimi Hendrix"
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Steven Roby, "Black Gold: The Lost Archives of Jimi Hendrix"
permalink #101 of 154: Steven Roby (jimijames) Mon 19 Nov 07 20:12
permalink #101 of 154: Steven Roby (jimijames) Mon 19 Nov 07 20:12
>> Is there a run of Hendrix shows, or specific tour that, in your opinion, was especially riveting during that time (67-68)? Here's a few October 9, 1967 Olympia, Paris - great soundboard recording. December 22, 1967 Oympia, London - filmed - great fun version of "Sgt. Peppers LHCB". Feb 1968, Winterland, Jimi brings up Buddy Miles for a long version of "Dear Mr. Fantasy." March 19, 1968. Ottawa, Canada, great soundboard of this show May 10, 1968, Fillmore East, NY. Jimi does Dylan's "Crawl out your Window," and when someone yells out for him to take off his hat he responds: "I'll take off my hat if you take off your pants."
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permalink #102 of 154: Darrell Jonsson (jonsson) Tue 20 Nov 07 00:53
permalink #102 of 154: Darrell Jonsson (jonsson) Tue 20 Nov 07 00:53
>This comment related to Grunge comes from the key guitarists in this >Seattle scene who love to cite Jimi as a fundamental influence. Ask again Scot...Jimi is only part of the picture...next time ask about, Leigh Stephens, Jan Savage, Wayne Kramer, Tony Iommi and Chris Newman who also figure along with Page, Beck and others in the roots of grunge. One might speculate Van Halen is in there somwhere, but the above list is a good start. Most electric guitarists today will give nod to Hendrix and rightfully, but in contemplating Hendrix's 'inexplicable' sound, I've yet to read or hear a discussion of 2 considerable factors. The extraordinary musical literacy of the players he mixed with in London. This literacy included knowledge of 20th century post-war tone stretching music, such as Stockhausen, Berio, Penderecki, and with many highly trained and road tested jazz skills. As well there was a wierd painterly approach by many of the younger UK musicians at the time that music critic Greg Russo attributes to art-school notions of 'expressionism' that mixed with their working class empathy for the blues. The role of jazz horn players on Hendrix, saxphonists who earlier in the 60s with their energetic extention of technique, range and expression, (and even theatrics in the case of John Gilmore), seemed to very related to, if not set the foundation for what Hendrix later did on guitar. (sorry about my rough posts and scribbles, i'm using telnet).
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permalink #103 of 154: Steven Roby (jimijames) Tue 20 Nov 07 08:43
permalink #103 of 154: Steven Roby (jimijames) Tue 20 Nov 07 08:43
In this 1968 interview Jimi doesn't seemed bothered by categories, charts, or reaching an R&B audience. But, in order to reach "soul people" the group would have to improve. Jimi's asked why his music was not crossing over on R&B radio. Hendrix: It just takes time. We haven't been exposed in this one area as much as we have in other areas. But we're as open to it as we are to anything else. Q: But why don't we see you on the R&B charts? Hendrix: Well, it's all right. Our music may not be R&B to them; it may not be what they think of as R&B. It doesn't bother me. Everyone gets his chance. Q: Do you feel that people are too hung up on musical categories and won't listen to your records because of labels? Hendrix: Yeah. But sometimes they don't listen to something because it sounds completely alien to them and what they've been used to. It's like a colored actress wants to make it Hollywood, she has to be twice as good. It's like that with us: we have to be 10 times as good to get the soul people to listen to us. (from Hullabaloo - Feb. 1969) .
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permalink #104 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Tue 20 Nov 07 10:21
permalink #104 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Tue 20 Nov 07 10:21
Darrell...of course Jimi is only a part of the picture in the guitarists who influenced Grunge music. He was, however, a key part of the equation if we are to take several interviews by grunge guitarists as to who their primary influences were. Even within Grunge there was not a monolithic sound. The guitar work in Pearl Jam and Soundgarden is more sophisticated than Kurt Cobain's. Alice In Chains sounds far more foreboding and haunting with a prominent bass blues fronting. When I think of the primary similarity between Grunge music and the great hard rock from 1966 to 1972, it is in the shared vibrancy. In the late 70s and 80s, from Disco to glam rock (including Journey, Foreigner, Boston, etc.), and the splintering of rock toward varying influences of folk, country, jazz fusion, and heavy metal, the vitality of rock music seemed to dissipate. In no way did Grunge come close to overshadowing the cultural magnitude of psychedelic rock, but there was a straight forward vibrancy captured by the Grunge bands that was reminescent of the earlier era. Also, Darrell, your points about Jimi being influenced by the high musical literacy of English musicians and jazz horn players is fascinating. Jimi, not being able to read or write music, certainly had an incredible ability to absorb and synthesize many musical influences. I think, though, we need to be careful not to overstate how much of this English "literacy" he could have been exposed to and integrated into his own style in the short time from when he arrived in London and was put out on a rather grueling tour schedule. According to "Black Gold", in September 1966, Hendrix flew to London. He started to record the "Are You Experienced" album in October. In December '66 he wrote "Purple Haze." The Experience started touring heavily in March 1967. Certainly, the guitar techniques of the successful players he met and directly jammed with--Clapton, Townshend, Daevid Allen--were, as Rik suggests, the primary influence on that last layering of the Hendrix sound. The high literacy of English players, in particular the musicians you mentioned, was influential only insofar as he could directly absorb such sophistication from those players he jammed with. It's highly unlikely that he was aware of "Stockhausen, Berio, or Penderecki." It's certainly hard to suggest that this level of musical literacy in the English scene was more significant than the Elvis Presley or Muddy Waters records he heard as a kid? On the other hand, I do agree that Jimi, from both the "Chitlin' Circuit" and the techniques he learned in England to convey the sound, was amazing at projecting a jazz horn sound through his guitar.
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permalink #105 of 154: Tim Fox (timfox) Tue 20 Nov 07 11:33
permalink #105 of 154: Tim Fox (timfox) Tue 20 Nov 07 11:33
The notion that he may have known music by the likes Stockhausen or Penderecki is interesting. If so, perhaps they influenced him in his use of feedback and electronics.
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permalink #106 of 154: Darrell Jonsson (jonsson) Tue 20 Nov 07 12:21
permalink #106 of 154: Darrell Jonsson (jonsson) Tue 20 Nov 07 12:21
>It's certainly hard to suggest that this level of musical >literacy in the English scene was more significant than the Elvis >Presley or Muddy Waters records he heard as a kid? The American experience was important, essential and perhaps it weighs in more in the long run than the London experience. But many American guitarists had that same background and yet did not sound like Hendrix. Every other tree has been shook, all that IMHO remains is the question of 20th century composers filtering through UK psychedelia, and the expressive use of horns that was going earlier in the 60s. Then again one Sun-Ra show in NYC could of done the trick.
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permalink #107 of 154: Darrell Jonsson (jonsson) Tue 20 Nov 07 12:33
permalink #107 of 154: Darrell Jonsson (jonsson) Tue 20 Nov 07 12:33
Stockhausen certainly was in early Pink Floyd's bag of tricks, Penderecki is a speculation, but the extended use of stringed instruments to achieve previously unheard sounds is one thing in common. Maybe Hendrix was carrying around a copy of Holst's planets, most people don't escape hearing 'classical' music, even if they can't ID who they are listening to. Berio was in McCartney and George Martin's bag of tricks. Would a few good nights though listening to early extended Pink Floyd sets been enough to catch the thread?
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permalink #108 of 154: "The Best for Your Health!" (rik) Tue 20 Nov 07 12:34
permalink #108 of 154: "The Best for Your Health!" (rik) Tue 20 Nov 07 12:34
To end, type . (a period) on a line by itself Riding gain on a 100 Watt Marshall with no gain staging is a thing unto itself, and you learn how to do it by being exposed to someone who does it. The guys doing it at the time were in England. THAT is where R&B went into the stratosphere.
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permalink #109 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Tue 20 Nov 07 13:44
permalink #109 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Tue 20 Nov 07 13:44
<<The American experience was important, essential and perhaps it weighs in more in the long run than the London experience. But many American guitarists had that same background and yet did not sound like Hendrix. Every other tree has been shook, all that IMHO remains is the question of 20th century composers filtering through UK psychedelia>> For me the question isn't one over the other, and I think you're definitely onto something with this idea of "filtering." As a musician who couldn't read or write music or who never studied it formally, Hendrix was essentially imitative and experimental. He obviously had a great ear and excellent execution. Where I feel I've had to stand my ground in this discussion is the idea, somehow, that the music he heard and began to play as a begining musician, those first live gigs at Spanish Castle, his entire youth, should be discounted somehow, but in three months in England he would absorb all the nuances of the post-war music scene there. The fact that Jimi was so imitative would indicate that all these disparate influences factored into his musicianship. The music and limited musical playing experiences of his youth was significant in how it steered Jimi towards the types of music he most enjoyed--rockNroll, blues, R&B. The "Chitlin' Circuit" taught him his craft. By the time Jimi got to London, he had the prerequisite skill set to QUICKLY integrate and filter his R&B/Soul/Blues styling by sitting in with the best players of UK Psychedelia. Again, what he learned was directly from the best guitarists in London's scene. And, absolutely, that was where R&B went into the stratosphere. Steve, do you know of any musicologist who has studied the stylistic differences between Jimi's playing in the Greenwich Village days just before he left for London in late 1966, and his playing on his two 1967 LPs: "Are You Experiences" and "Axis: Bold as Love"? Such an analysis would get at the heart of how significant the guitar playing of UK psychedelia was in elevating Jimi's guitar playing to the "stratospheric" level.
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permalink #110 of 154: Steven Roby (jimijames) Tue 20 Nov 07 14:58
permalink #110 of 154: Steven Roby (jimijames) Tue 20 Nov 07 14:58
>>Steve, do you know of any musicologist who has studied the stylistic differences between Jimi's playing in the Greenwich Village days just before he left for London in late 1966, and his playing on his two 1967 LPs: "Are You Experiences" and "Axis: Bold as Love I'd suggest Douglas J Noble. He is a music journalist, guitar instructor and musician based in Edinburgh, Scotland. His website is: http://www.djnoble.demon.co.uk/ There are four specific articles about Hendrix's style on his site. The only problem is we have no recorded music of Jimi's "Greenwich Village days" to compare it with. I've looked and asked all the right people too! The closest I've ever come is "Killin Floor" and "Hey Joe" from an October 1966 Paris concert/broadcast (found on the box set from 2000). Also, there's a version of "Hey Joe" by Spirit. When I interviewed Randy California he told me that this is the same style JJ and the Blue Flames played it at Cafe Wha?. From September (N.Y.) to October (Europe), it was the same Jimi, just a different back up band. I'm not so sure he learned much from the "best guitarists in London's scene," as they did from him. Personally, when Jimi crossed the Atlantic in 1966, I don't feel anything magical happened to his playing, he just found a more receptive audience with better resumes (Clapton, Townshend, Beck, etc.). It was still the same hard drivin' blues, with a tinge of R&B style, behind a rock beat that made him popular. I'm not discounting Seattle or the influences he picked up there, I just feel much of the credit should go to his father/mother for their love of music and dance, and keeping that radio/record player on most of the time. (As a kid, Jimi took it apart to see where the music was coming from.) We do know that Jimi kept his R&B stage schtick while performing in the Village. Guitarist Jeff Baxter said: It was just incredible to watch this guy play. They were playing lot of blues. Jimi played at the guitar, on the guitar, around the guitar. Its almost as if the instrument wasnt even there. There was so much on his mind, and there just happened to be a guitar. According to folk singer Ellen McIllwaine, there were times when he'd play a softer set in a Village club: "The picture I have in my head is I was sitting at the piano and Jimi was leaning over on the barstool. He was not the personality youd see with the John Hammond act, like squirting toothpaste into the audience and fooling around like that. Jimi didnt do any of that when we played together. He played very quietly and seriously. I always played boogie-woogie piano and a couple of ballads. It was kind of bluesy. If you take away all the psychedelic studio effects found "AYE" and "ABAL" you still have great albums. His style didn't change, he was just given the freedom and encouragement to explore his imagination. Acid may have helped too.
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permalink #111 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Tue 20 Nov 07 18:53
permalink #111 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Tue 20 Nov 07 18:53
Steve, do you know how Jimi first became interested in listening to Bob Dylan? At first blush it seems incongruous that Jimi would drawn to Dylan and his heavily folk-influenced sound. Dylan's music, with several notable exceptions, was so different from the R&B/Bluesy world Jimi was inhabiting prior to going to London in the mid-'60s. Yet, if ever there is an example of a rock cover song elevating the original into the stratosphere, "All Along the Watchtower" takes Dylan's folk ballad and commandeers it into the highest realms of psychedelic fusion.
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permalink #112 of 154: Steven Roby (jimijames) Tue 20 Nov 07 19:39
permalink #112 of 154: Steven Roby (jimijames) Tue 20 Nov 07 19:39
>>Chas Chandler In one his last interviews, Chas said, "When Jimi was playing in New York, I was half convinced to sign him up before I heard him play. We had a talk in a little restaurant before he played at the club. I remember thinking, this cats wild enough to upset more people than Jagger. He had a trio, but I felt the drummer was not good enough. He also had a brilliant guitarist a boy called Randy California who was only sixteen. By the time I heard him play Wild Thing and Like A Rolling Stone, I was certain. When he did a version of Hey Joe, a number I was planning to record as my first independent venture from the Animals with another artist that clinched it. As soon as I convinced Jimi that he could buy amplifiers in England he seemed to be under the impression we were all still using gas over here he was all for coming to London. >>Steve, do you know how Jimi first became interested in listening to Bob Dylan? Hendrix was a huge fan of Dylans music. While in Curtis Knight & The Squires, the civil rights themed song they recorded, How Would You Feel, not only sounds like Like a Rolling Stone, it reworks the Dylan line How does it feel. When Hendrix formed Jimi James and the Blue Flames, they started including Like a Rolling Stone into the set list, and this carried over to the Experience sets too. Unfortunately no definitive studio version of Hendrix performing the song has surfaced. Fay Pridgeon, Jimi's girlfriend at the time (65/66) said he was obsessive about Dylan, often grabbing her from another room to listen to the latest Dylan record - often so loud the entire neighborhood could hear it. Hendrix also covered at least three other Dylan tunes, both live and in the studio. These tracks include All Along the Watchtower, Drifter's Escape and Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window? In addition, Dylan's lyrical style had a profound influence on Jimi's original material. Hendrix songs such as My Friend, The Wind Cries Mary and Little Wing all show a distinct Dylan-esque approach. Hendrix had an effect on Dylan's music as well, as evidenced by the live version of All Along the Watchtower from Dylan's 1974 live album "Before the Flood." ### Those in the SF Bay Area can tune in this Friday (11/23) night at 10 pm to KPFA (Berkley - 94.1 FM or listen on the net at: http://www.kpfa.org/). I'll be a guest on "The history of funk & soul show" and will be bringing some of my rare Hendrix material to play. It's all part of annual birthday tribute the station does. I'm also hosting this event: On November 27, 2007 (Tuesday), Jimi Hendrix would have turned 65. In celebration of that milestone, Book Passage in Corte Madera (CA) will host a Jimi Hendrix Birthday Bash featuring an Air Guitar Contest, guitar giveaway, and live music by guitarist Ralph Woodson. The event starts at 7 pm. Call (415) 927-0960 for more info.
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permalink #113 of 154: Steven Roby (jimijames) Wed 21 Nov 07 11:21
permalink #113 of 154: Steven Roby (jimijames) Wed 21 Nov 07 11:21
To get a glimpse of Jimi on the cusp of leaving the R&B circuit behind, take a look at these photos of him backing, Wilson Pickett, Esther Phillips, and Percy Sledge at the Atlantic Records release party on May 5, 1966 at New York's Prelude Club. Jimi's in the house band, King Curtis and the Kingpins. The website is:http://pictopia.com/perl/gal?provider_id=33&name=Hendrix,%20Jimi Jimi's hair is slicked back, and it looks like he's playing a white Fender strat. The liner notes of the 2nd Percy Sledge LP "Warm And Tender Soul" (Atlantic SD 8132 released in 1966) have this to say: "Percy Sledge comes from a small Alabama town called Leighton. His first trip to the Big City came shortly after his first hit. We met him when Atlantic Records threw a "welcome" bash at the famed Prelude Supper Club on New York's upper Broadway. Percy was as dazzled by the bright lights as the critics and radio people were dazzled by his performance. As part of the "fun-and-games" that night, he and Esther Phillips sang a duet version of "When A Man Loves A Woman" while King Curtis and his band backed them up. Percy and Esther sang nineteen choruses of the song before they finally quit."
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permalink #114 of 154: Ed Ward (captward) Wed 21 Nov 07 12:23
permalink #114 of 154: Ed Ward (captward) Wed 21 Nov 07 12:23
You know, Vee-Jay just re-released Little Richard's Little Richard is Back album (at least on eMusic and maybe iTunes), and the last tune on the album is "I Don't Know What You've Got (But It's Got Me)," on which Hendrix is clearly audible. I wonder if he's on the rest of the album, too? Nobody's ever paid much attention to it because it's mostly re-recordings of Richard's hits. But Don Covay is mixed up with it, too.
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permalink #115 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 21 Nov 07 18:03
permalink #115 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 21 Nov 07 18:03
Steve, in "Black Gold" you reference several interviews underscoring Jimi's talk of dying young. The song "If 6 Were 9" referenced Jimi's readiness to die. How much do you think Jimi actually had such premonitions. Also, I think it's tempting for people, after the fact, to claim that Jimi had mentioned a death wish or suicide pact in the months before he died. What do you make of Jimi's own premonitions, if anything, and the substance, if any, to some of these postmortem interviews making similar claims?
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permalink #116 of 154: Steven Roby (jimijames) Wed 21 Nov 07 20:14
permalink #116 of 154: Steven Roby (jimijames) Wed 21 Nov 07 20:14
>>Jimi's talk of dying young... Well, there were certainly many references. He told "Rainbow Bridge" film director in July of 1970, "The next time I go home to Seattle will be in a pine box." He also told his friend Melinda Merryweather (art director for "Rainbow Bridge") as he left Maui that he wouldn't be here much longer, as she interpreted it - in this world. A few months later he told the press and another friend, basically the same thing, "I doubt I'll live to see 28." It all came true. Keith Altham, who interviewed Jimi a few days before died said, "I kind of felt that he was on some kind of suicide course for the previous year. And I wouldnt have been altogether surprised if I had heard about it prior to that. Brian Jones had gone. It was a similar kind of dissipation of a talent that Id seen before. The fact that Id done that interview with him forty eight hours before his death, and the kind of hope that he was expressing, and the aspirations that he was talking about, that shook me because I thought hes got it, hes got to get it back together again. It was incredibly sad to see somebody of that superb talent disappear. I mean he was the rocknroll electric guitarist of all time you know, and I doubt whether there will ever be anybody like that again. I dont think hed actually explored even his full potential yet. Eric Burden, who had jammed with Jimi a few nights before he died, agrees: "I could tell that he wasn't going to be around long. I really think that he tried to exit several times. It just didn't work out for him. I don't think that anybody could have helped him. I really think that he was involved in one of these psychological games stimulated by the drugs that were around at the time. And, short of somebody minding him day and night, I don't think that there was a way that he could have been safe, unfortunately. Were these premonitions Jimi was giving us clues? I guess it all depends who you talked to. Over the past thirty I've met and interviewed many people that knew Jimi quite well. Some feel he was murdered by his manager or even done in by the CIA/FBI because he was becoming too political and powerful. I've even heard the Mafia may have been involved. From the evidence I've seen Jimi was depressed at the time of his death, and who could blame him. He wanted out the contract that his manager held over his head. This was the same guy that had him kidnapped, and staged a rescue to look like he was the good guy. Jimi's best friend/bass player, Billy Cox, had a breakdown. After being spiked with acid, Billy had to leave the group. Jimi had no home to speak of. No love in his life; Monika Danneman claims they were to marry, but never had any proof. Then there were the lawsuits from a previous manager, and a paternity suit. In the 28 photos that were taken on the day he died, you can see his warm smile had gone and his face was puffy. I'm not Mr. Theory guy, I just feel on the night of his death Jimi was with a naive young lady that panicked when she saw he was choking. We will never the complete story of how or why he died since Monika committed suicide in 1996, just after losing a court case with one of Jimi's other girlfriends. At the time, I was covering the new investigation into Jimi's death for my fanzine. Monika was in total denial,and couldn't believe that someone was questioning her version of how Jimi died. Monika called my house a few days before she killed herself and left a message on my machine saying that she had something important to tell me. Unfortunately I was never able to reach her and found out what was so important; three days later she was found dead.
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permalink #117 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 21 Nov 07 22:30
permalink #117 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 21 Nov 07 22:30
<<Monika called my house a few days before she killed herself and left a message on my machine saying that she had something important to tell me. Unfortunately I was never able to reach her>> What a hollow feeling that must have been. I agree with what a couple people said in an earlier post that compared to Janis and Jim Morrison who were so overtly self-destructive with alcoholism/heroin and alcoholism respectively, there seemed to be an ambitiousness and zest of life (under his road-weary fatigue) that hinted of such a promising future for Hendrix. I've always been willing to accept the official account of his accidental death from wine/barbs and asphyxiation.
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permalink #118 of 154: Darrell Jonsson (jonsson) Thu 22 Nov 07 04:55
permalink #118 of 154: Darrell Jonsson (jonsson) Thu 22 Nov 07 04:55
I wonder about the self-destructive virus, for some its a passive and others an agressive trait that leads to risky behaviour and ingestions, and it always brings up the question of will over destiny. It seems a place like the Electric Lady Studios, friends and playmates on both sides of the pond, would of been enough positive magic to keep Hendrix on the upbeat, but sounds like there were more than a few things taking him down. BTW: http://www.univibes.com/BBKing_on_Jimi.html
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permalink #119 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 22 Nov 07 07:14
permalink #119 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 22 Nov 07 07:14
Steve, my favorite song of Hendrix that came out after he died was "Angel" from the fine Cry of Love album. Eva Sundqvist, the mother of his son in Sweden, claimed it was about her. I've also read where Jimi had worked on his arrangement for "Angel" quite extensively, so what we get is a fairly unpolishe version, by Jimi's standards. Also, didn't Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding or Billy Cox lay down their tracks for Angel after Jimi died? What else can you tell us about Jimi? Also, what other posthumous songs by Hendrix do you find most compelling?
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permalink #120 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 22 Nov 07 07:29
permalink #120 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 22 Nov 07 07:29
Steve, about 1980 I remember going to hear Randy Hanson, a white guy from suburban Seattle, imitate Jimi Hendrix. He had on an Afro wig and Jimi's stage get up, and did an amazing job recreating Jimi's sound on guitar. He managed to parlay his Hendrix act into quite a long career, didn't he? Were there or are there any other Hendrix imitation acts still out there? Also, we've talked about the influence of Jimi's guitar playing on the Grunge guitarists, and the group Living Color. Lenny Kravitz seems to have been strongly influenced by Hendrix. Stevie Ray Vaughan and Eric Clapton both did strong distinctive covers of Little Wing. There was a folk couple, where the guy plays an amazing acoustic version of Little Wing. Where do you note the imitation of the Hendrix style of guitar playing most strongly? Are there some other musicians that you can point to that were highly derivative of Jimi's sound? You stated that you think the guys in London, when he showed up in late '66, learned more from him than he did from them. Thirty-seven years after Jimi died, what would you say his greatest legacy is as a guitar player?
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permalink #121 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 22 Nov 07 08:17
permalink #121 of 154: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 22 Nov 07 08:17
<Anger he smiles, towering in shiny metallic purple armour Queen jealousy, envy waits behind him Her fiery green gown sneers at the grassy ground Blue are the life-giving waters taken for granted, They quietly understand Once happy turquoise armies lay opposite ready, But wonder why the fight is on But theyre all bold as love, yes, theyre all bold as love Yeah, theyre all bold as love Just ask the axis> So much has been written about Jimi Hendrix, the guitar phenomenon. Yet, comparatively little has been said about his abilities as a lyricist. When I listen to Band of Gypsys, the hard driving blues/soul influence creates a renewed vibrancy for Jimi. Yet, for me, those songs take Jimi back to his roots. The songs are lyrically less compelling. When we talk about what might have happened if Jimi had recorded with Miles Davis, etc. I imagine Hendrix expanding and refining his guitar presentation. Yet, when I think of Jimi Hendrix, the distinctive artist, his ascendence as an innovator of psychedelic rock comes in no small part from his lyrical sensibility. This is why I wonder if Hendrix would have ever had anywhere near the same impact on the more "non-verbal" world of Jazz as he did in the emerging world of hard rock. In "Black Gold" you use excerpts from Jimi's many regular letters to his father. These show him to be a solid writer (and loving son) with a fine ability to express himself on paper. You also said earlier that, until Chas Chandler encouraged Jimi to write lyrics, there is no record of him having done so. I think this, more significantly than imitating the guitar techniques of the London rock stars, is where Jimi came into his own in England. Chas Chandler, by encouraging Jimi to write and sing, is perhaps most responsible for rounding Hendrix out as a complete artist. Steve, do you know of any books that have focused extensively on Hendrix, the lyrical poet? Certainly, it's not hard to speculate that LSD played a key role in Jimi's predilection to write with strong color imagery, the Alice-In-Wonderland style of fantastical evocations. Like all strong creative writers, Jimi wrote with great sensory detail. He understood the power of aliteration (green gown/grassy gown). There is the influence of Sci-Fi themes and paranormal/extraterrestial overtones. He also loved phantasmagoric/medevial/romantic allusions. Most importantly, Jimi's great musical ear allowed him to meld and rhyme his imaginative imagery with melody. When we try to imagine Jimi living longer, I am as curious how he might have developed as a songwriter as I am about his potential guitar advances. There is talk of him studying at the Julliard School of Music (which I doubt would have happened, because of the money demands on him to keep touring/recording), but what might more years have produced in Jimi, the poet?
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Steven Roby, "Black Gold: The Lost Archives of Jimi Hendrix"
permalink #122 of 154: Ed Ward (captward) Thu 22 Nov 07 10:11
permalink #122 of 154: Ed Ward (captward) Thu 22 Nov 07 10:11
>>This is why I wonder if Hendrix would have ever had anywhere near the same impact on the more "non-verbal" world of Jazz as he did in the emerging world of hard rock. Good lord, all you have to do is wade through a decade of godawful jazz-fusion to appreciate the degree to which less-talented guitarists (whom I won't name for fear of goring someone's ox) tried bravely and failed utterly to do what Hendrix did effortlessly. My fantasy of his collaboration with Miles Davis would be Miles rasping "Hey, Hendrix, shut up and listen; don't play so much," as a way to start integrating him into one of those large post Bitches Brew bands he had. When Jimi finally figured out when to come in, it would have been something so powerful it would have put Miles on the line. Which is what Miles would have wanted, of course. By that point, he didn't have sidemen; he had co-conspirators. But there were so many people reaching for new territories then that I think some magnificent stuff would have come out of it.
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Steven Roby, "Black Gold: The Lost Archives of Jimi Hendrix"
permalink #123 of 154: "The Best for Your Health!" (rik) Thu 22 Nov 07 10:26
permalink #123 of 154: "The Best for Your Health!" (rik) Thu 22 Nov 07 10:26
"By that point, he didn't have sidemen; he had co-conspirators." Wow. You're right. Look, everybody has down periods. And it must truly suck to feel that everybody else has plans for you that don't include yours. But wanting out of your contract, wanting out of an act that's beginning to bore you, and wishing you'd made better choices in you love life can make for a bad patch. But they don't necessarily mean you want out of life. TMOT. Sometimes an overdose is just an overdose.
inkwell.vue.312
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Steven Roby, "Black Gold: The Lost Archives of Jimi Hendrix"
permalink #124 of 154: Ed Ward (captward) Thu 22 Nov 07 11:31
permalink #124 of 154: Ed Ward (captward) Thu 22 Nov 07 11:31
And it wasn't even an overdose. He choked to death on his vomit. Probably lying in a bad position, had too much to drink, the sedative made him logy, whoops...
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Steven Roby, "Black Gold: The Lost Archives of Jimi Hendrix"
permalink #125 of 154: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Thu 22 Nov 07 11:32
permalink #125 of 154: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Thu 22 Nov 07 11:32
Tommy Dorsey went the same way, as I've mentioned over in g music.
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