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If you type: bio dvdgwalley you get David's email address.
In #250, the words (Euphrates watershed) should have been inserted after "Turkey"
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permalink #254 of 351: Fat Girl Who Got Straight A's (satirefreak) Fri 16 Apr 99 14:20
permalink #254 of 351: Fat Girl Who Got Straight A's (satirefreak) Fri 16 Apr 99 14:20
But I make one helluva margarita and my soul is pure. Jeez.
my e-mail address is: dgwalley@bcn.net as for the flamewar verterans, I wear asbestos underwear or is it sharewear, have to ask my wife. thanks so much for filling tht hole in my educaiton vis-a-vis the Kurdish nation. I think you<peter, would make one hell of a commentator. I mean why the hell do we have to put up with Jeff Greenfield and crew from CNN when there's more than aeuquate brains right here on the Well?
where?
For whatever it matters, the recent events in Colorado make it doubly important that Teenage Nervous Breakdowngets a wider audience. And for those who want to buy the book, there's an essay called "Play School" which sums up the whole high school experience. curiouser and curiouser---
Geez. I'm sure you're not the only person who's doing it, but using that tragedy to springboard publicity for your book seems pretty tasteless.
This is a surprise to you? Come on. He's got to try to get some extra sales somehow. He certainly won't by impressing us with the conciseness, brevity and clarity of his writing.
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permalink #260 of 351: Mud Love Buddy, Feelin' Groovy... as long as you've got your health! (almanac) Thu 22 Apr 99 14:38
permalink #260 of 351: Mud Love Buddy, Feelin' Groovy... as long as you've got your health! (almanac) Thu 22 Apr 99 14:38
And while we're at it, let's pause, reflect... and think about replacing that unsightly old black trenchcoat with a brand-new London Fog! Geez...
very impressive.
Okay, let's call off the dawgs. I never outed myself before, I think, but I'm a former psychotherapist who had lots of adolescents among my clients. ANY effort, thought, movement, donation, or whatever is a step in the right direction. Let's not slam our own for a try. This society needs to realize that the combo of orgasmic adoration of violence plus ease (if not heavy-breathing encouragement) of gun ownership spells INJURY AND DEATH. We can all play innocent, but the facts are what they are. Charlton Heston can come do adolescent therapy for a few days and then claim he knows what the hell he's talking about. THAT IS ALL.
Heston working with teens. He'd have to be stuck with his committment, not just there for a photo op. Pity that could never be.
As I said, <riffraff>, TNB is trying to make a point. I'm certainly not using the recent Colorado shoot-out to flog my book, I was merely pointing out that there is a certain resonance to all of this which TNB had laid out. I think Gail understands exactly what I was talking about and I'm sure that <satirefreak> wold gfeel the same way when the book is perused. One of the things which strikes me aobut the coerage of this event is the very geneeric nature of the new stories, rearrange the names, move the locale, and here's a generic new s story about teenagers, guns and violence, and how no one knows nuthin' about what goes on in side theminds of teenagers. I think the reason why there's such a too-do about all of this is that the reporters always foreget how sshitty the high school expereince was, so much so that they re-create it when they get out, and that status games, identiy politics all play a part. I mean, haven't we all thought what it would have been like to sleep through adolescen ce and wake up onthe other end. Being a teenager sucks, being in high school sucks even more, but more to the point of TNB, being in high school eternally is the American curse. That's what I am trying to probe in TNB.
Well, your concern is obvious, but your timing was a bit crass. I've been privately muttering "why can't kids just write morbid poetry and take drugs like me and my pals did?" but it's not amusing or appropriate yet. There's an innate timing around tragedy. Which I've now fallen over. Eeeeew.
This is well said: "being in high school eternally is the American curse"
For christ's sake! something like 10,000 times as many people have been killed in Kossovo over the last three weeks, largely becasue the American government is terrified of even one of its volunteer soldiers being killed. As tragedies go, the high school thing just doesn't regiter. It is just another example of of the extremely weird attitude of respectable American opinion towards violence and guns. Yes, it was horrible. But it seems to me perfectly obvious that this is going to happen every two years or so for as long as America lasts. If you have liberal gun laws and the glamourisation of violence as the answer in every form of popular entertainment, teenagers are going to do this and go on doing it. You should just write it off as something like car crashes.
As I said, <riffraff>, TNB is trying to make a point. I'm certainly not using the recent Colorado shoot-out to flog my book, Just a damn good impression of someone trying to then? Sorry. Don't buy it for a sec.
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permalink #269 of 351: These problems, too, will graduate (wendyg) Fri 23 Apr 99 13:32
permalink #269 of 351: These problems, too, will graduate (wendyg) Fri 23 Apr 99 13:32
<andrewb>, it's equally true that no one would have been shocked had it been an inner-city school populated by poor, non-white kids. I am apparently one of the only two people I know who doesn't understand what we're doing in Kosovo except making things much worse than they were. wg
#264: "The recent events in Colorado make it doubly important that TNB gets a wider audience. And for those who want to buy the book..." If you're not trying to flog it, you might think about how you phrase some things, then.
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permalink #271 of 351: Is it ever too late? (satirefreak) Fri 23 Apr 99 14:44
permalink #271 of 351: Is it ever too late? (satirefreak) Fri 23 Apr 99 14:44
One of the reasons I quit being an adolescent therapist is that I started to feel like most of my clients were so far gone they couldn't have spotted the point of no return with binoculars. That, and the fact that - as cool as I like to think I am - they got one look at my 30something self in professional clothing and phoned it in from the get go. All these politicians railing about throwing boatloads of therapists into the high schools oughta try being one sometime. Maybe the elementary school would be a better idea, as well as empowering Child Protection agencies to actually DO anything, ever, in cases of clearcut abuse. There's TREMENDOUS resistance to that, where I live. I'm with you, Gail - why couldn't these kids have written bad poetry, drunk Milwaukee's Best in the woods, and trashtalked the "popular" kids with their group of fellow alleged outcasts, like the rest of us did? And, you know, MY definition of "outcast" does not include being part of any "mafia" at all. They had their group, they just also had their scary sense of entitlement.
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permalink #272 of 351: Too late with guns? (satirefreak) Fri 23 Apr 99 15:09
permalink #272 of 351: Too late with guns? (satirefreak) Fri 23 Apr 99 15:09
Andrew, your point about Americans and guns is well taken. It is appalling and obscene that our culture lionizes guns, and the right of every unbalanced member of society to have a home arsenal. I'm still waiting to hear how this creepy duo (or more) GOT the semi-automatic weapons they had. That said, I must point out that their explosives were projects they created themselves, allegedly from eerily accurate Internet sites. And when people start talking about Internet censorship, I get nervous. This is a problem. Finally, I would say that most of my friends and family agree with my gun stance, and vehemently oppose them. However, I have two friends with concealed weapon permits who are otherwise politically "good" and very intelligent (one a Yale-educated lawyer, one a Berkeley PhD). They both have been victims of violent crimes, and swear they'll be able to fight back next time. Violence perpetuates violence, and most people like me would fight harder for tougher gun laws if we thought they'd have an ice cube's chance in Hell of passing. They don't.
sorry to be so "crass" but originally, maybe a month ago we were talking about what TNB was about. But no matter, this is far, far more interesting. One could be craser still and say that everyone knows that high school sucks, and that if one could be freeze-dried or fresh frozen at 14 and wake up at 19, things would be different. Sure I wish that kids could go that old route of drinking black coffee, smoking luckies, reading beat poetry and disparaging the preps, jocks and cheerleaders ("I'm losing status in the high school, I used to thik it was my school," quoth forever Frank Zappa). The news converage is generic. If I had a journalism course, I'd give them an incident like this and they'd could write the stories without even going there. The young men responsible are "good kids" or "lost kids"---it's all like that song in West Side Story named "Officer Krupkie"---"The trouble is crazy, the trouble is he drinks, the trouble is he's crazy, the trouble is he stinks, the trouble is he's growing, the trouble is he's grown, Krupkie we've got troubles of our own." The news media is only writing about the mirror they've made and reported. We are all excised because as much as we'd probably like to do this in fantasy, we know the different between fantasy and reality. It's more apparant that some kids are encouraged today NOT to know the difference, or better, not to care about the difference. It's certainly obvious to me that these kids are post-literate, because if they read, they'd have found literature which would speak to them like Steppenwolf or, god help us, Catcher in the Rye. But's it's a post-literate and that's what we're stuck with: post- literate crime, teenagers in game/chat rooms, almost sounds like a story in the national Enquirer, doesn't it?
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permalink #274 of 351: Carol Brightman (brightman) Fri 23 Apr 99 20:25
permalink #274 of 351: Carol Brightman (brightman) Fri 23 Apr 99 20:25
Yeah, but I want to jump back and add my vote to wendyg about Kosovo. I feel the same way, especially on the Media discussion (#1679: check it out) which reads like war gaming but is full of illuminating urls. Still it's the most interesting discussion going on--at least for me stuck out here in the Maine woods. Whoever said earlier that the Colorado shootout--hideous as it is--is filling the screens that would in some other world be filled with the grand mal shootout under US/NATO auspices.
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permalink #275 of 351: Carol Brightman (brightman) Fri 23 Apr 99 20:28
permalink #275 of 351: Carol Brightman (brightman) Fri 23 Apr 99 20:28
to finish the thought...whoever said that (andrew b??) I agree there too.
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