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permalink #76 of 179: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sat 9 Jan 16 05:15
permalink #76 of 179: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sat 9 Jan 16 05:15
Any responses or comments re: the new Silk Road China is developing with India and Malaysia? And where do think they fit in with the BRICI's now, or even better is the BRICI's even a working model any more?
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permalink #77 of 179: Never were the way she was (jet) Sat 9 Jan 16 09:47
permalink #77 of 179: Never were the way she was (jet) Sat 9 Jan 16 09:47
If that profit is actually being reinvested in Chinese businesses and doing something about the pollution, that's great. What I see from the states is how awful/dangerous Chinese factories are for workers and commentary on the state of air pollution in China and the lack of pollution control. I try to read non-US media when possible, and it's easy to find coverage about the toxic waste problem in China: <http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/the-world-s-toxic-waste-dump-choki ng-on-chemicals-in-china-a-387392.html> I live in Pittsburgh where we're still dealing with the amount of pollution generated by the steel business, an industry that collapsed decades ago. When steel production went to other countries, the local factories shut down and left pollution and buildings for someone else to clean up. (There are similar problems with EPA superfund sites in the bay area, but that's no longer my backyard.) Some of the land we have is unsafe for residential use and has been "brownscaped" into industrial parks, other areas still have dangerous levels of pollutants like benzene. Looking for housing in this area also means learning about "Mine Subsidence Insurance", sink holes, and learning if there are old coal mines under your house. Our house is over old Duquesne coal mines, Duquesne is still in business as a power company and not responsible if a sink hole caused by an abandoned coal mine sucks in our house.
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permalink #78 of 179: Tim Dedopulos (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 13:47
permalink #78 of 179: Tim Dedopulos (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 13:47
Via email from Tim Dedopulos Is there anything that we -- the global populace -- can do to head off further climate damage? Specifically, let's assume for argument's sake that corporate and political will to mitigate emissions won't arrive, no matter who we vote for or protest against, and that science won't provide a sudden fix. If we all pulled together, could we halt the damage? Or are we entirely at the mercy of the big guys?
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permalink #79 of 179: George McKee (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 13:48
permalink #79 of 179: George McKee (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 13:48
Via email from George McKee: Here are some thoughts for Bruce & Jon. I can't keep my own views on these topics from leaking thru, but I'd like to hear what you think about them. 0. Thanks for continuing this always enlightening and entertaining series of discussions. 1. The internet of misdesigned, broken, orphaned, and subverted things. I worked in the cybersecurity field, so maybe these downsides are more visible to me than others. In general, the explosive growth of the twentieth century seems to be slowing down. Moore's Law is showing visible strain. "Software engineering" has been abandoned in favor of rapid development. Software isn't warrantied to work correctly because there's no statement of what "working correctly" means. I try to have a pretty low-tech house because the high-tech components never work together that well. At a larger scale, both developed and developing countries having trouble sustaining growth, and except for a few bright spots, when growth occurs, it's mostly financial systems feeding on themselves. Is there a point of of maximum sustainable complexity for human civilizations? How near are we to it? 2. Dead media beat: What media had death certificates issued for them last year? Does "the death of long form journalism" count? 3. On the good news sci-fi frontier, I can't get over the sight of rockets backing down to a landing pad and not tipping over or blowing up. Is there anything beyond joyriding and orbital launches here? I can't help but wonder if Jeff Bezos has a secret vision for Blue Origin and Amazon of "rocket freight" that is more than logos on trucks. 4. Biotechnology: CRISPR/CAS9 technology means that every genetic disease is potentially curable. Will regulatory bureaucracies and healthcare payment systems be able to adapt? Climate change and habitat loss in general are causing extinctions faster than evolution can generate replacements, even with human-assisted selective breeding and reintroductions. Will eco-engineering with GMO's become a counterpart to geoengineering? Or is that too much to ask?
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permalink #80 of 179: Brian Slesinsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 13:49
permalink #80 of 179: Brian Slesinsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 13:49
Via email from Brian Slesinsky: Speaking of China, here are a couple of stories I thought were interesting: Chinas makeshift hoverboard industry is imploding after Amazons safety crackdown http://qz.com/582542/chinas-makeshift-hoverboard-industry-is-imploding-after-a mazons-safety-crackdown/ Who's investigating fake Chinese goods? Fake investigators http://bigstory.ap.org/article/99d87da875bc4d58af24d387a7653ba5/whos-investiga ting-fake-chinese-goods-fake-investigators Seems like a common industry structure these days is a corporation lightly regulating goods and services provided by lots of small suppliers. You can't set up an app store or a social network or an online marketplace or a taxi service without thinking about how to search it, rate it, and police it, either in advance or after customers get scared. But not too much regulation because it cuts into profit margins.
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permalink #81 of 179: George Mokray (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 14:41
permalink #81 of 179: George Mokray (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 14:41
Via email from George Mokray: Oddly enough, I have found myself optimistic for the first time in a long time about climate change and about energy. The reasons for this optimism are geotherapy (https://www.crcpress.com/Geotherapy-Innovative-Methods-of-Soil-Fertility-Resto ration-Carbon-Sequestration/Goreau-Larson-Campe/9781466595392), zero net energy building standards, and the rise of microgrids (Solar IS Civil Defense). Geotherapy is the idea that we can use existing ecological systems to repair the damage we've done to the environment, that we can even optimize such systems to make that repair happen much more quickly than we have previously imagined. Rattan Lal, the eminent soil scientist, has stated publicly that using existing geotherapeutic agricultural and forestry techniques for atmospheric carbon sequestration into soil we may be able to reduce carbon from 400+ ppm to 270 ppm, pre-industrial levels, within two decades. And it will improve soil fertility and tilth at the same time. California, the EU, and Cambridge, MA are phasing in zero net energy building standards starting from around 2017 with full adoption by 2030. We now know how to build even low and moderate income single family housing all the way up to luxury skyscrapers which produce all the energy they consume and can do this affordably. Since the built environment now absorbs 30-40% of all energy we produce, this will make a seismic shift in the grid and our energy systems. In the wake of Hurricane Sandy, the idea of microgrids and specifically islanding microgrids are coming on strong. NY, CT, MA, CA, and other states are building microgrids and developing standards for microgrids which can contribute as part of the grid and operate on their own when the grid goes down, safely and securely. With the rapid growth of grid-scale storage, through batteries and other technologies like pumped hydro, heat and cool, as well as compressed air and hydrogen production, the possibility of a decentralized and distributed grid is becoming more and more feasible. Since I live halfway between Harvard and MIT and publish a weekly that looks at the Energy (and Other) Events there and in the community (http://hubevents.blogspot.com), I know that neither geotherapy nor zero net energy building standards are part of the policy or science discussions that are now going on in the academic community. When I go to events on energy, envrionment, and climate change, I make sure to bring them up but my voice is almost always the only one raising these issues. On the other hand, my political antennae over the last few months keep reminding me that it feels more and more like the times just before WWI. We are almost certainly heading for a reshuffling of world political and military power as stochastic lone wolves and global guerrillas from all over the world and the political map ramp up terroristic violence and global instability. As for practical ideas, I like the answer Lech Walesa is said to have given to the question how Solidarity started. Walesa supposedly said, "Solidarity started by speaking loud at the bus stops." That may be apocryphal but Walesa did plaster his car with the original Polish Constitution and drive it throughout Gdansk to spark conversations about freedom. Speak up, organize, and find ways to prepare yourself and your loved ones for the next shock whatever it may be.
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permalink #82 of 179: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 15:22
permalink #82 of 179: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 15:22
I couldn't say it better than that last sentence, George. Thanks for the post. In addition to microgrids, I'm finding small nuclear reactors interesting as part of the energy future (possibly or probably linked to microgrids). http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/nuclear-fuel-cycle/power-reactors/small-nucl ear-power-reactors/
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permalink #83 of 179: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 15:40
permalink #83 of 179: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 15:40
Tim Dedopulos asked what we (citizens, ordinary people) can do to mitigate climate change damage. The New York Times posted some guidelines recently: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/03/upshot/what-you-can-do-about-cli mate-change.html?_r=0, but it was a typical listicle. It's hard to make the dramatic changes we really should be considering. If giving up your private car became a thing, that might help, but it won't be enough. It has to be a societal change, an industrial-strength change, a rejiggering of our thinking at all levels of endeavor. The actions we should be taking have economic consequences that some - many - many who are powerful - find unthinkable. The force of that resistance is a swift current, swimming against it isn't that productive. It'll wear you out, you'll have your own personal extinction event. On my worst days, I'm certain we're not going to fix the problem in time, but then I think how much innovation there's been in the last century, how many wicked problems we've solved or made better, and I"m hopeful.
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permalink #84 of 179: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 16:09
permalink #84 of 179: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 16 16:09
Good science friction post from George McKee, here's a few hasty responses... "Is there a point of of maximum sustainable complexity for human civilizations? How near are we to it?" That's a good "accelerating change" question, or maybe a case of stating (asking) the obvious. We'll know when we've exceeded the "maximum sustainable," but can we know when we're approaching it? Computers facilitate complexity and allow us to manage it to some extent, but they're as imperfect as their designers, and we all know the GIGO rule. But I'm more worried about sustainable climate than sustainable complexity. "Dead media beat" is a Bruce thing, but I'll say that I don't think long form journalism is dead, though it's clearly harder to sustain (that word again). I think short form, short attention web writing is so visible, and the business model for journalism so tenuous, that it's tempting to think those longer pieces aren't being written. But I find more of them than I can possibly read, if only in the New Yorker. Journalists still want to write them, and they still have an audience. "Rockets backing down" - is what those of us raised on the space-opera sci-fi of the 50s expected to see all along, and it was gratifying to see... as it's been gratifying to see the privatization and industrialization of space, and renewed interest in space travel. I'm thinking there's a future but it'll be a long time coming. Might be a hedge against extinction, actually. It's not clear that we can survive long in space, or that we can truly colonize planets, but it's a new frontier, and inevitable that we'll make the effort. "Clustered regularly-interspaced short palindromic repeats (CRISPR)" - genetic manipulation is happening, GMOs aren't going away, but we really should worry. Garage biotech is exciting scary shit. It could be that fear will trump science (interesting that I used the word "trump" there), and genetic innovation will stop cold, regulated away by legislators who see science as a left-wing conspiracy.
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permalink #85 of 179: Julie Sherman (julieswn) Sat 9 Jan 16 20:17
permalink #85 of 179: Julie Sherman (julieswn) Sat 9 Jan 16 20:17
From James Ford: Really enjoying the conversation. I know it is a few years old, but I recently finished David Graeber's Debt: The First 5,000 Years. I was wondering if you have any thoughts on his calls for imagining what a post-capitalist society looks like? What system of government and economy (if any) can support a world of 9 billion people living with at least the potential for them or their children to be successful (yes, there may be some sweat shop to Internet IPO stories but some people also win powerball...)? Is debt forgiveness ever possible (yes I know the GOP recently made it impossible for the IMF to bail out countries as part of a deal to re-authorize the fund - but maybe best case scenarios)? Do you agree with Charlie Stross (http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2016/01/long-range-forecast.html) that it is an angry white men problem? Do you agree this is related to the breakdown in capitalism's promise of steady growth forever? Can you imagine any system that provides for the elderly if we are not in a world of unlimited future growth? What kind of economy/government if 401(k)s and pension funds can't grow to meet the needs of the people? What will soon happen in Japan as the elderly withdraw their savings from Japanes government debt (and also other western countries as they also age)?
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permalink #86 of 179: Julie Sherman (julieswn) Sat 9 Jan 16 20:18
permalink #86 of 179: Julie Sherman (julieswn) Sat 9 Jan 16 20:18
Via email from William Cunningham: I look forward to these discussions every year! Jon, you say "On my worst days, I'm certain we're not going to fix the problem in time, but then I think how much innovation there's been in the last century, how many wicked problems we've solved or made better, and I'm hopeful." I don't think we are going to fix the problem, I think if we are lucky the problem will fix us. The change in climate could be an extinction event maybe but I think it is more likely it will simply be ruinous. Political upheaval caused by massive population dislocation will wreck the global system of trade and it will simply no longer be possible to operate the global carbon consumption machine at anything like current rates. It will be devastating on the individual level as standard opf living and wealth are destroyed, but people will still be around and a smaller scale nation states will probably continue. Or political upheaval caused by massive population dislocation will force more effective global resource distribution and management, and the carbon machine will wind down as alternatives replace it and lifestyle adaptations occur to permit a still globally connected population to live within the new climate regime the planet will impose on us. Either way, any way I can actually reasonably see it, we've got p[olitical upheaval caused by massive population dislocation coming. As Bill Gates might say, we are running that experiment. When you hear things like "fix the problem" with relation to the climate, what in your minds is the actual problem, and what would a fix even look like?
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permalink #87 of 179: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sat 9 Jan 16 21:50
permalink #87 of 179: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sat 9 Jan 16 21:50
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permalink #88 of 179: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sat 9 Jan 16 21:53
permalink #88 of 179: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sat 9 Jan 16 21:53
Julie, have you read The Wealth of the Commons : http://www.amazon.com/Wealth-Commons-World-Beyond-Market/dp/1937146146
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permalink #89 of 179: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 16 04:38
permalink #89 of 179: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 16 04:38
*I forgot that the final English-language title of Captain Berezin's story was "Panama Cataclysm" rather than "Panama Apocalypse." *I am now personally distributing "Cataclysm" to various interested parties watching this discussion, so try not to get arrested or anything.
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permalink #90 of 179: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 16 04:56
permalink #90 of 179: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 16 04:56
http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/indepth/2016/1/9/hizballah-supporters-taunt-s tarving-madaya-residents-with-food-pictures *From "Twitter Revolution" to "Twitter Starvation Siege" with Twitter trolls taunting the starving with jpegs of tasty food. This is in a few short years. And what next. *It's really hard to get any more 2016 than this. It's strange to realize that we're reached a state of technological development where civilians can starve to death with Twitter access. I'm thinking this psychological warfare atrocity has rather little to do with the actual people in Madaya and much more to do with activist groups on Twitter, thousands of kilometers away, trying to break each other's morale with hashtag trolling. *Basically this activity is the usual taunting "cry me a handful of tears, social justice warrior," carried to the nth degree. Still, you really have to wonder at the corrosive effect on civil society from this kind of demoralizing electronic distance from the facts on the ground. *There must be at least a few locals who actually see this wicked stuff. Presumably their power-lines are cut Ukraine-style and I doubt they've got any fiber-optic left, but they must have mobiles, cell antennae, generators, even solar panels. Yeah, in 2016, you can participate in Internet Counterrevolution from the middle of a killing field. "Live from Srebrenica."
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permalink #91 of 179: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 16 06:46
permalink #91 of 179: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 16 06:46
https://www.flickr.com/photos/brucesterling/23583039014/ *Wily Serbs labeling the Belgrade bus station in Arabic so as to get Syrians out of the Balkans and into the EU as quickly as possible.
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permalink #92 of 179: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 16 06:56
permalink #92 of 179: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 16 06:56
"When you hear things like 'fix the problem' with relation to the climate, what in your minds is the actual problem, and what would a fix even look like?" To me, the problem is preventable human extinction, a terminal Anthropocene. Extinction at some point is probable, unless we can escape the expansion and ultimate death of the sun a few billion years from now. The universe of stars and planets might itself have an expiration date, in which case we extinction will be ... ultimately universal. A quiet death after eighty or ninety years of life is a blessing, but suicide at a relatively early age is tragic. Similarly, preventable extinction of the species brought on by its own willful action and ignorance is a tragedy at massive scale. Early action could have reduced the impact of climate change; I suspect we're too far along now to do more than adapt. That reactionary politics and overriding greed prevented us from taking action two decades ago is tragic. That we're committed, as a species, to self-destructive behavior, is tragic. A fix would have been timely coordinated human action to control emissions. A fix now might be action and innovation to control emissions as best we can, but also to adapt to potentially catastrophic climate changes that now seem inevitable. Many of us promoted a culture of sustainability for years to no avail, but sustainability thinking is still churning along, and that culture may still emerge, especially as the results of our actions and inactions become more evident. A sequence of catastrophes could be sobering.
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permalink #93 of 179: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 16 07:03
permalink #93 of 179: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 16 07:03
These people in Kyrgyzstan know how to deal with tragedy... go shopping and flash opera: https://globalvoices.org/2016/01/09/kyrgyzstan-staged-its-first-opera-flash-mo b-in-a-bishkek-supermarket-it-was-magical/
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permalink #94 of 179: R.U. Sirius (rusirius) Sun 10 Jan 16 13:25
permalink #94 of 179: R.U. Sirius (rusirius) Sun 10 Jan 16 13:25
Theres a narrative thats popular particularly among economic conservatives, but also among mainstream politicos in general, that contrary to popular sentiments, things are going pretty great because the poorest of the worlds poor people are doing better there has been a global reduction in poverty. They point to UN statistical reports and so forth. Were supposed to conclude that neoliberal globalized markets are pretty awesome. I wonder if Bruce has explored this arguments and what his thoughts are about them.
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permalink #95 of 179: Never were the way she was (jet) Sun 10 Jan 16 16:58
permalink #95 of 179: Never were the way she was (jet) Sun 10 Jan 16 16:58
> A quiet death after eighty or ninety years of life is a blessing, but > suicide at a relatively early age is tragic. Is it suicide if you don't know what's killing you? I'm thinking of the problems the Romans had with lead (ex <http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/wine/leadpoisoning.ht ml>) and the possible link between leaded gasoline and violent crime in the 20th century <http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasoline>. Not to say that global warming *isn't* a problem, but is it the most likely method of suicide by the human race or just the easiest one to point out?
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permalink #96 of 179: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 11 Jan 16 02:22
permalink #96 of 179: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 11 Jan 16 02:22
http://www.wired.com/?p=1958250 *Why doesn't some rich ex-punk in San Francisco give V. Vale $20K and get it over with? I'm one of the only financial supporters of this legendary voice of Bay Area Bohemia, which is visibly dwindling away, just like Kerouac drowning his sorrows, as posh Googlers climb the Special Bus with their pants pockets bursting with cash! Why am I, some Texo-Serbian-Italian gypsy scholar, pay-palling this faithfully every goddamn year just so I can watch his own town methodically prune his scene to pieces? It seems absurd.
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permalink #97 of 179: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 11 Jan 16 05:05
permalink #97 of 179: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 11 Jan 16 05:05
That link doesn't seem to work, is this the right one? http://www.wired.com/beyond-the-beyond/2016/01/v-vales-research-newsletter-146 /
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permalink #98 of 179: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 11 Jan 16 07:05
permalink #98 of 179: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 11 Jan 16 07:05
*It embarrasses me I should ever trust Conde Nast's wonky bot link-shorteners, as opposed to the time-honored human skills of Jon Lebkowsky.
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permalink #99 of 179: Julie Sherman (julieswn) Mon 11 Jan 16 13:33
permalink #99 of 179: Julie Sherman (julieswn) Mon 11 Jan 16 13:33
From Grant Henninger, via email: On the topic of "rockets backing down to a landing pad," there is something that has been bothering me with the whole commercial space endeavor. What can be produced in space that requires humans, that can be sold on Earth? Even with less expensive spaceflight, I'm unsure how it leads to a human-centric economy in cislunar space. Without at least a plausible promise for the development of a space-based economy, how do we become a multi-planetary species able to survive the almost inevitable collapse of our home ecosystem? (i.e. How do we achieve Elon's dream without relying upon the billionaires to throw their money away?)
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permalink #100 of 179: (fom) Mon 11 Jan 16 21:06
permalink #100 of 179: (fom) Mon 11 Jan 16 21:06
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