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permalink #26 of 111: Elizabeth Churchill (leroyleroy) Wed 20 Jan 16 17:51
permalink #26 of 111: Elizabeth Churchill (leroyleroy) Wed 20 Jan 16 17:51
I am of a slightly older generation, and what I'm seeing now among many of my women friends is an increase in what I think of as quiet drinking. Nobody has the energy or inclination to go out partying or clubbing, everybody's way too tired and stressed and over-extended, so they drink quietly at home: a socially acceptable glass of wine (or 2) while cooking dinner, another perfectly respectable glass (or 3) with dinner, then a nightcap (maybe with several refills) while Netflixing. Not really DRINKING drinking, you know, just a little something to help them unwind at the end of the day, relax, and maybe even be able to fall asleep for a change. But by the end of the week the recycling bin is an embarrassing overflow of empty bottles. Is this an increasing trend among middle-aged women, or I have just not been aware of it in the past?
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permalink #27 of 111: Sarah Hepola (shepola) Thu 21 Jan 16 05:31
permalink #27 of 111: Sarah Hepola (shepola) Thu 21 Jan 16 05:31
Its a trend. There have been two recent nonfiction books that hit on this quiet late-in-life drinking: Gabrielle Glaser, who wrote Her Best-Kept Secret, and Ann Dowsett Johnson, who wrote Drink. Both are middle-aged journalists who point out the way female drinking has grown alongside the wine industry, which simply exploded in the past 30 years. In England, empty-nest female drinkers are actually out-drinking young ones - in part, thats because of increasing diversity in a younger population, some of whom dont drink for religious reasons. I have a line in my book: Alcohol is a loneliness drug. I was referring to myself as a teenager, but it fits any age. Many of us are tweaked by a quiet, aching loneliness. Technology connects us, but keeps us physically isolated. Wine with its air of sophistication provides a warmth and comfort for many older women who struggle to face a home with no noise in it (or too much noise: drinking is certainly a go-to for young mothers). Wine is an excellent companion. But this creates a fair bit of gray-zone drinking, where two glasses bleed into four, or six, and its not exactly a PROBLEM but its a problem. Theres a good portrayal of this in The Kids Are All Right, the 2010 movie where Annette Bening plays a successful physician who dips into that wine bottle as soon as she gets home, and just keeps dipping, and dipping, and the tipsier she gets, the more the air around her changes. A lot of my book takes place at bars and parties, but I spent many, many nights with my bottle of red wine and my reality TV. When we think about women drinking, we often picture the 20-something with her fruity cocktail, in a sparkly dress and high heels, but an accurate portrait would have to include this domestic image of women, alone, quietly sipping away their evenings.
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permalink #28 of 111: Tom Howard (tom) Thu 21 Jan 16 08:04
permalink #28 of 111: Tom Howard (tom) Thu 21 Jan 16 08:04
My neighborhood FedEx guy and I were chatting one day. He tells me apropos of godknowswhat about how Americans really have a drinking problem (he's Serbian). He is apparently making tons of deliveries of wine (etc? what else are you allowed to buy online?). I have a friend who lives in a high rise. He knows which neighbor (a woman) is leaving case after case of twelve packs of beer in their stairwell for trash/recycling. I'm sure quibbling can be done, but I'm pretty sure you can take it to the bank that 10% of the population are alcoholics. I do know that Alcoholics Anonymous works for people, but I believe it's a small number and a small percentage of the people who apparently "need" it. Do you, Sarah, and others think that the general popularization (teevee and movies, e.g.) of AA has helped?
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permalink #29 of 111: Peter Meuleners (pjm) Thu 21 Jan 16 09:28
permalink #29 of 111: Peter Meuleners (pjm) Thu 21 Jan 16 09:28
Following this discussion with great interest (I'm 26 years sober).
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permalink #30 of 111: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 21 Jan 16 09:29
permalink #30 of 111: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 21 Jan 16 09:29
Me too (37 years sober)
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permalink #31 of 111: behind on BADGES! (obizuth) Thu 21 Jan 16 09:43
permalink #31 of 111: behind on BADGES! (obizuth) Thu 21 Jan 16 09:43
rock on, peter and renshin. xo
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permalink #32 of 111: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 21 Jan 16 09:46
permalink #32 of 111: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 21 Jan 16 09:46
It's when we get sober that the rocking really begins!
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permalink #33 of 111: Sarah Hepola (shepola) Thu 21 Jan 16 11:01
permalink #33 of 111: Sarah Hepola (shepola) Thu 21 Jan 16 11:01
You ask an important, but complicated, question, Tom. AA worked for me, and from where I stand, the number of people who have been helped by the program is not small at all. But Im open to the idea that weve been too narrow in our approach to treating drinking problems. AA was founded in the 1930s as a last resort, for hard-core drinkers who had tried everything. The programs success was such that it is now often presented as a *first* resort. Are we missing the development of a few intermediary programs, to track alongside a culture that has learned to identify drinking problems much earlier (thanks in large part to the proliferation of AA)? I wonder. Lately I have been consumed by the social problem of young women in their 20s and 30s who stop drinking, and feel undateable. Quitting drinking should be a return to the world, but for these women, its a social exile. Hook-up culture thrives on drinking it is almost a necessary prop for casual sex and some men simply wont spend time with a woman who doesnt knock back drinks. One woman I heard from had to quit drinking because of a medical diagnosis. She doesnt need AA (although the community would certainly be supportive), but what are the resources for her to meet non-drinking young people? Where does she spend her time now? Im intrigued by an Australia-based website called Hello Sunday Morning, where people who are trying to quit for a week, or a month, or a year - share tips and support one another. I want to be clear that I dont think the answer is to bash or dismantle AA, because it is a profound program that works for some people, including me. What might be helpful, though, is a larger variety of resources *in addition to AA.* I could spend all afternoon answering this question, so Im going to stop now. And I havent even touched on drug addiction, or proposed pharmacological treatments, which is a whole other Pandoras Box I will decline to open right now (and not my area of expertise anyway). Peter and Renshin, would welcome your input on how you got sober, and whether you think AA is overemphasized in the recovery process.
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permalink #34 of 111: Ari Davidow (ari) Thu 21 Jan 16 12:35
permalink #34 of 111: Ari Davidow (ari) Thu 21 Jan 16 12:35
I could also have sworn that I read a recent NY Times article about alternatives to AA, but now can't find it. The idea behind the article is that AA =does= work for some people, but, mostly, it doesn't. And, for a lot of people, learning to drink occasionally =is= possible--it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Having said that, the AA approach has always made sense to me. I've never been very attracted to alcohol, but it took me 20 years to quit tobacco. Along the way, it was made clear to me that I had no "occasional cigarette" option. I either don't smoke, or I smoke a lot. I am very grateful that I made it to the "don't smoke" place. I can only imagine how hard it is with drinking or drug abuse.
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permalink #35 of 111: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 21 Jan 16 18:22
permalink #35 of 111: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 21 Jan 16 18:22
Sarah, when I got sober it was AA or nothing. Also, I was unemployed and unemployable for quite a while, so going to two or three meetings a day was no problem. That's where I found the information I needed ("It's a disease" and "You're not a bad person getting good, you're a sick person getting well" and "Stay away from slippery places if you want to stay sober" - stuff like that) and the social involvement I craved since I had no friends left by the time I hit my first meeting. Of course the guys I met and dated and even married in AA were as cuckoo as I was, so there's that, but some of the men and women have remained friends for decades. Through the years I've seen people proclaim that AA doesn't work and that people should learn to drink socially or whatever, but I don't believe it. I still believe that AA is the only treatment that has a success rate worth paying attention to. The emphasis on Bill Wilson's very traditional God eventually became a problem for me, but in those early days I would have signed up for anything that would help me save my life.
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permalink #36 of 111: descend into a fractal hell of meta-truthiness (jmcarlin) Thu 21 Jan 16 21:32
permalink #36 of 111: descend into a fractal hell of meta-truthiness (jmcarlin) Thu 21 Jan 16 21:32
My mother-in-law had a pattern of drinking that has not been mentioned in this topic. When she got home from work every day, she disappeared into the kitchen to "make dinner" which emerged hours later along with "soldiers" in the trash. I guess she was a "high functioning" alcoholic.
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permalink #37 of 111: Paulina Borsook (loris) Thu 21 Jan 16 23:35
permalink #37 of 111: Paulina Borsook (loris) Thu 21 Jan 16 23:35
am not going to weigh in as to whether some of the new pharmaceutical modes of addressing alcoholism might suffice. i will remark though that yes, i have observed AA work very well for many ppl of my acquaintance. but have also observed some ppl who were just drinking too much (but perhaps not to blackout degrees and losing everything in their life) --- realize they were drinking too much and they just cut back. so perhaps there is a difference between 'drinking too much' and 'alcoholic'? i know AA folks say this isnt a meaningful distinction --- but i have observed it. as for me, i too was just not born with the addiction gene (except for chocolate); the same bottle of vodka can stay in my freezer for yrs at a time (although i like having a drink with friends); never found a recreational drug i -liked-. simply genetic luck of the draw (when much of the rest of my genetic endowment aint so great). i do remember in my teens and 20s how all the interesting ppl were smokers (which i never was) and/or made use of substances. that i didnt do any of things was simply because they werent enjoyable --- as other ppl in this topic have observed was also true for them. but i have wondered about the interesting ppl/substance abuse connection...
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permalink #38 of 111: Dodge (dodge1234) Fri 22 Jan 16 04:48
permalink #38 of 111: Dodge (dodge1234) Fri 22 Jan 16 04:48
I am responding to the comment on late-life quiet female drinkers. I've taken notice lately in novels that they write a lot of single women as getting home from a long day at the office or whatever work and it seems common to write them as changing to comfys or at least kicking off their shoes, and heading to the kitchen for what is apparently their nightly glass of wine which they sip while contemplating dinner. Funnily, I don't recall that being common amongst single women when I was working. But now that I am elderly and alone, I have actually tried to get used to drinking and cannot. It's a chore to remember to drink the bottle of wine I opened. I have bought stronger stuff, too, and while I sorta appreciate it, just can't see the draw. I've at times wanted to have that relaxation and fuzzy edges but I a lifetime of not going there and I guess Im just not cut out for it. Ironically, I got my certification in mixoligy and bartending in my early 20s but never worked at it much.
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permalink #39 of 111: Susan Sarandon, tractors, etc. (rocket) Fri 22 Jan 16 07:44
permalink #39 of 111: Susan Sarandon, tractors, etc. (rocket) Fri 22 Jan 16 07:44
Interesting. I read something in, IIRC, The Atlantic, about how poorly AA does statistically. The thrust of the article was that, basically, this is thge wrong way to go about it and the stats bear this out.
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permalink #40 of 111: Sarah Hepola (shepola) Fri 22 Jan 16 07:52
permalink #40 of 111: Sarah Hepola (shepola) Fri 22 Jan 16 07:52
One question were batting around here is: What makes an alcoholic? One definition is that an alcoholic is someone who has lost the ability to moderate their drinking. If a person finds he or she is drinking more than they want and CAN cut down successfully, I would say that person is NOT an alcoholic. What we often find, though, is people who can cut down for a little while but ultimately its like holding their breath underwater. They can only moderate for so long before slipping back to old habits. Bill Wilson once said alcoholism is the place where want tips into need. The alcoholic *tries* to cut down, but cannot. I cant stop is a key phrase. One lightbulb moment for me was when I learned about the phenomenon of craving. Its the idea that once you introduce booze into your system, that action induces a need for more. Not everyone experiences this. Paulina mentions her bottle of vodka in her freezer. That never would have lasted with me. (I never kept alcohol in the house, because if it was there, Id drink it.) The phenomenon of craving tracked with endless confounding experiences Id had over the years, where Id show up to a party swearing up and down I would only have one or two drinks, but once I had one or two, I felt something close to panic if I couldnt have more. No WAY was I quitting now. Alcohol also woke me up. I sometimes went to a bar feeling very sleepy, but after a few drinks, I was spazzy and hyper. Compare this to friends of mine, who passed out after two beers. Alcohol worked in my system differently than other people. For a long time, this made me cool. I was the fabled girl who could hold her liquor. But later, this became a problem. I was the girl who could not stop. This is why the only solution for me was to stop drinking altogether. One drink left me slavering for more, but with no drinks in me, I didnt have to fight that battle. This is why you hear the phrase, One drink is too many, and a thousand is never enough. (One aside: I quit smoking the same day I quit drinking. Nicotine is notoriously difficult to kick, but I quit that day and never looked back. It simply did not have the same hold on me. Ive never missed it once. Meanwhile, I was in a daily battle not to return to the bottle. My addictions were not equal. One more strong vote for the genetic component to this.) A few important points about alcoholism. I was not scouring the liquor cabinets every time I drank. Years could pass between my blackouts. There were nights when I had two civilized glasses of wine, like Robin Wright on House of Cards, and these were the moments that sustained me in my habits and allowed me to rationalize the times I went off the rails. (Even a bad boyfriend is nice sometimes.) I never lost everything to my alcoholism not even close. Too often we characterize alcoholism as a set of external consequences: Someone who has lost their house, or their job, or their children. That certainly happens. But just as common, if not more, is someone whose consequences are internal. They have lost themselves. By the way, the medical community uses the term alcohol use disorder, which is a diagnosis you get if your drinking behavior lines up with a certain number of distress signals. They do not use the term alcoholic, which is a word used in common parlance and in AA, but it is really a self-diagnosis. Being an alcoholic is a bit like proclaiming a faith. If you say you are one, no one can really argue with you. (Though of course, some people try.)
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permalink #41 of 111: Sarah Hepola (shepola) Fri 22 Jan 16 08:27
permalink #41 of 111: Sarah Hepola (shepola) Fri 22 Jan 16 08:27
As if I haven't blathered on enough, I want to quickly address the question on the statistical efficacy of AA. First of all, AA doesn't keep tabs on the millions of people who come in and out of its doors each year. It's not run like a business. It's a giant anarchy. So any claims of "statistical success" must be taken with a giant grain of salt. The studies of its effectiveness are multiple, and contradictory. Even further complicating this, however, is the question: What is success? Is it staying sober till you die? Sobriety for a year? For two months? I went in to AA for the first time as a 25 year old, and stayed sober for a year -- the longest I'd ever been without a drink since I was 13. Then I went out. Is that a success -- or a failure? The most interesting question of that Atlantic Monthly article is the discussion of Naltrexone, a pharmaceutical developed to curb alcohol cravings. It basically takes the joy out of drinking. I was prescribed Naltrexone at one point, many years ago, and I thought to myself: Why would I want to take the joy out of drinking? I tossed it. Personally, I'm glad that my recovery didn't come from a pill, because I would have missed out on the emotional growth and psychological insight I got from a group. That said, are we missing an opportunity to help people who don't want to work the AA program? Maybe so.
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permalink #42 of 111: Elizabeth Churchill (leroyleroy) Fri 22 Jan 16 08:59
permalink #42 of 111: Elizabeth Churchill (leroyleroy) Fri 22 Jan 16 08:59
Was that Atlantic article the one by Gabrielle Glaser? She points out that AA was designed for men but has many drawbacks for women. Also that it's more efficacious for some personality types than others. Have there been any scientific studies?
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permalink #43 of 111: Susan Sarandon, tractors, etc. (rocket) Fri 22 Jan 16 09:40
permalink #43 of 111: Susan Sarandon, tractors, etc. (rocket) Fri 22 Jan 16 09:40
Yeah, to be honest I don't want to google AA here from work, but questions like " Is it staying sober till you die? Sobriety for a year? For two months?" are indeed addressed, in the context of "not drinking until you die" is perhaps not a good metric for success. Neither is abstaining for two months. It also covered the quite suspect current medical definitions of "alcholism" -- if you have 5 drinks a week you are one IIRC. This does not comport with the way the French pair wines with meals ... or Italians ... or any moderate drinker. This then sets you up for failure as a modest drinker is suddenly classed as a problem drinker and supposed to abstain for the rest of their lives, or something.
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permalink #44 of 111: descend into a fractal hell of meta-truthiness (jmcarlin) Fri 22 Jan 16 10:36
permalink #44 of 111: descend into a fractal hell of meta-truthiness (jmcarlin) Fri 22 Jan 16 10:36
> Nicotine is notoriously difficult to kick, I kept quitting and restarting until one day when I had a powerful emotional surge of I WANT TO LIVE and on that day I quite for real.
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permalink #45 of 111: Paulina Borsook (loris) Fri 22 Jan 16 10:55
permalink #45 of 111: Paulina Borsook (loris) Fri 22 Jan 16 10:55
sarah, a naive question i have always wanted to ask an alcholic --- and i suspect you have both the patience and the understanding to reply/do the AMA: that is, why arent the physiological miseries of alcoholism (the puking, the hangovers/headaches/general crap feeling) enough of a basic animal disincentive to stop? or at least modulate? i guess i am such a wimp that one time i drank until i puked (i was 21) was enough for 'NEVER AGAIN'. i've had maybe 20 hangovers in my life (these seem to do more with my general state of health --- sometimes one drink, as sipped over a few hrs, can do it) --- and boy, something to be avoided (and when i realize my overall health is doing poorly, i just dont drink. again, dont have the addict gene...)
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permalink #46 of 111: Sarah Hepola (shepola) Fri 22 Jan 16 14:00
permalink #46 of 111: Sarah Hepola (shepola) Fri 22 Jan 16 14:00
That's a good question, Paulina. In fact, I sometimes look at drug addicts, and wonder: How can you put up with that? But the answer is the same: Because the high is worth it. Alcoholics are pleasure seekers, and as a rule they are pain avoidant. They put up with the unpleasant side effects because they are far outweighed by the euphoria. Alcohol FIXED me. It gave me what I needed. Hangovers were like a stiff cover charge -- nobody likes them, but they're necessary to get to the party. However, as I got older, the hangovers grew worse, and harder to shake. The pain-pleasure balance became more like 50-50, and eventually I tipped into more pain than pleasure. Generally that's the point when people stop.
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permalink #47 of 111: Paulina Borsook (loris) Fri 22 Jan 16 15:31
permalink #47 of 111: Paulina Borsook (loris) Fri 22 Jan 16 15:31
that's an interesting explanation --- and one that makes sense. useful to think about how different ppl's brain process 'pleasure' vs 'pain. to me, I HATE PUKING SO MUCH that i will do anything to avoid it. pain! and am such a wimp (and hate hangovers so much) --- would want to avoid those, too. i guess the 'pleasure' of alcohol to me --- isnt worth the 'pain' from its overdoses. but then, i was the person who said in the 60s, when doing the usual experimenting with the usual things 'feh, that's nice, but 12 hrs later when whatever it is has worn off, nothing is any different in my life'. but yeah, yr explanation that for an alcoholic the -pleasure- is worth the cost --- has to be correct.
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permalink #48 of 111: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Sat 23 Jan 16 09:32
permalink #48 of 111: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Sat 23 Jan 16 09:32
For an alcoholic, the need remains long after the pleasure has gone. I heard a podcast of that woman who wrote the article for the Atlantic that claimed that AA doesn't work and promoting a new drug that does. I'm so sorry when I hear those things; as Sarah says, nobody knows AA's success rate or, indeed, what success even is in this context. It's excellent if they've found a drug that works for some people, but not so necessary to bash AA to promote it. I think of some poor alky realizing they need help and not going to AA because they saw an article that says it doesn't work.
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permalink #49 of 111: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 23 Jan 16 10:48
permalink #49 of 111: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 23 Jan 16 10:48
'need remains after the pleasure is gone' --- that explains a lot
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permalink #50 of 111: disclaimers and disentanglements at gailwilliams.com (gail) Sat 23 Jan 16 11:04
permalink #50 of 111: disclaimers and disentanglements at gailwilliams.com (gail) Sat 23 Jan 16 11:04
Thanks for this. I recently heard an intriguing podcast episode that explores the ambiguity between the model of a treatable disease on a chemical level, and on deeper issues of identity and how to be. Including a powerful example of removing the chemical craving yet still leaving a lost person. One size clearly doesn't fit all. A good listen: http://www.radiolab.org/story/addiction/
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