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permalink #201 of 250: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sat 16 Jan 21 13:49
permalink #201 of 250: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sat 16 Jan 21 13:49
Brad Neuberg's reply quoted in #189 was brilliant--but doesn't the word "next" have an 'e' in it? Maybe some joke there I'm missing? "Only Allah can make something perfect"--the rug weavers' motto, and so they take care to introduce an error.
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permalink #202 of 250: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 16 Jan 21 14:07
permalink #202 of 250: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 16 Jan 21 14:07
(a bit of slippage) The Earth Species Project sounds interesting. It may offer additional points from which we might triangulate new comprehensions. With humans, it seems that some sort of socialization process is inevitable (natural). Even in a "raised-by-wolves" scenario, there is some socialization -- it's just not human. Coming to grips with what some machine learning system is thinking may be like the classic wasp experiment reported in Dean Wooldridge's book, "Mechanical Man: The Physical Basis of Intelligent Life" (1968): > When the time comes for egg laying, the wasp Sphex builds a burrow > for the purpose and seeks out a cricket which she stings in such a > way as to paralyze but not kill it. She drags the cricket into the > burrow, lays her eggs alongside, closes the burrow, then flies away, > never to return. In due course, the eggs hatch and the wasp grubs > feed off the paralyzed cricket, which has not decayed, having been > kept in the wasp equivalent of a deepfreeze. > > To the human mind, such an elaborately organized and seemingly > purposeful routine conveys a convincing flavor of logic and > thoughtfulness--until more details are examined. > > For example, the wasp's routine is to bring the paralyzed cricket > to the burrow, leave it on the threshold, go inside to see that > all is well, emerge, and then drag the cricket in. If the cricket > is moved a few inches away while the wasp is inside making her > preliminary inspection, the wasp, on emerging from the burrow, > will bring the cricket back to the threshold, but not inside, > and will then repeat the preparatory procedure of entering the > burrow to see that everything is all right. If again the cricket > is removed a few inches while the wasp is inside, once again she > will move the cricket up to the threshold and reenter the burrow > for a final check. > > The wasp never thinks of pulling the cricket straight in. On one > occasion this procedure was repeated forty times, always with the > same result.
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permalink #203 of 250: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 16 Jan 21 14:28
permalink #203 of 250: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 16 Jan 21 14:28
I do think "illusion" is a better term for this than "hallucination." But even "illusion" is problematical... to the extent that some folks are under the illusion that even "illusions" are not moored to reality. "Illusion" is best used, imo, to make the point that what we see of our surroundings is an interpretation. We simultaneously know this to be true and tend to underestimate its extent. So we are always overestimating the commonality of what we express in common language. The extremes of efforts like The Earth Species Project or attempts to 'rationalize' machine learning systems may help make this clear.
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permalink #204 of 250: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 16 Jan 21 15:01
permalink #204 of 250: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 16 Jan 21 15:01
> Sometimes the computer is > "hallucinating" and sometimes the reader is; we fill in gaps with > our own imagination by assuming that vaguely-coherent text comes > from an intelligent being. Eventually, you learn to see the gaps, > and the illusion falls apart. Another interpretation is that some 'fast, automatic... and unconscious' portions of our minds have learned from experience (have literally been 'trained') that there is something we want to call 'intelligence' behind blocks of text we find to be meaningful.
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permalink #205 of 250: George Mokray (jonl) Sat 16 Jan 21 15:07
permalink #205 of 250: George Mokray (jonl) Sat 16 Jan 21 15:07
Via email from George Mokray: Thanks to Jane Hirshfield (jh) and Bradley Westervelt as they are much appreciated. Bruce Sterling (bruces): "I'm waiting for this neural-net tech to find some deeply consequential killer apps, and my best guess so far would be protein-folding and computational chemistry. Its happening: <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03348-4> Alphabets Googles DeepMinds program AlphaFold can predict protein folding structures of about 100 proteins. But I suspect bruces knows that already. As to climate, Michael Mann and others are now saying that, if we zero out the emission of greenhouse gases, the Earth will cool more quickly than previously thought. My study of geotherapy, maximizing ecological systems to draw down carbon from the atmosphere, has convinced me that, if we employ known geotherapeutic techniques globally and consistently, we can speed the process even more while improving the soil, the streams, and the oceans. I have been lucky to know some of the pioneers in this field, including Tom Goreau, who is expanding on Wolf Hilbertz work with biorock (mentioned in Sterlings Islands in the Net back in the late 1980s) to restore coral reefs. My recommendations for those who want to know more about geotherapy are Geotherapy: Innovative Methods of Soil Fertility Restoration, Carbon Sequestration, and Reversing CO2 Increase Edited ByThomas J. Goreau, Ronal W. Larson, Joanna Campe <https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/geotherapy-thomas-goreau-ronal-larson-joan na-campe/e/10.1201/b13788> the conferences organized by Biodiversity for a Livable Climate which cover not only soil-related geotherapy but also freshwater, ocean, and biodiversity techniques as well <https://bio4climate.org/conferences/> and Healing Earth: An Ecologist's Journey of Innovation and Environmental Stewardship by John Todd, an old and dear friend <https://www.northatlanticbooks.com/shop/healing-earth/> One of the many advantages of geotherapy is that it works at every scale, from a flower pot to thousands of hectares, from the smallest stream to the largest river. I say geotherapy not geoengineering, please! but my experience in wandering the lecture halls of Harvard and MIT has taught me that, if the concept ever comes up, it is because I raise it. Although that may be beginning to change as people like Dr William Moonaw, long of the IPCC, knows and talks about it often in relation to the negative feedback loops we are setting up. Recently, Dr Moomaw participated in an online discussion with the Dalai Lama and Greta Thunberg to introduce a short film series, Climate Emergency: Feedback Loops (<https://feedbackloopsclimate.com/>). Unfortunately, there is not yet a Harvard/MIT Joint Seminar on Geotherapy but there has been one on solar geoengineering for years now, with plans to start setting up for experiments beginning in the Spring. My approach to climate change is 100% renewables ASAP zero emissions economy ASAP carbon drawdown ASAP geotherapy (not geoengineering) ASAP More at <http://solarray.blogspot.com/2018/12/my-approach-to-climate-change.html>
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permalink #206 of 250: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Sat 16 Jan 21 15:11
permalink #206 of 250: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Sat 16 Jan 21 15:11
Q: Who stole the Kishka? A: Gollum stole the Kishka. Doesn't work for me. Seems to be a Polka / Klezmer song. eg <https://www.amazon.in/stole-Kishka-Goldberg-Odessa-Klezmer/dp/B000NQ2AJK>
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permalink #207 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sat 16 Jan 21 17:12
permalink #207 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sat 16 Jan 21 17:12
Yeah, I asked that question to be funny and see what it would do. It's a song I play on accordion.
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permalink #208 of 250: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sat 16 Jan 21 18:39
permalink #208 of 250: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sat 16 Jan 21 18:39
Thanks, George. I know the Todds also-- while it's now closed down and unlikely to be revived, with Bill Thompson's death this year a sorrowful coda, I was part of the Lindisfarne Association with them for some years. Please say hello from me, if you have the chance. I like your "geotherapy, not geoengineering!" distinction. It's a good example of our human fuzzy-association taking of meaning from words that I believe (rightly? wrongly?) that I understand if not exactly then generally correctly what you are saying by that. What would an AI take from it? And I appreciate that your post holds some hope of resiliences of the most essential kind. If we choose to, we might still be able to pull out of the death spiral. "On the last day of the world, I would plant a tree." -- W. S. Merwin, whose amateur palm tree reserve in Maui, now the Merwin Conservancy, is considered one of the best resources of palm tree DNA on the planet. Here's a link to the Earth Species project. <https://www.earthspecies.org/about#humans> This is the first time I've gone back to the site since having seen my first starling murmuration--their graphic depicting the 10,000 most used words in English looks quite like the starlings in some of their milder-dramatic moments. More dramatic, here: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WZTcBJmzDs> Now would an AI associate these two things? My guess is not. It would somehow be so familiar with so many more instances of things that "look" to me like this, I assume that one wouldn't pull up the other. (Forgive all the anthropomorphized language--not my field, this.) Some here will notice that one of the two Earth Species co-founders, Aza Raskin, is also one of the founders of the Center for Humane Technology (among other things).
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permalink #209 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 17 Jan 21 03:42
permalink #209 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 17 Jan 21 03:42
> "how many of our apparently wicked problems will just yield some day, like a solved riddle?" We know how to solve climate change: we simply need to change our behaviors (admittedly, we need to change them fairly drastically). The wicked problem is how to solve climate change without doing so. Which brings us back to that Buckminster Fuller quote.
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permalink #210 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 17 Jan 21 03:46
permalink #210 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 17 Jan 21 03:46
To belatedly respond to Jane's wonderful post (#174), I've found some solace in recent days from sea shanties. Not the songs themselves, which are redolent of the slaughter of intelligent creatures and the exploitation of workers, but the spontaneous crescendo of collaboration that they have incited among more or less isolated people in different places. A pleasing reminder of how social media can be used for creation and across the boundaries of, at least, distance and (the literal sense of) ignorance.
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permalink #211 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 17 Jan 21 04:12
permalink #211 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 17 Jan 21 04:12
I'm preparing a presentation for tomorrow, which is rare for me in that I usually wing or pants instead of preparing, but this one is long, and in French, and I was requested to speak both about my dissertation research (on local government improvisation in disaster response) and science fiction. This is a bridge or amalgamation I've been flirting with for a while, and I'm pleased to have a push to go farther on it, but I find it challenging, both because of the content and, perhaps because of the slightly different personae I use in each profession. In any case, I am going to speak on the role of imagination in disaster response. I find that I seek to defend this topic even to myself, because it feels frivolous (besides being not precisely what my research is on; an expertise plus another expertise don't necessarily result in an expertise on the combination), but the more I look at it, the more important it feels. The House of Representatives report on Hurricane Katrina was titled "A Failure of Initiative"; it's a silly title that they made sillier by not defining initiative and then, in the body of the report, criticizing it as often as they praised it. A failure of imagination might be more accurate. What is our failure to act on what's coming but a failure of imagination, an inability or unwillingness to fully envision the consequences? In the midst of a disaster, when situational awareness is often limited, either by the lack of communications or by the limits of our science, imagination is the only way to make decisions and act. While experienced responders, or even first-time responders, can often imagine a lot of the needs quite accurately, they tend to fail when it comes to imagining the needs of the Other. (For example, I was told independently by several male emergency responders in Japan that it took them a long time, and in one case the intervention of female military officers doing needs assessments, to remember that women might need specific household products on a regular basis.) But the failure that I find myself worrying most about right now is the failure in learning from the disaster. The time immediately after a disaster is typically the most fertile both for rallying political will around preparedness and identifying the failures of current response plans, but in the rush to avoid blame or any quaking of the status quo, government response evaluations tend to paint each disaster as unprecedented, unique, impossible to imagine - and that carries over to the next, and the next.
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permalink #212 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 17 Jan 21 04:22
permalink #212 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 17 Jan 21 04:22
This failure or, more often, devaluing of imagination is a problem fairly pervasive in our society. I am not a luddite or anti-rationalist; I believe in facts and I value numbers and measurement. But rationalism and associated principles like neutrality and objectivity have overrun their limits in our society; they've been appropriated and misused for the opposite of the purposes which they are supposed to serve. We need to find ways of using them that allow space for the unquantifiable, for emotion and connection, for plural subjectivity instead of the illusion of a single correct and abstaining viewpoint, for uncertainty, for beauty, for rigorous opinions and evidence-based creativity.
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permalink #213 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 17 Jan 21 05:59
permalink #213 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 17 Jan 21 05:59
I worked on the Katrina Peoplefinder Project, described at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katrina_PeopleFinder_Project> and in more detail at <https://web.archive.org/web/20120127141032/http://www.worldchanging.com/archiv es/003437.html>. One effect of a disaster like Katrina is that people disperse and lose track of each other. It can be hard to know who of your relatives and close friends are safe and alive, and to track them down especially if they've been sent to a shelter somewhere. Hundreds of thousands of people had been displaced. Ka-Ping Yee had worked at Berkeley on the problem of tracking survivors of 9/11 and getting diverse bits of information from unstructured data into a structured format so that you could have a single authoritative registry. He had developed PFIF, the People Finder Information Format, for that purpose. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Finder_Interchange_Format> He brought the format and the thinking behind it to the People Finder Project, where we had people writing scripts to retrieve unstructured data about survivors from various sources and put the data into PFIF. We also had teams of people adding data that couldn't be handled by scripts, and doing error correction. One recollection I have is how we were having a hard time getting traditional organizations like Red Cross to work with us. Salesforce and Google eventually got involved. A second project, called Shelter Finder, emerged as we saw the problem of tracking all the popup shelters that were emerging to take people in. Finding people was partly about having data about where they might be. We were an ad hoc group of volunteers who knew something about technology, working together with some degree of agility to help with a problem that was often not handled well if at all following that kind of disaster. We'd had some experience (via Worldchanging connections) with the same problem following the Southeast Asian Tsunami. We talked a lot about building technical disaster relief teams for future disasters, and there might have been some of that. But it's hard to get people to prepare for future disaster, that sense of urgency fades over time and you forget the fragility of infrastructure and relationships that had been so apparent when you were in the thick of it.
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permalink #214 of 250: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sun 17 Jan 21 07:58
permalink #214 of 250: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sun 17 Jan 21 07:58
Part of leadership is the ability to get people to follow you. Imagination is equally important, the ability to anticipate the consequence of different possible courses of action and to choose a good one. This imagination needs to be coupled with the authority to take action. The US was a month late in rolling out tests for COVID-19 last winter. The leaders who had the authority to fix this lacked the imagination to anticipate the consequences of delay and the sense of urgency this imagination should have driven. The same is true of the drinking water disaster in Flint, Michigan. In Florida Rebekah Jones had the correct insight that it was necessary to collect and to disseminate life-saving information, and she had the personal initiative to do it herself when she didn't have support from the state. She's being punished now for embarrassing the people who had the authority and decided not to do this.
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permalink #215 of 250: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sun 17 Jan 21 11:21
permalink #215 of 250: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sun 17 Jan 21 11:21
This last run of posts is a joy to read... Malka, that presentation (good luck with delivering it!) sounds both a thrilling and a direly needed reminder. Both your post and karish's point out how much a CYA mentality damages both immediate action and later learning. (Svetlana Alexievich's _Voices From Chernobyl_ comes to mind as a marriage of investigative reporting/recording and Alexievich's leap of imagination in inventing the genre -- a kind of 180 degree journalistic invention to Hunter S. Thompson's -- as a way to keep available and real the evidence of failure's depths, lack-of-empathy's costs, and also, in other dimensions, emotion's reach.) There are models in medicine for dealing with this--the post-event analysis of why something went wrong, undertaken in a way understood as collectively necessary and, ideally, non-punitive. Maybe that's because medicine is one long ongoing crisis, just crisis after crisis after crisis with life-and-death consequences. So they had to figure out a structural way to avoid CYA increase of stupidity as best they could. jonl, that post-Katrina work is such a good example of the kind of thing I associate with Rebecca Solnit's A Paradise Built in Hell. Including the Red Cross not wanting to accept the assistance of an ad hoc, newly-imagined solution that wasn't in their own fiefdom. And if just want to say thank you in particular, Malka, for your post 212--that's one of the most additive, and beautiful, paragraphs I've read in a long time. It lays out, not least, the map for why art exists, and for why the arts are a necessary ally to the investigations of science in the bettering of lives.
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permalink #216 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 17 Jan 21 12:59
permalink #216 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 17 Jan 21 12:59
Normally we end the State of the World conversation after two weeks. If we did that, tomorrow would be the last day. However there's so much happening, including the inauguration scheduled later this week - I think it makes sense to extend by a week, through January 25. I haven't asked <bruces> and <malka> about this. They committed to be here for two weeks, and might not have time to stay in the conversation for another week. But they, and all others, are encouraged to keep posting.
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permalink #217 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 17 Jan 21 13:05
permalink #217 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 17 Jan 21 13:05
We're getting close to done here. It's been edifying. I've got a new book coming out this year, a book I've been working on for a decade: a collection of Italian-themed science fiction stories. Being a guy who, for twenty years, has written about the "State of the World," I've long had some vague ambition to write a "regional novel about the Planet Earth." That's a conceptual challenge for me, the challenge of global localism, "glocalism," "think globally act locally;" there's something Whole Earth about this set of concepts, which are often on my mind as I traipse about the whole earth. Also, regional novels interest me. Their constraints often give them a paradoxical universality.
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permalink #218 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 17 Jan 21 13:06
permalink #218 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 17 Jan 21 13:06
I didn't know how to go about regionalizing the Whole Earth, though, and that noble effort seemed a bit like a ladder-to-the-Moon. So instead I decided to try some regional writing about the city of Turin. As in, how local can a foreigner get? And what about the world's regionalized varieties of science fiction Italian "fantascienza" as an Italian literary genre? Thus the imminent publication of "Robot Artists and Black Swans, the Italian Fantascienza Stories," which are stories of mine mostly written for the Italian fantascienza markets and first published in Italy. https://tachyonpublications.com/product/robot-artists-and-black-swans-the-ital ian-fantascienza-stories-of-bruce-sterling-as-bruno-argento/ Since arriving in Italy, I've written maybe one fantascienza work per year and I thought of them as being rather like Italo Calvino literary pranks. "Invisible Cities" is an effort I much admire. In this famous work, the Italian Marco Polo confronts the Grand Mongol Emperor, the World Potentate who seems unsure of the nature and the boundaries of the world over which he presides. So Marco Polo, who seems possessed by a strange mathematical rigor, chants to the Emperor, "Well, there's a city named this-and-that, and all the people are like such-and such. Next, there's a different city named this and it's unique because of that," and somehow this rattling Calvino ensemble has the mind-bending effect of being thrown through a medieval atlas. There's an Amor Mundi world-wonderment to it. It's regional, fantastic, and about the whole Earth. As a college student I first bought "Invisible Cities" in a used bookstore for one dollar.
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permalink #219 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 17 Jan 21 13:06
permalink #219 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 17 Jan 21 13:06
Decades later, I met Calvino's widow in Italy and I told her about my bookstore bargain. Calvino first met his wife in Paris, where she was an Argentine technical translator who specialized in nuclear power issues for the United Nations. There was something very carbon-rod in the nuclear pile about Chichita Calvino. You could tell she'd spent a lot of her womanly time tying up the husband's shoelaces and rescuing his abandoned, smoldering coffee-pots. She was quite the stern guardian of his literary heritage, too; a nobody's-fool grand-dame, chain smoking French cigarettes and doing shots of grappa while in her eighties. It encouraged me to get to know her a little, it somehow set my feet on the ground and felt civilized and humane; even Marco Polo himself, literary legend, was once some genuine Venetian guy with a Mrs Polo and the little daughter Polo. Calvino's role as a model encouraged me, and I gave my Italian fantascienza project some serious thought. Likely I even overthought it some. There are works of Calvino's that are so "motto pensato" that Calvino himself probably forgot what he was up to they're so intellectualized that they're arch, over-baked and verging on daffy, much like Umberto Eco making his erudite semiotic jokes for an audience of mostly himself.
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permalink #220 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 17 Jan 21 13:06
permalink #220 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 17 Jan 21 13:06
So in my experimental Turinese stories I assumed I was likely overdoing it, not exactly "self-indulgent," but something like building ships from toothpicks inside a Turinese bottle. However, now that the collection is assembled and published, and it's got a couple of intros and an afterword and even some nice illustrations, I can see that ROBOT ARTISTS AND BLACK SWANS is one of my better books. Instead of being desiccated, cranky and erudite, it reads like some 1970s psychedelic Metal Hurlant French bande dessinee it's brightly colored and even somewhat European comic-booky, and rockets right along despite all its squinchy pen-and-ink detailing. As it happens, Italian SF fans don't much like Italian regional stories. Instead, they like space operas and mutant cyborg vampires, just like all the other cool genre people. However, the Italians are impressed that I could somehow create a book that entirely lacks America's normal cliches about Italy. Instead, my hybridized, sampled "American fantascienza" is composed of truly peculiar Italian elements that 95% of Italians don't know about or care about. The book's narrative impetus is all in how much the *author* cares about it he's super-into his Italian wunderkammer collection. He's piling up centuries of Italian minutiae with the glee of Tolkien naming his elves. It's like watching some street-clown making Italian balloon animals there's not much common-sense to it, but his obsession is endearing.
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permalink #221 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 17 Jan 21 13:07
permalink #221 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 17 Jan 21 13:07
The author's search engines, in particular, are so ferocious that genuine, traditional Italian regional fiction could never pack so much Italian regionalism into a text. The book is native 21st century writing, with a dizzying Google-erudition packed, jammed, overstuffed into every page. There's a crammed-prose cyberpunk feeling of a newfangled form of historical writing which no merely human historian's brain, fingers and fountain-pen could possibly contain. Only a digital-humanities guy would want to stack up so many terabytes of loosely-networked something-or-other. It feels like the difference between an Italian Renaissance lutenist and a DJ with a ProTools set-up that's full of Italian Renaissance lute samples. Also, the stories are funny. They're amusing, not in the Umberto Eco donnish-maestro way, but in the Mark Twain "Innocents Abroad" way, as in "Why are the tragicomic pranks of mankind so absurdly various?" So I'm pleased about my new book, and there's more such work to come. There are similar fantascienza stories not collected in this volume, and I've written some new ones since. There seems to be water in that cistern for me. The bucket's rusty and the crank is slow, but the water's potable. It tastes pretty good in its export bottles, even.
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permalink #222 of 250: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sun 17 Jan 21 14:31
permalink #222 of 250: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sun 17 Jan 21 14:31
The book sounds fantastic, bruces. Congratulations and, as Ovid said of his mss mailed off from exile, and the Well writers conference members like to say here: "Go, little book." Yet another tradition of outsider's-eye seeing what locals may not (because differently curious, and because peripheral vision is needed, even physiologically, for some kinds of seeing) comes to mind from what you say also: a kind of Turinesqe Toqueville.
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permalink #223 of 250: Alex Davie (icenine) Mon 18 Jan 21 06:03
permalink #223 of 250: Alex Davie (icenine) Mon 18 Jan 21 06:03
A tiny story about imagination and disaster response...I mobilized from Atlanta on the first flight in to Baton Rouge, Louisiana after Katrina had left building, rented a car and drove directly to our Company's HQ in downtown Baton Rouge, a 12 story building chock full of corporate types top to bottom... I personally was responsible for our emergency response contract with the U. S. Postal Service so I was there to respond to the USPS needs during the aftermath and was on the Task Force within the Company to respond to all the ER contracts, present and future...and as such, I observed early on, in the first few days the desire and the subsequent contract to pump out New Orleans...which we did, in record time, astonishing the US Army Corps of Engineers and the City of New Orleans... I voiced this sentiment, before we got the contract from the US Army Corps of Engineers, to pump out New Orleans, to wit: Forget pumping out New Orleans, let the floodwaters recede naturally, then give the people and the governments 30 days to retrieve their schtuff and abandon the City since it was built below sea level and it was inevitable that it would flood again in the future and come back in 20 years and see if the Mississippi had changed course again and then re-build... As you might imagine that went over like a lead balloon to those I expressed it to...there was too much money on the table to made so I never said it again in the sixty days I was there responding to Katrina..
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permalink #224 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 18 Jan 21 06:21
permalink #224 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 18 Jan 21 06:21
I know that we're in a disaster and we're in for a lot more disasters. People such as Dr Malka who are intimate with disasters are the avant-garde among us. "Armageddon" is boring, because the clock stops ticking and there's nothing left to think about or to say, but disastrous times are different. It's much like dwelling on the slopes of a volcano. Awful things happen, with various time-lines and various scales of awful, but that's where you live, that's your home. Yes, it's risky, but you've got a vineyard and a cradle. Southern Italy is like that. It's beautiful and fertile but it's poor, and you can venture there from Northern Italy, and you wonder "where are all the monuments?" There just aren't many: the earthquakes knocked them down.
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permalink #225 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 18 Jan 21 06:29
permalink #225 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 18 Jan 21 06:29
Every once in a while you get a huge monument that the volcano buried completely. It was some once-thriving place destroyed by disaster so utterly that everybody forgot its existence. Then somebody unearths Pompeii and they set to digging it back up again. Been at the antique-mining for a couple of centuries, so far. "The fire-born are at home in fire," but these are the fire-killed and their town came back, out of the ashes. The ruins of Pompeii tend to fall down a lot. They're frail. In the middle of the ruins there's a pizza joint. Surprising numbers of living people move through the streets of Pompeii. Enough that, even though it's a skeleton of a Roman town, it kinda resembles a contemporary tourist town. You have to wonder how often people meet a romantic stranger there and get married. https://www.flickr.com/photos/brucesterling/albums/72157691079882835
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