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Topic 518: Peter Richardson, Savage Journey: Hunter S. Thompson and the Weird Road to Gonzo
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permalink #51 of 126: Gary Burnett (jera) Sat 26 Mar 22 18:01
permalink #51 of 126: Gary Burnett (jera) Sat 26 Mar 22 18:01
Also, this came up for me on my Facebook feed today, and I'd love to have you talk about it! "I forgot that P.J. O'Rourke was part of an HST oral biography published by "Stop Smiling: The Magazine for High-Minded Lowlifes." That came out in 2005 and remains a favorite for me. He regarded Thompson as a poet whose politics could be safely ignored."
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permalink #52 of 126: Alex Davie (icenine) Sun 27 Mar 22 01:44
permalink #52 of 126: Alex Davie (icenine) Sun 27 Mar 22 01:44
Jennifer (NOTW) uses a Tar Guard to this day and has used one for years..Tar Guard used to advertise that this was the same one that HST used..FWIW Jennifer would agree with Juan that there is no telling how much tar these little beauties have saved her from ingesting..
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permalink #53 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 27 Mar 22 04:38
permalink #53 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 27 Mar 22 04:38
One more thought about drugs and alcohol. Someone I know well read my book and brought his extensive AA experience to bear on it. He saw a connection between HST's alcoholism and his style, especially the invective. That angle didn't fit my project or skill set, but maybe someone here (or elsewhere) can do something with it. That issue of Stop Smiling is a treasure. Lots about publishing (Grove Press, City Lights, Harold Ross, etc.), plus a meaty article about HST with quotes from his friends and colleagues, including his editors. O'Rourke, of course, also wrote for Rolling Stone. He said he bonded with HST over their mutual love of reading. By then, O'Rourke's politics were libertarian/conservative. He liked to make fun of humorless liberals. That became his media niche, and he stuck with it even after George W. Bush and Donald Trump did their damage. He didn't actually vote for Trump in 2016. "I am endorsing Hillary, and all her lies and all her empty promises," he said on NPR. "She's wrong about absolutely everything, but she's wrong within normal parameters." So even as he repudiated Trump, he was still getting his shots in at Hillary. In Stop Smiling, O'Rourke says that HST's politics were silly. He was a poet, and we shouldn't look to poets for political wisdom. I wouldn't say Thompson was a deep political thinker. It was more visceral for him, more personal. But when it came to the major political figures he wrote about, there's not much he would have to retract, given the way the cookie has crumbled over the last five decades. His commentary was hyperbolic, but much of it turned out to be prophetic. In the Facebook thread you mention, I was wondering whether we could say the same about O'Rourke. He was clever and funny, and I gather he was a good person, but it matters who or what you satirize, and I don't think he was on the right side of history. It's worth noting, I think, that when O'Rourke pooh-poohed Thompson's politics, the United States, under the leadership of George W. Bush, was destroying Iraq. HST predicted that the day after the 9/11 attack.
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permalink #54 of 126: Jack King (gjk) Sun 27 Mar 22 05:54
permalink #54 of 126: Jack King (gjk) Sun 27 Mar 22 05:54
I'd like to share some of that here. The ESPN column Thompson filed on Sept 12, 2001, wasn't a political piece, really, nor was it particularly clairvoyant. It was horror, a Naked Lunch,* an extended moment of lucid revulsion. >> [quote] The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for Peace in Our Time, in the United States or any other country. Make no mistake about it: We are At War now -- with somebody -- and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives. It will be a Religious War, a sort of Christian Jihad, fueled by religious hatred and led by merciless fanatics on both sides. It will be guerilla warfare on a global scale, with no front lines and no identifiable enemy. Osama bin Laden may be a primitive "figurehead" -- or even dead, for all we know -- but whoever put those All-American jet planes loaded with All-American fuel into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon did it with chilling precision and accuracy. The second one was a dead-on bullseye. Straight into the middle of the skyscraper.... We are going to punish somebody for this attack, but just who or what will be blown to smithereens for it is hard to say. Maybe Afghanistan, maybe Pakistan or Iraq, or possibly all three at once. Who knows? Not even the Generals in what remains of the Pentagon or the New York papers calling for WAR seem to know who did it or where to look for them. [end quote] << "Fear and Loathing in America" Sept. 12, 2001 <https://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?id=1250751>, last visited Mar. 27, 2022. *"naked lunch, a frozen moment when everyone sees what is on the end of every fork." (Jack Kerouac).
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permalink #55 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 27 Mar 22 06:42
permalink #55 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 27 Mar 22 06:42
Maybe I'm giving HST too much credit, but I didn't think it was obvious we would target Iraq at that point. We had to gin up a lot of bad intelligence before that could happen. The article suggests, but doesn't really explore, the media's role in what was to come. I don't get the feeling he thinks the media will rise to the challenge. During his prime, he might have done more with that.
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permalink #56 of 126: Jack King (gjk) Sun 27 Mar 22 07:00
permalink #56 of 126: Jack King (gjk) Sun 27 Mar 22 07:00
On 9/12/01, Iraq was a likely US target in that Saddam Hussein was believed to have been behind the April 1993 assassination attempt on George H.W. Bush in Kuwait, and Bush fils wanted to get him some payback. So maybe you're giving HST just the credit he is due. It was lucidity, not clairvoyance.
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permalink #57 of 126: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Sun 27 Mar 22 07:42
permalink #57 of 126: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Sun 27 Mar 22 07:42
>a connection between HST's alcoholism and his style... Could you say more about this? Was it just the lack of inhibition or something else they meant?
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permalink #58 of 126: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sun 27 Mar 22 07:52
permalink #58 of 126: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sun 27 Mar 22 07:52
In 1979 I went back to college after some years away. In the spring of that year somebody used some money from our student activity fees to hire HST to come and talk to us. The talk was in a conference room that was about two thirds full, with thirty or forty people. Thompson walked in the main door and through the audience while playing with a football. He'd throw it a few feet in the air, spinning vertically, and catch it. He was wearing a nice-looking suit in a gray tropical fabric, a dress shirt open at the neck, and white Converse All Stars. Someone introduced him. He said he didn't have a speech, he'd take questions. He was calm, pleasant, and soft-spoken. The question I remember is "What do you think of Garry Trudeau and his Duke character?" His answer: "If I ever meet that guy I'll rip his lungs out."
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permalink #59 of 126: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Sun 27 Mar 22 07:57
permalink #59 of 126: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Sun 27 Mar 22 07:57
Hah!
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permalink #60 of 126: power meower (autumn) Sun 27 Mar 22 09:11
permalink #60 of 126: power meower (autumn) Sun 27 Mar 22 09:11
Ha!!
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permalink #61 of 126: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Sun 27 Mar 22 10:12
permalink #61 of 126: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Sun 27 Mar 22 10:12
The online Doonesbury had a re-run recently of a Duke series ... basically amoral ... and working for Donald Trump. <https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2022/02/28>
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permalink #62 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 27 Mar 22 10:39
permalink #62 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 27 Mar 22 10:39
The lung-ripping reference sounds like "Werewolves of London." As it turns out, Warren Zevon was a friend, and HST dedicated his last book to him (and George Plimpton). In light of Chuck's note, I would only add that I'd like to meet his tailor. I'm not sure I can do justice to the AA-themed conversation. My friend said that the excoriation of others, which was a Thompson speciality, would quickly prompt a demand that Thompson examine his own shit. "He would get his sheets pulled down FAST," my friend said. Perhaps other tendencies could also be identified in the writing. Impulsivity? Narcissism? Grandiosity? It's easy to overgeneralize along these lines, especially when it comes to literary analysis, but as I say, there might be something there.
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permalink #63 of 126: Jack King (gjk) Sun 27 Mar 22 14:15
permalink #63 of 126: Jack King (gjk) Sun 27 Mar 22 14:15
But you also wrote, in refutation of critics and wannabe Gonzo journalists, "Equating Thompson's style with his appetites is the surest way to misunderstand it. ... Despite the hopes of wannabe journalists, there was no shortcut, pharmaceutical or otherwise, to Thompson's success." I recall Dylan Thomas candidly confessing somewhere that he did not, could not, write while drinking. The fact that Thompson *could* write with a bottomless glass of Wild Turkey next to his typewriter was a testament to dextroamphetamine as an analeptic to ethanol; difficult to balance consistently, as Didion and Mailer might could attest also. Chemicals can inspire but they also impair.
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permalink #64 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 27 Mar 22 17:27
permalink #64 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 27 Mar 22 17:27
Exactly right, Jack. I would make a similar point about his editors. He got a lot of help, especially after FLLV, but the best editorial talent in the world couldn't create a Gonzo masterpiece.
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permalink #65 of 126: Jack King (gjk) Sun 27 Mar 22 19:04
permalink #65 of 126: Jack King (gjk) Sun 27 Mar 22 19:04
You know, FLLV was inspired imagination. The DRUG STASH in the TRUNK (ether was a nice touch) was particularly inspired ("two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls [amyl nitrate]"). Apparently Acosta really did have a .357 magnum, but that's neither here nor there anymore. A lot of people carry a .357 these days for their own goddam reasons. But it's unfortunate that some people can't even try to distinguish fiction from fact. In Rolling Stone issue #100 or #101, the Grateful Dead interviews, Jerry Garcia recounted spacey kids approaching him to say, "I heard you do acid every day, so I've been doing acid every day ever since." I guess it can be pretty dismal to be confronted by your own hyperbole by innocents who took it as gospel. Kids'll do that sometimes. Ralph Steadman titled his Thompson memoir, "THE JOKE IS OVER." I say, "Live it or live with it."
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permalink #66 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Mon 28 Mar 22 04:43
permalink #66 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Mon 28 Mar 22 04:43
The reference to Acosta and his .357 reminds me to mention his place in all this. In addition to making those trips to Vegas, Acosta lured HST to Los Angeles to cover the Chicano movement and especially the death of journalist Ruben Salazar. Which means he made a direct contribution to two important Thompson stories. So direct, in fact, that Acosta figured HST owed him money, especially for FLLV. Their correspondence over that claim became very sharp, but it didn't destroy their friendship. HST helped Acosta get two of Acosta's books published by Rolling Stone's book operation, so that friendship was mutually beneficial. Abby Aguirre wrote a fine piece for The New Yorker about their relationship, and I responded in a piece for the Los Angeles Review of Books.
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permalink #67 of 126: Inkwell Host (jonl) Mon 28 Mar 22 06:24
permalink #67 of 126: Inkwell Host (jonl) Mon 28 Mar 22 06:24
Link to the Aguirre piece in The New Yorker: <https://www.newyorker.com/books/second-read/what-fear-and-loathing-in-las-vega s-owes-to-oscar-acosta>
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permalink #68 of 126: Jim Rutt (memetic) Mon 28 Mar 22 07:05
permalink #68 of 126: Jim Rutt (memetic) Mon 28 Mar 22 07:05
> a pint of raw ether When I was in college (71-75) our crew of rogues and vagabonds were sporadically into ether for a year or so. Probably inspired second hand by FLLV. It was one helluva an interesting drug when applied correctly. I wonder if HST ever actually did it?
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permalink #69 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Mon 28 Mar 22 09:34
permalink #69 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Mon 28 Mar 22 09:34
Thanks, Jon. And here's my comment on Abby's piece. https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/strange-rumblings-the-prickly-but-producti ve-friendship-between-hunter-thompson-and-oscar-acosta/ I contacted Abby privately and was impressed by her knowledge of both men and their work. Much of her original draft was cut, so some of that expertise wasn't reflected in the published version. Hard to say about the ether. I don't recall any direct references in his correspondence. Of course, HST also mentions adrenochrome in FLLV.
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permalink #70 of 126: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 28 Mar 22 15:35
permalink #70 of 126: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 28 Mar 22 15:35
Through a mutual friend, I once spent an evening with Richard Boyle and Dr. Rock, the models for the characters of the same names in Oliver Stone's "Salvador" (though the movie's Dr. Rock role had an admixture from another real-life character). Like Acosta Dr. Rock was bitter that Stone hadn't paid him for using him as a model for Jim Belushi's character.
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permalink #71 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Mon 28 Mar 22 15:47
permalink #71 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Mon 28 Mar 22 15:47
That sounds like an interesting evening! A friend of mine, Craig Pyes, crossed paths with Boyle in El Salvador.
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permalink #72 of 126: Gary Burnett (jera) Wed 30 Mar 22 07:36
permalink #72 of 126: Gary Burnett (jera) Wed 30 Mar 22 07:36
One thing that seems clear to me from reading the book is that, although HST was certainly an innovative writer with a very distinctive voice, he's not without precedent in certain ways, and that his style (or his overall approach) does have some antecedents both in journalism and in literature. And, importantly, in the overlap between the two. Could you tell us about that a bit?
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permalink #73 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Wed 30 Mar 22 10:00
permalink #73 of 126: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Wed 30 Mar 22 10:00
Good point, Gary. I wanted to present HST as a rare talent with many heroes and precursors, not to mention skilled collaborators. Jack London and George Orwell were doing participatory reporting long before the New Journalism. Thompson adopted London's model of authorship, which was to post up far from literary capitals, mix journalism and fiction, and convert his adventures into bestselling works. Orwell's work blurred the lines between journalism, memoir, and fiction. Henry Miller was an inspiration. So were Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Twain, and Nelson Algren. Mailer was a big influence. HST's project also owes something to Kerouac, though I hesitate to call him a hero. It would take a while to show exactly how each of these writers--and others, including Conrad--shaped Thompson's body of work. But I think the best way to understand HST's work and achievement is to put him in that company. Not all of his heroes were American, but I think his work was deep in the American grain. He also benefited enormously from skilled collaborators, especially Steadman, but that list also has to include McWilliams, Hinckle, and Wenner. For me, considering his influences and collaborators doesn't make him less original or unique; rather, it shows how seriously he took his project. For the casual reader, that's easy to overlook.
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permalink #74 of 126: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Wed 30 Mar 22 11:16
permalink #74 of 126: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Wed 30 Mar 22 11:16
Some of the pieces Jimmy Breslin wrote when he and Mailer made their runs for public office were hilarious.
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permalink #75 of 126: Gary Burnett (jera) Wed 30 Mar 22 11:19
permalink #75 of 126: Gary Burnett (jera) Wed 30 Mar 22 11:19
<karish> slipped. Two quick comments: I was struck by his reference to Kerouac as "an ass, a mystic boob with intellectual myopia." And the whole interaction with Nelson Algren about using big swaths of A Walk on The Wild Side in his Hell's Angels book is fascinating in this regard. The whole issue of originality vs. derivation/borrowing/quoting/plagiarising has always been of interest to me, across a wide range of 20th century writing.
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