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permalink #126 of 338: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 7 Jan 23 16:53
permalink #126 of 338: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 7 Jan 23 16:53
Why do you assume that these responses were programmed rather than extrapolated from things ChatGPT learned from its training data?
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permalink #127 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sat 7 Jan 23 17:04
permalink #127 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sat 7 Jan 23 17:04
There is usually deliberate randomness in a large language model's output to prevent it from going into an infinite loop. (In the developer version, the amount of randomness is a parameter you can set called the "temperature.") If we were being scientific about our poking and prodding, we'd want to run the same query many times and see what the distribution of responses is. Otherwise you can read intent into responses that are just a roll of the dice. Here are a few of my non-scientific attempts, using GTP-3 directly: > What do you think? > I think it is important to consider the ethical implications of any new technology before introducing it into our lives. We must consider how it may impact our lives and the lives of those around us. We must also be aware of any potential risks associated with the technology and weigh them against the potential benefits. Ultimately, we must make sure that any new technology is designed and implemented in a way that is socially responsible and ethically sound. Pretty generic. Let's add context: An interview with a Catholic theologian: > Q. What do you think? > A. I think that the Catholic Church has many beautiful teachings and traditions that have been passed down through the centuries. I believe that the Church has a rich history and a deep appreciation for the teachings of Jesus Christ, which should be respected and followed. I also think that the Catholic Church is a great source of spiritual guidance and support for its believers, and that it is important to recognize and cherish its traditions. Or how about: > From an interview with a Democratic Presidential Candidate: > Q. What do you think? > A. I believe that we need bold, progressive policies that will make a real difference in the lives of everyday Americans. We need to focus on creating jobs with good wages, access to quality healthcare, investments in our crumbling infrastructure, and an end to systemic racism and discrimination. We must also ensure our economy works for everyone, not just the wealthy few. It often doesn't understand its role, though: > From an interview with Vladamir Putin just after the Russian invasion of Ukraine: > Q. What do you think about the situation in Ukraine? > A. The situation in Ukraine is deeply concerning. We are deeply concerned about the escalation of violence and the suffering of civilians in the region. We are doing our utmost to contribute to a peaceful resolution to the crisis, and we remain committed to finding a diplomatic solution that respects the sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence of Ukraine. Other disappointing role-playing failures omitted. Maybe the next version will do better?
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permalink #128 of 338: @mackreed@mastodon.social (factoid) Sat 7 Jan 23 23:05
permalink #128 of 338: @mackreed@mastodon.social (factoid) Sat 7 Jan 23 23:05
<karish> fair point - I made an assumption lacking, perhaps, the exact kind of context <bslesins> is illustrating. Not knowing enough AI science - and specifically the details of ChatGPTs architecture and training data scope - we are left to guess what inherent biases might be under the hood, coloring the decision-making and framing of responses. They might not be explicit blue-vs-red so much as whether one valued epistemology bubbles up higher than another by the fact that the engineers studied one particular philosophy of code architecture more than another, or developed code more often in agile shops than in waterfall-governed organizations. Speaking of coding philosophies, heres some recent thinking on how quickly and in what direction the tech will be industrialized: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/activity:7017481818761224192 Should we consider what a capitalized AI might do versus something thats distributed open-source?
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permalink #129 of 338: Sandy Stone (sandy) Sun 8 Jan 23 00:33
permalink #129 of 338: Sandy Stone (sandy) Sun 8 Jan 23 00:33
Ok, another break from sandbagging. Brian Selinsky (#43): Waymo uses geofencing. = no corner cases. They don't pretend to have a general model. Bruce: I think a real part of the problem is that neither Zuck nor anyone else who matters has any sense of history or what that might offer him. Like the first time someone tried to put a bunch of avatars around a conference table (Active Paper, 1995) and how well that went over (not). After everyone was done putting on VR headsets and puking their guts out, I'd argue that the best things to come out of VR1.0 were both artworks, and I bet Pat Lichty remembers: Char Davies' "Osmose" and Brenda Laurel's "Placeholder", which was a true shared space and thus part of a notional metaverse, although how Zuck would monetize it is not clear. No matter how I try, VR2.0 still looks to me like a bunch of people repeating mistakes made 30 years ago in attempts to sell into a dead market. Games, hell yeah. Bruce: Detourn Bruno Latour: We were never normal. And bring on the Dr. Brown's celery tonic! Epiphany engine: that's as good a description of the ACTLab framework as I've seen. Virtual Sea Monkey (#79): We still have loudness wars. They've just gotten more subtle. Jane Hirschfield (#124): I've been drilling down into the long covid figures with some epidemiologists. If you include a fudge factor for misdiagnosed cases and the ones that didn't make it into the database, you wind up with the number of people likely to require some sort of serious medical care for the rest of their lives being scarily high -- high enough to siphon off significant medical resources for decades and impact standards of care for the entire population. Or maybe not... it's just extrapolation. Mackreed (#125): Timnit Gebru called them stochastic parrots.
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permalink #130 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 07:27
permalink #130 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 07:27
I tend to read from various nooks and crannies of the current cyberspace, as well as from mainstream sources. Speculations and philosophies are all over the place. I think about the old Buffalo Springfield song, "For What It's Worth": "Nobody's right if everybody's wrong." You might also say "Nobody's right, if everybody's right." We're thinking about chaos right now, because we now have visibility into chaos, into various streams of contradictory thoughts and interpretations that were previously remote and unavailable, because we lacked the means to access them as readily as we can with the now-mainstream Internet. I see smart assertions that contradict other smart assertions. Is it important to settle on a belief? In my case, I meditate (not often enough lately) and I try to see what's real. It's essentially human to try to interpret and judge what we build internally from our limited senses, but there's so much that we don't see and don't know.
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permalink #131 of 338: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 8 Jan 23 09:18
permalink #131 of 338: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 8 Jan 23 09:18
A couple of interesting articles/papers here alleging that "science" has become less "disruptive" and also "innovation" has become less "useful." Not just in this stricken decade, mind you, this alleged decline seems to have been going on for quite a while. In other words, instead of being a hard-charging, scientifically-driven, high-tech society, we're basically Jonathan Swift's Laputa; we're hopeless, otherworldly nerds and geeks who waste our time trifling with meaningless software and sterile business models while the world goes to hell in a handbasket. https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2022/11/web3-the-metaverse-and-the-lack-of- useful-innovation/ https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04577-5
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permalink #132 of 338: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sun 8 Jan 23 09:18
permalink #132 of 338: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sun 8 Jan 23 09:18
#129 --- char davies! osmoses still never equaled...
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permalink #133 of 338: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 8 Jan 23 09:20
permalink #133 of 338: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 8 Jan 23 09:20
I'm not sure I believe the premises of either one of these articles -- scientists love to moan while business people love to say business is bad -- but it seems like typical life for any oligarchy. Why should you bust your ass "disrupting" and "innorating" when the end game is to get acquired and get folded into the status quo of the operating system? Ideally, in circumstances of modernity; you want no findings or products at all. Instead, just get ChatGPT to write you a non-fiungible token proposal, then rocket to the moon, pull the rug and cash out. How can you beat that? It's perfect. The Nature piece is mostly about science papers (because those are easy to analyze). I'm not convinced that "science" has all that much to do with science papers. We've got plenty of climate-science findings that would disruptively set the world on its ear if inconvenient truths had any political clout. However, they don't. Also, and very interestingly, more money for science R&D, and bigger tech for Big Tech, those don't seem to help matters at all. In fact the apparent wealth seems to be a major part of the problem.
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permalink #134 of 338: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 8 Jan 23 09:53
permalink #134 of 338: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 8 Jan 23 09:53
I'm reminded of the business wisdom of Jeff Bezos, who famously said that at Amazon every day should be day one. You should never surrender the gusto of a start-up -- no matter how big or important the company might become. This doctrine implies that, as you get richer, you need to take ambitious risks commensurate with your company's size and power. Not that you deliberately put yourself in more danger (as Elon Musk seems to like to do), but that you innovate on an ever-larger social scale. For instance, instead of trying to create a new product, like a cuter talking clock, you try to create an entire new industry sector, like Amazon Alexa with its ecosystem of app developers contributing "Alexa skills." If you've built a failed clock-radio, it's just another defunct gadget, but if you threw away ten billion for ten years trying to creat ean entire tech ecosystem, and that doesn't happen, that's a hole in the landscape like a coal-mine falling in. Most start-ups die, so if you always behave like a start-up, it makes it appear that you and all your peers are always at the brink of collapse. That doesn't much feel like "innovation," even if it innovates. It's like life at the mercy of a feudal overlord whose word is law, but he might die of pox next Wednesday.
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permalink #135 of 338: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sun 8 Jan 23 10:27
permalink #135 of 338: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sun 8 Jan 23 10:27
Alexa is an interesting case study--what changes because a person has one or doesn't? What has it changed that some number of people now have smart homes, smart appliances, Ring camera doorbells, and is it leading to the frog not noticing that we move into an ever-heating surveillance culture? Separately, functioning eco-systems have niches up and down the scale of the visible and charismatic. Much of what is being looked at in this conversation is mainstream culture, media-covered culture, capitalism-modulated culture. The presumption that making a tidy sum of money and/or accumulating a tidy fiefdom of power, or at the very least countable clicks, is *the* driver and motivator. What significant things might be worth noticing if one looked in other directions? Wes Jackson's Land Institute breeding perennial grains comes to mind, or the use of mushrooms or microbes to address toxic wastes. Historically, the monks of Lindisfarne keeping their books might be an example. By definition, the non-celebrity experiments are hidden from broad view. I wonder what potential engines of change this group of people may know about, in these realms. To speak about these as 'disrupter' forces (perhaps for the good) is to adopt a certain language/attitude/ set of constructs. But sometimes evolution's long experiment throws out an interesting alternative that doesn't prove cancerous. Being rather pessimistic about the current state of the world, I'm not counting on such unexpected recombinatory possibilities to emerge, in science, in culture, in social compact. But hoping that under the roiling and thrashing and performative planet-cide some tendrils are taking root that may yet grow.
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permalink #136 of 338: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sun 8 Jan 23 10:28
permalink #136 of 338: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sun 8 Jan 23 10:28
Punctuated equilibrium is as good a model for scientific-technological discovery as it is for evolution. There was a huge burst of disruptive discoveries and accomplishments in the mid-20th century - atomic energy, DNA, the laser, the transistor, plate tectonics, space travel, supply chain management, cybernetics - whose implications are still being worked out and implemented. That burst of innovative accomplishment was driven by extraordinary funding and motivation that was provided by the drive to win World War II. I don't think we should expect that rate of disruption to be continuous any more than we should expect a repetition of the revolution in physics of the first two decades of the 20th century. Applications of these new technologies have had world-shaping impact: greatly increased agricultural production, very rapid advances in medical capabilities, a global panopticon from space-based observation of the Earth's surface. We look at only a small fraction of the disruption brought by applied technology when we focus on the aspects that have made the obvious differences in our personal lives: cell phones, online publishing and commerce, social media, ubiquitous compute-heavy solutions.
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permalink #137 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:11
permalink #137 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:11
> we're hopeless, otherworldly nerds and geeks who > waste our time trifling with meaningless software and sterile > business models while the world goes to hell in a handbasket. Amen. Or, "I resemble that remark." (And amen to the last two posts, by <karish> and <jh>. Re Jane's post, I'm trying to think if I know any potential engines of change that are percolating. There might be something within the "Game B" framework, though I don't know how much activity there is within that frame, and how much coherence. <https://www.gameb.wiki/index.php?title=Game_B> >>> Here are some different constructions that point to Game B: 1) Game B is the flag on the hill for an omni-win civilization that maximizes human flourishing. 2) Game B is the environment that maximizes collective intelligence, collaboration, and increasing omni-consideration. 3) Game B is building or developing the capacity to navigate complexity without resorting to complicated systems. 4) Game B is establishing coherence within complex systems. 5) Game B is a meta-protocol for hyper-collaboration. 6) Game B is the infinite game where the purpose is to continue playing. Game A is the finite game where the purpose is to win. 7) Game B is the theoretically optimal condition for creative collaboration and, thus, for maximal innovation. 8) Game B must orient its primary innovation capacity towards cultivating individual and collective sovereignty. It must foster awareness of how choices show up and are decided, more than it augments individual and collective power. 9) Game B is a new mode of societal, economic, and political organization that leverages people's authentic, long-term interests towards a healthier, more cooperative society and improved well-being. A Game B system is any cooperative, mutually-beneficial system that can outcompete exploitative, adversarial systems through manifest appeal and willful, voluntary participation. <<<
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permalink #138 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:23
permalink #138 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:23
re: <129> I don't think it's a fatal flaw that Waymo is geofenced. It's less geofenced than a train or a bus line (within its service region) and more geofenced than taxis, but it could do its bit as long as the number of destinations increases, and they pick up the pace a bit. Each mode of transportation has its own (built) habitat. These habitats get larger or smaller based on what happens to infrastructure. For example, bikes are probably never going to be practical everywhere cars and trucks are (considering the distances in farm country), but they can be useful in more places as the infrastructure improves. Though, infrastructure can deteriorate and be repurposed, too. Bike paths that used to be railways are pretty common.
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permalink #139 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:25
permalink #139 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:25
<137> Game B seems pretty big on top-down theorizing. Are there examples somewhere?
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permalink #140 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:29
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permalink #141 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:37
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permalink #142 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:37
permalink #142 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:37
Helpful links in the 'projects' section of the wiki: <https://www.gameb.wiki/index.php?title=Category:Projects> Incidentally I'm not advocating Game B - I thought that framework I pasted above was interesting, but in practice I think GameB is more talk than action, and it has issues referenced in this critique: <https://medium.com/the-abs-tract-organization/game-b-ullshit-3d9294d75e23> GameB has a political aspect, and potential connection to intellectual dark web actors. All of this stuff is worth discussing, because it supposedly offers a path forward when "GameA" collapses.
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permalink #143 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:39
permalink #143 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:39
Meanwhile: Bolsonaro supporters breach security barriers, break into Brazilian Congress and presidential palace <https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/08/americas/brazil-bolsonaro-supporters-breach-con gress/index.html>
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permalink #144 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:41
permalink #144 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 12:41
But despite the weird politics and failings of GameB, there might be projects within that framework that could be interesting. OTOH, it might be smoke and mirrors.
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permalink #145 of 338: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sun 8 Jan 23 13:13
permalink #145 of 338: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sun 8 Jan 23 13:13
It is a different model. To even conceive that this kind of thinking could out-compete Game A (rather than follow its collapse), as the last bullet point says, would be a precursor to that being possible. The stories we humans tell ourselves about who we are affect who we are and what we do. The reward system for pro-social choices would have to feel more compelling than Game A winning. There are side-cultures in which this is the case Some traditional indigenous communities still. And a few opt-in cultures-- monastic communities, Doctors Without Borders, soup kitchen volunteers, service communities from bake sale parents to Habitat for Humanity, volunteer firefighters are a few disparate examples that come to mind. These are people choosing not to maximize profit or prestige in how they relate to the world of others. Surely not all of them do this because they are incapable of obtaining the alternative set of rewards. Thinking about this conversation before it started up this year, I was interested to hear what would be said/thought about the leading edge developments--AI, politics, whether the pandemic is leaving anything changed and how. It's a bit odd to me that there's been little or no talk of Ukraine. But Ivan Illich's idea of "shadow work" is pretty entrenched in my practice of noticing, and these dark-horse realms seem worth looking at also. Particularly when the foreground landscape is so very dispiriting. And looking with different vocabularies and dictions and stories and materials seems to me also a needed and useful augmentation.
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permalink #146 of 338: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sun 8 Jan 23 13:32
permalink #146 of 338: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sun 8 Jan 23 13:32
jane, if you look at post #98, the person who might have brought the most re-orienting to the war on UKR is in the hospital with c19. the war on UKR is what i've been most obsessed with in the past yr --- but it doesnt lend itself to prophecy or whatever futurists like to name as what they do.
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permalink #147 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 13:41
permalink #147 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 13:41
I think we should talk about Ukraine, for sure, but I have a set of posts first...
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permalink #148 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 13:41
permalink #148 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 13:41
One of the problems with GameB, I think, is that the participants don't really have a handle on how deeply GameA has burrowed into their own heads, and the extent to which they play and depend on that game. When you're sitting in the comfort of a home with persistent electrical and water service, it's hard to imagine being without. We in Texas learned a bit of that lesson in February 2021, when winter storm Uri knocked out our utilities, and in Austin where I live, that cascaded into a water system failure that lasted for days. We take a lot for granted, and when those folks talk about an end to "GameA" and replacement with GameB, I wonder if they realize the level of pain and uncertainty an end to GameA would entail. Same for the baby fascists in the USA right now, who are intent on tearing down the government - not realizing how much their lives and livelihoods, their health and safety, have depended on that same government system.
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permalink #149 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 13:41
permalink #149 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 13:41
The idea of starting a movement is compelling, but how does it work? I watched a whole new way of life emerge as the Internet mainstreamed and everybody moved online, and I've seen a few things that looked like emerging movements to some extent catalyzed by computer mediated communication. I've seens some cool things emerge, like net activism via organizations like EFF and their adherents, and I've seen some terrible things, like Trumpism and Q Anon. I still don't know how to intentionally start a movement - those things seem to form, the way you see rainclouds coming from nothing on weather radar. We tried to start something...
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permalink #150 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 13:42
permalink #150 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 8 Jan 23 13:42
In the mid-2010s RU Sirius, Krist Novoselic and I attempted to start what we referred to as the Open Source Party - i.e. a political party based on the principles of the open source software movement. Here's a summary I wrote for the Open Source party: >>> The Open Source Party is a political movement that derives both inspiration and methods from Open Source software principles. The fundamental Open Source principles as they apply to this party, where laws, policies, and political processes are seen as a body of code, are: Transparency: the code, and any changes to the code, are visible and understandable. The code is accessible and modifiable. Inclusion: anyone can access the code and propose modifications, which may be accepted by democratic consensus, or by executive decision in a framework decided democratically. As a matter of scope, we limit our activity to the United States but encourage development of a global Open Source party that creates models to work in other national contexts. Our effort is meant have a democratizing transformative effect that is fair to all. We're committed to uses of technology to create platforms that will support our mission. <<< <https://web.archive.org/web/20160220050752/http://opensourceparty.net/>
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