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permalink #326 of 338: Hanna Kovenock (hakoveno) Thu 19 Jan 23 11:11
permalink #326 of 338: Hanna Kovenock (hakoveno) Thu 19 Jan 23 11:11
Going back to my lane now
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permalink #327 of 338: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 19 Jan 23 11:24
permalink #327 of 338: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 19 Jan 23 11:24
Rebecca Solnit has a long piece in The Guardian cautioning against despair and urging a reframe of the narrative around climate change: "Every crisis is in part a storytelling crisis. This is as true of climate chaos as anything else. We are hemmed in by stories that prevent us from seeing, or believing in, or acting on the possibilities for change. Some are habits of mind, some are industry propaganda. Sometimes, the situation has changed but the stories havent, and people follow the old versions, like outdated maps, into dead ends. We need to leave the age of fossil fuel behind, swiftly and decisively. But what drives our machines wont change until we change what drives our ideas. The visionary organiser adrienne maree brown wrote not long ago that there is an element of science fiction in climate action: We are shaping the future we long for and have not yet experienced. I believe that we are in an imagination battle. In order to do what the climate crisis demands of us, we have to find stories of a livable future, stories of popular power, stories that motivate people to do what it takes to make the world we need. Perhaps we also need to become better critics and listeners, more careful about what we take in and whos telling it, and what we believe and repeat, because stories can give power or they can take it away. To change our relationship to the physical world to end an era of profligate consumption by the few that has consequences for the many means changing how we think about pretty much everything: wealth, power, joy, time, space, nature, value, what constitutes a good life, what matters, how change itself happens. As the climate journalist Mary Heglar writes, we are not short on innovation. Weve got loads of ideas for solar panels and microgrids. While we have all of these pieces, we dont have a picture of how they come together to build a new world. For too long, the climate fight has been limited to scientists and policy experts. While we need their skills, we also need so much more. When I survey the field, its clear that what we desperately need is more artists. What the climate crisis is, what we can do about it, and what kind of a world we can have is all about what stories we tell and whose stories are heard." https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/jan/12/rebecca-solnit-climate-crisis-pop ular-imagination-why-we-need-new-stories
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permalink #328 of 338: Hanna Kovenock (hakoveno) Thu 19 Jan 23 12:51
permalink #328 of 338: Hanna Kovenock (hakoveno) Thu 19 Jan 23 12:51
Thank you for framing my rant so generously.
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permalink #329 of 338: Bert Stammerjohan (bstamerjon) Thu 19 Jan 23 13:05
permalink #329 of 338: Bert Stammerjohan (bstamerjon) Thu 19 Jan 23 13:05
Daniel Quinn talked on this subject in Ishmael and other books. There came a point where one culture of humanity decided to conquer and rule the earth as if we were the end point of evolution. We are of that culture. Until we stop living this way, disaster looms.
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permalink #330 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Thu 19 Jan 23 16:45
permalink #330 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Thu 19 Jan 23 16:45
Heres an off-Well response to <4> The Permaweird There is no polycrisis, only nostalgia for an imagined present <https://studio.ribbonfarm.com/p/the-permaweird> > Unlike Bruce, Im not surprised. This continuity and mutation into long-term shambolic debacles (though I would challenge the debacle part) is precisely what Ive been going on about with my notion of the Permaweird. Arguably, once youre in a regime of long-term shambolic evolution, you cant really think of it as a crisis at all. > The Permaweird leaves us in a perennial state of frustrated urgency; a cortisol-saturated state of being with nothing to do and nowhere to go. And the longer it persists, the more we begin to harbor the growing suspicion that perhaps there is no crisis as such. That for the most part, despite the snowballing weirdness, there is nothing in the circumstances for which a literal crisis response, in a biochemical fight-or-flight sense, is appropriate, either at an individual or collective level. > Things like climate change and the culture war are not even crises in a figurative sense. They are phenomena that exist on social scales we are simply not used to inhabiting at all, in crisis mode or otherwise. Our intuitions and frames from smaller scales do not apply. The scale issue rings true to me. Im more comfortable thinking about water shortages in the American West than about global warming. Although thats already an enormous scale and its politically very difficult, I can imagine what adjustments need to be made. One victory condition would be some kind of messy compromise among the states that get water from the Colorado river basin. It might happen at the last minute, but it will have to happen when the water starts getting cut off seasonally. It doesnt seem religious. Im not sure what to think when activists block coal mining in Lützerath, Germany. In human, local terms, they are blocking huge machines from doing enormous damage to the land. (The residents have been bought out and left already.) But its unclear what the stakes are for the world? Germany is apparently already getting out of coal mining, though its been delayed. There were plans to destroy five other villages that have been scrapped. In one sense, the Greens have already won there, and this is just a mopping up exercise, one final battle and the expansion of coal mining is over there, regardless of which side wins. In another sense, it probably doesnt really make a dent in CO2 emissions because German coal plants will still need to burn coal from somewhere else. So it seems like a real, concrete action of stopping enormous machines has been made symbolic? Other calls to action that people make about global warming are often extremely vague. We must stop living this way doesnt have an action plan associated with it. The things we can do personally often seem only symbolically connected to climate change, sort of like pressing a walk button thats been disabled.
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permalink #331 of 338: Howard Rheingold (hlr) Mon 23 Jan 23 16:27
permalink #331 of 338: Howard Rheingold (hlr) Mon 23 Jan 23 16:27
Bruce mentioned Robert David Steele, the Q-anon, anti-vaxxer, ex-CIA guy who died of Covid, denying it to the end. In the early 1990s, when I was editor of Whole Earth Review, he proposed and I commissioned an article on what he was calling "open source intelligence." He later invited Barlow and me to speak to intelligence people about the idea. I visited his house. He lived in Langley, not far from HQ. His wife was also CIA. He said she was in the drugs division. I was too polite to ask if it was the part that interdicted drugs or the part that sold drugs. His den had pictures on the wall of him with what looked like teenagers in some Central American country, holding machine guns. He visited me a couple times. I took him to breakfast, where he drank 3 glasses of wine at 9 AM. Then I didn't hear from him for decades. About 3 or 4 years ago, he showed up. He and I and former Wellite Are We Really took a walk. During the walk, Really and I exchanged wide-eyed glances as Steele went on about his elaborate anti-semitic conspiracy theories. Eek. Then I heard about his death.
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permalink #332 of 338: Michael Brockington (jonl) Tue 24 Jan 23 14:38
permalink #332 of 338: Michael Brockington (jonl) Tue 24 Jan 23 14:38
(Via email from Michael Brockington - posted late, originally received January 15) Thank-you, everyone, for an ever-stimulating start to the year. As a post-script, I thought an experimental investigation of Chat-GPT's sense of humour might be worthwhile. I can report that comedians (and poets?) have little to fear for now. Humour is subjective, of course, but these results could at best be characterized as lame. They bear some statistical resemblance to humour, without actually being funny. On a par with dad-jokes, perhaps? Note also that a google search turns up some of these jokes verbatim... The dismal results: >>Tell me a joke about iguanas Why did the iguana break up with his girlfriend? Because she was always too cold-blooded for him. >>make a pun about bananas Why did the banana go to the doctor? Because it wasn't peeling well. [plagiarized verbatim from the internet] >>demonstrate wordplay about the cold war Why did the Soviet Union and the United States have a cold war? Because they were too chilly to warm up to each other. >>tell me a joke about an onion and a drainpipe Why did the onion go to the drainpipe? To get a little privacy while it cried. >>make a joke Why don't scientists trust atoms? Because they make up everything. [plagiarized verbatim from the internet] >>demonstrate witty repartee about dishes Person 1: "I can't believe I have to do dishes again, it's such a chore." Person 2: "I guess you could say it's a plate full of trouble." Person 1: "Ha, at least it will be a clean slate when we're done." Person 2: "Yeah, but it's a lot of work to get to that point, it's a real grind." >>make a joke about death I'm sorry, but making a joke about death may be considered offensive or insensitive to some people. It's important to be respectful and considerate of others' feelings and beliefs. Is there anything else I could help you with? Further investigation is required, to see how chat-GPT copes with heckling.
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permalink #333 of 338: from JOHN FLY (tnf) Mon 24 Jul 23 10:34
permalink #333 of 338: from JOHN FLY (tnf) Mon 24 Jul 23 10:34
Via email from John Fly: I bleed revolution. If your only anarchist actions are related to union or- ganizing, then youâre not an anarchist, youâre a corporate puppet. Everything you do should work to subvert the current and future actions of the state and all of their tentacle corporate affiliations. If your only goal in life is to work under the orders of someone else, under someoneâs elseâs direction, with someone elseâs instructions, then youâre not a human being. Youâre a chattel cattle at best. If a corporate pig tells or wants you to do something, then you should do the exact opposite, or else youâre just a pawn in a game of global corporate chess. Every one of your actions should be both a defensive and offensive maneuver. If you defend while you attack, you become one with your true purpose, which is to dis- mantle the state and all corporate authority. If you donât think in a linear manner, then youâre not apart of their datasets, and they canât predict your next move. You operate from outside of their datasets and what they think is your next move is never your next move. Then they start to doubt their own intelligence and all the false assumptions itâs based on, and the system starts to crumble. You use any means necessary, because that is your constitutional right, just as they use any means necessary to hold onto the power they stole from you. They stole your birthright, and itâs your legal duty as an American citizen to seek a redress of your grievances, using whatever it takes. Under no pretext.
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permalink #334 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Mon 24 Jul 23 11:48
permalink #334 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Mon 24 Jul 23 11:48
>>If you defend while you attack, you become one with your true purpose, which is to dismantle the state and all corporate authority. Moving fast and breaking things hasn't exactly proven to be a good strategy for the planet. Society, like nature, abhors a vacuum. Chaos is more easily turned to brute tyranny than a cumbersome bureaucratic regime. >>If a corporate pig tells or wants you to do something, then you should do the exact opposite, or else you're just a pawn in a game of global corporate chess. I'ma keep paying my bills, and voting.
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permalink #335 of 338: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Mon 24 Jul 23 14:18
permalink #335 of 338: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Mon 24 Jul 23 14:18
Yeah as numerous wags have pointed out if you want a place without corporate or government authority you can always move to Somalia.
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permalink #336 of 338: those Andropovian bongs (rik) Tue 25 Jul 23 07:46
permalink #336 of 338: those Andropovian bongs (rik) Tue 25 Jul 23 07:46
That screed reads as if it were written by a person with no dependants.
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permalink #337 of 338: Inkwell Host (jonl) Tue 25 Jul 23 09:18
permalink #337 of 338: Inkwell Host (jonl) Tue 25 Jul 23 09:18
The 'chaos agent' project never worked. It's like you decide your house would look better without a foundation, and tore it out. What happens to the house, when you do that?
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permalink #338 of 338: Jordan is Puffball! (magdalen) Fri 28 Jul 23 13:57
permalink #338 of 338: Jordan is Puffball! (magdalen) Fri 28 Jul 23 13:57
it might be that we'd all be better off without the house, becoming nomadic, living lightly on the land. it might be better that we rebuild a better house with a solid foundation and more skylights, plus solar. but all that idealistic chaos stuff sounds pretty fucking naive to this middle-aged person. rip the house down? my kids are in there! and my aging elders! maybe let's not rip it down after all...
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