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permalink #26 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Sat 16 Mar 24 04:03
permalink #26 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Sat 16 Mar 24 04:03
Greetings y'all: Absolutely digging this conversation around the campfire about a guy who provided me at age 21 or 22, back in the early 70s, living in Montara, California with some positively life-affirming and life-changing words that altered my life arc quite substantially. To be fair, my life arc had been altered earlier when I saw my first Grateful Dead concert in 1968 but Mr. Gleasons words had that effect on my intellectual life while the music of the Grateful Dead altered for good and forever my visceral life, if I can express that way: intellectual and visceral, two different spaces, even my profile here on the WELL has Mr. Gleason quoted first and foremost. So what was it that he said or did that altered my life arc so profoundly? He came up with Gleasons Law: No matter how paranoid you are, they are always doing more than you think they are. When I read that for the very first time in the San Francisco Chronicle, I was struck dumb by the wisdom encapsulated in Gleasons Law. I was sitting over coffee and cigarettes in my kitchen in my apartment when I read those words. On some deep and profound level, I always had known this but to have it put me in those words was magic and transformational, that day. The effect, that morning, was so deep that I decided, right then and there, to write Mr. Gleason a letter expressing my deep gratitude to him for his Law. So that is what I did. I sat down and wrote Mr. Gleason a letter in care of the SF Chronicle. At this late remove, I do not recall what words I used precisely, back then but I do know I expressed my heartfelt thanks to him for publishing Gleasons Law. I do recall that I wrote about the great burden that had been lifted from my shoulders when I initially read those words. In other words, I always knew this, viscerally for a very long time but it took Gleasons Law to make it known to me, intellectually. Boy Howdy, did it ever! I do not remember how I worded my gratitude to him but I sure was grateful to him and thanked him profusely in a short letter. I wrote a letter, I mailed in the...mailed it in the air indeed-e I wrote a letter, I mailed in the air You may know by that I've got a friend somewhere Viola Lee Blues lyric As per usual, back in the day, you would always put your return address in the top left-hand of the envelope which I did and addressed to Mr. Gleason in care of the SF Chronicle. So some time passed and I did not really think about my letter. I was still trying to fully grok Gleasons Law. Lo and behold, the mail arrived one day and there was letter back to me from Mr. Gleason where he thanked me for my letter and some words of encouragement from him. This physical hard copy of his letter is gone and lost in the sands of time so I have nothing but my memory of this interaction to say one way or the other. But I do trust my memory about certain events and happenings and this is one of them. The Other One is about Altamont where me and my buddies witnessed some mind-blowing shit but left the concert immediately after the Jefferson Airplanes interrupted set and did not look back, that day. Anywhoo, I just wanted to tell my story here about Mr. Gleason and how I hold him in high esteem to this very day.
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permalink #27 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Sat 16 Mar 24 04:36
permalink #27 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Sat 16 Mar 24 04:36
I love this conversation! My main goal with the book was to bring renewed attention to Gleason's impact on the culture of his time. His ideas are more relevant than ever during this period when democracy is under fire and music journalism struggles to get its bearings in the digital age. And I'm learning so much from your accounts!
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permalink #28 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sat 16 Mar 24 06:30
permalink #28 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sat 16 Mar 24 06:30
Other boomer culture shapers, as per Paulina in #24, might be Alan Watts (b. 1915), Lawrence Ferlinghetti (1919), Pauline Kael (1919), Jack Kerouac (1922), and Tom Donahue (1928). Does Buckminster Fuller (b. 1895) count? Lots born in the 1930s, of course: Bill Graham (1931), Robert Scheer (1936), Hunter Thompson (1937), Stewart Brand (1938), Warren Hinckle (1938), etc. But I think of Gleason, Graham, and Donahue as the relevant elders in the Bay Area when Rolling Stone was founded.
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permalink #29 of 74: Gary Lambert (almanac) Sat 16 Mar 24 09:34
permalink #29 of 74: Gary Lambert (almanac) Sat 16 Mar 24 09:34
Relevant elders indeed. It's always been my belief that the first great flowering of the Bay Area tock scene never could have been as effective and influential as it was without the advocacy of a respected music journalist like Ralph, the visionary radio programming vision of Tom and the business acumen and drive of Bill (although great credit is also due to Chet Helms and the Family Dog, a then-vibrant underground press and numerous other players).
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permalink #30 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sat 16 Mar 24 11:13
permalink #30 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sat 16 Mar 24 11:13
Yes, Chet Helms for sure. Not in the same category, but a sympathetic elder and shrewd observer was Theodore Roszak, who popularized the term "counter culture." He gave the hippies a fair hearing when lots of writers were dismissing or ridiculing them. Don might say that goes double for RJG.
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permalink #31 of 74: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 16 Mar 24 11:43
permalink #31 of 74: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 16 Mar 24 11:43
tom donahue! it was a time i think when people were less divided by age than 'were you en rapport?' total tangent: my outrage at the 'ok boomer' meme...
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permalink #32 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Sun 17 Mar 24 04:27
permalink #32 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Sun 17 Mar 24 04:27
A couple of corrections are in order wrt #26 in this topic about my post: In my profile page, RLG and Gleasons Law are listed second only to HST and his oft-quoted line about turning pro.. And I should have said..when I lived in El Grenada, just down the street from Montara.. And I may have my dates a little off, meaning the publication date of that column where RLG expressed his Law..so I pose this question to you, Don, in your archives do you have a cite to that column publication in the SF Chronicle? The only reason I ask is because it would provide me with a personal temporal marker for my time living in El Granada, just asking out of curiosity..it may be a bit obscure and difficult to retrieve so if that is the case, please ignore Now back to your regularly scheduled programming
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permalink #33 of 74: Donn Harris (dkh67) Sun 17 Mar 24 06:55
permalink #33 of 74: Donn Harris (dkh67) Sun 17 Mar 24 06:55
Just purchased gleason's "sf sound" paperback - a collector's item now and there are a few of the paperbacks still circulating. Never ever knew about the book, so thanks for the info. Knowing Warren Hinckle and his fiery persona, I have no doubt he and gleason would be in a battle at ramparts. But we got rolling stone as a result of that, hard to argue with the outcome.
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permalink #34 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Mon 18 Mar 24 15:02
permalink #34 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Mon 18 Mar 24 15:02
Alex, sorry, but I didn't come across that column in my research. I would love to read it. This would be a good time to plug the SF Chronicle archives. It's behind a paywall but reasonable. Effective search engine.
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permalink #35 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Tue 19 Mar 24 03:11
permalink #35 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Tue 19 Mar 24 03:11
Thanking you for that response to my post about RLG and how fundamentally, RLG changed my life arc at a very young age.. Will take your advice and use the paywalled archives to search out the temporal marker for that column or article.. If I find it, I will email you with it so you can see it, as well (if this discussion has ended here)
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permalink #36 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Tue 19 Mar 24 11:26
permalink #36 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Tue 19 Mar 24 11:26
To my fellow threadites: What do you think about the state of music journalism today? How does your familiarity with Gleason's work affect your views of contemporary writers (if at all)? As you may know, it caused quite a stir when Pitchfork announced it would be folded into Gentlemen's Quarterly. Music journalism is back into public consciousness, with a sense of nostalgia for 1960s music writing. Did Gleason provide a model for today?
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permalink #37 of 74: Gary Lambert (almanac) Tue 19 Mar 24 19:25
permalink #37 of 74: Gary Lambert (almanac) Tue 19 Mar 24 19:25
Hi again... sorry to have strayed away from my interviewing duties here for a bit. I just came off a string of very busy days and late nights out. I will say that all those nights involved live music, so I'd like to think Ralph wouldn't mind! As for your question: I must admit there haven't been a lot of music journalism I've been reading very regularly of late, and can't think of any music writers that come close to Ralph's level of inspiration or influence on my listening. Which is not to say that there aren't good, smart writers out there, but the field is more diffuse with the proliferation of blogs, podcasts and the like. And like so many people in an era when the influence of print journalism as a tastemaker continues to erode, I find myself turning to other means of music discovery.
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permalink #38 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Wed 20 Mar 24 04:37
permalink #38 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Wed 20 Mar 24 04:37
Gary, you highlight the importance of understanding the context in which Gleason worked. It was the age of print journalism. By the mid-1960s, there were only two somewhat independent taste cultures - jazz and rock. Interestingly, though, by writing a near-daily newspaper column, Gleason approximated today's online 24-7 information output immediacy. When he started writing professionally in the 1940s, the context was different. He wrote for jazz fanzines, the predecessors of 60s rock fanzines. It was a niche network of hardcore hot jazz followers.
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permalink #39 of 74: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Wed 20 Mar 24 08:02
permalink #39 of 74: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Wed 20 Mar 24 08:02
In the UK publication Mojo, I've been finding the kind of writing I came to appreciate in the 60s-70s via magazines like Rolling Stone and Crawdaddy, often about the same bands, and certainly about the same kinds of music. Deep coverage, lots of detail about the people and the music. I use the Mojo review section the way I used to use Rolling Stone reviews to help me find the best new music. (Today's advantage: with streaming you can try anything and everything, and build a massive library of the best stuff.)
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permalink #40 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Thu 21 Mar 24 02:05
permalink #40 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Thu 21 Mar 24 02:05
Don, can you tell us more about RJGs political views? He seemed quite sure that rock music would usher in an age of political progress. He couldnt seem to imagine that, as Peter Coyote says, hippies would win all the cultural battles and lose all the political ones.
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permalink #41 of 74: david gault (dgault) Thu 21 Mar 24 04:41
permalink #41 of 74: david gault (dgault) Thu 21 Mar 24 04:41
My recollection is that Hinckle made that point over and over, as it was happening. So Gleason either wasn't listening, or rejected it. It was pretty obvious to me at the time, as someone who was radicalized by my probable future in a body bad in a rice paddy.
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permalink #42 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Thu 21 Mar 24 05:36
permalink #42 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Thu 21 Mar 24 05:36
I should add that his prediction was something of a useful fiction insofar as it launched a lot of influential journalism.
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permalink #43 of 74: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Thu 21 Mar 24 06:25
permalink #43 of 74: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Thu 21 Mar 24 06:25
It did seem - at least for a while there - that music and the politics of liberation were deeply entwined.
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permalink #44 of 74: david gault (dgault) Thu 21 Mar 24 06:55
permalink #44 of 74: david gault (dgault) Thu 21 Mar 24 06:55
Reminds me of the review of "Blows Against the Empire" in (I think) Rolling Stone. "The Empire can rest easy if this represents the current threat."
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permalink #45 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Thu 21 Mar 24 09:18
permalink #45 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Thu 21 Mar 24 09:18
About Warren Hinckle. He did disagree with RJG about the counterculture and its music. Which is why Gleason and Wenner started Rolling Stone. But Warren was also unwilling to credit RS for anything.
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permalink #46 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Thu 21 Mar 24 14:05
permalink #46 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Thu 21 Mar 24 14:05
Peter, That's what Gleason wanted to see: the counterculture win the culture war. Based on Plato's writings, he believed that music could transform society and politics. Although he was a Democrat influenced by C. Wright Mills and the New Left, Gleason distrusted politics. He advocated for Black empowerment and supported radical community protest as the best means of achieving it. Thought Malcolm X was a more effective leader than MLK. On the other hand, Gleason came to distrust White radicals like Jerry Rubin once their movement became militant. Hinckle wasn't the only Lefty who criticized Gleason and the apolitical wing of the counterculture. The SF counterculture split over this disagreement about whether music or political activism would make society more progressive. We must remember that, as a child, Gleason saw the toll the Irish Revolution had taken on his parents' homeland. He read military histories as a hobby and saw how violent revolutions often led to oppressive regimes and more violence. Growing up in Quaker-founded Chappaqua, NY, Gleason had a natural bent for pacifism. His first political activity, in the 30s, was in the antiwar movement at Columbia. So, Gleason's political impulses were tempered by his cultural impulses. As a music critic, this came naturally.
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permalink #47 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Fri 22 Mar 24 04:16
permalink #47 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Fri 22 Mar 24 04:16
Thanks, Don. I know that at one point, Wenner asked Gleason to stop writing about Nixon and politics. Which must have been tough for the only music journalist on Nixons enemies list.
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permalink #48 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Fri 22 Mar 24 04:25
permalink #48 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Fri 22 Mar 24 04:25
That admonition sure did not work when it came to Hunter S. Thompson
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permalink #49 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Fri 22 Mar 24 06:28
permalink #49 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Fri 22 Mar 24 06:28
Right, Wenner thought RJG was overlapping too much with HST. I gather the former didnt think much of the latter, but maybe Don knows more about that.
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permalink #50 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Fri 22 Mar 24 11:08
permalink #50 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Fri 22 Mar 24 11:08
I couldn't find much on what Gleason thought about Thompson. Would love to know more.
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