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permalink #51 of 74: david gault (dgault) Fri 22 Mar 24 16:08
permalink #51 of 74: david gault (dgault) Fri 22 Mar 24 16:08
I can imagine that Thompson really got on Gleason's nerves. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail came out in 73 (and was published in 72 as a running story in RS) so Gleason had to have known about Thompson riding with Nixon and talking football. Just guessing that didn't sit well. But it's just a guess.
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permalink #52 of 74: david gault (dgault) Fri 22 Mar 24 16:44
permalink #52 of 74: david gault (dgault) Fri 22 Mar 24 16:44
I just noticed that Pete Richardson had a topic here about his book on Thompson, two years ago, which I didn't post in. So I'll mention here that I met Thompson in 69 after my parents thought it would be smart to get me out of SF and into a boarding school just down the Roaring Fork River from Woody Creek and Aspen. Our ski coach had been Killy's coach earlier so we had the insane experience of skiing with Killy whenever he came to Aspen. He coached us earnestly that "the steeper it is the safe it is." As a side effect, Thompson came to the school for lectures a couple of times. I remember a classmate asking "if things are as bad as you say, why don't you just kill yourself?" In SF I'd known about Ramparts and Scanlan's through our neighbors the Howard Gossage family. This stuff was the nutritional medium of my youth and I feel lucky to have survived.
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permalink #53 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sat 23 Mar 24 05:42
permalink #53 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sat 23 Mar 24 05:42
Wow, what a roster. Theres a podcast about Howard Gossage. Will look it up if youre interested. Don, I believe I read about Gleasons antipathy for Thompson in Joe Hagans bio of Wenner. Not much detail and no citation if memory serves. Id like to know more about that, too. Maybe it was a stray comment from a family member? Or a document in the Straight Arrow papers? In the meantime, can you tell us more about the informal salon he hosted at his home in Berkeley? I dug that part of your book. Musicians, activists, journalists, etc.
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permalink #54 of 74: Lolly Lewis (lolly) Sat 23 Mar 24 07:31
permalink #54 of 74: Lolly Lewis (lolly) Sat 23 Mar 24 07:31
Im enjoying this warm bath of reminiscence...my entree into the SF music scene was through my friends at the short-lived music journal Mojo Navigator. I remember so clearly that there was a dichotomy between our affection for all the bands, most of whom were amateur in the best sense, in that although some could barely play (oops is that uncharitable?) they connected to the heart into our drugs-fueled desire to be a communal scene; as opposed to the groups who had actual skills and played at a level of musicianship that we wanted to celebrate. I think that was something that serious music writers found challenging, including RJG. I watched his attitudes shift as he began to appreciate Janis, for instance, and wanted to highlight what was happening in SF music without abandoning critical writing. Interesting conundrum. Heres a funny connection to this topic, <dgault>: was Susan Cheever still at Rocky Mountain when you were there? She was my English teacher (65-66) and it turns out she later ended up married to Hinckle.
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permalink #55 of 74: Lolly Lewis (lolly) Sat 23 Mar 24 07:34
permalink #55 of 74: Lolly Lewis (lolly) Sat 23 Mar 24 07:34
(Oops, iPad posted that a little prematurely for my grammar check, but you get the idea.)
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permalink #56 of 74: david gault (dgault) Sat 23 Mar 24 10:07
permalink #56 of 74: david gault (dgault) Sat 23 Mar 24 10:07
No, I don't remember Susan Cheever teaching there. I was only there for a year. I looked her up and noticed her marriage at that time to Robert Cowley, son of Malcom Cowley. Lots of famous parents. Reminds me of Gossage's kids. One time Howard's daughter told me "making it in America is getting your obit in Time Magazine." She achieved that, in a terrible brutal way. <richardsonpete> I'm very interested in a podcast on Howard Gossage, thanks. And I remember Gleason's changing view of Janis and BBHC. I think the Monterey Pop performance is what turned him around. I just remember being interested in what amps they used...
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permalink #57 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 24 Mar 24 06:14
permalink #57 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 24 Mar 24 06:14
The Gossage podcast is called The Firehouse Salon.
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permalink #58 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 24 Mar 24 08:22
permalink #58 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 24 Mar 24 08:22
I got to natter on in this episode, which focuses on Gossage and Ramparts magazine. It's also on Apple and other platforms. https://tunein.com/podcasts/History-Podcasts/The-Pink-Air-Podcast-p3804420/?to picId=383240840
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permalink #59 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Tue 26 Mar 24 04:31
permalink #59 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Tue 26 Mar 24 04:31
Peter, the Gleason roundtables highlight the importance of such private gatherings in developing Bay Area culture in the 1960s. It was a floating discussion that occurred at different households around the area. The circle of participants was diverse - old-school Lefties, hip novelists like Kesey and Nelson Algren, and the Gleasons. In letters, Gleason fumes and thrills to the discussions. He loved the contact with the literary Illuminati. He was enraged by the unwillingness of older liberals to change. These discussions mirrored the atmosphere of debate in the Gleason household - kitchen table discussions including Berkeley radicals and others. One participant would present a thesis, another the antithesis, and then argue it out.
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permalink #60 of 74: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Tue 26 Mar 24 08:24
permalink #60 of 74: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Tue 26 Mar 24 08:24
The "social media" of the day - not at all the same as now, merely a faint resemblence.
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permalink #61 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Wed 27 Mar 24 04:17
permalink #61 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Wed 27 Mar 24 04:17
That kind of freewheeling, casual conversation holds a lot of appeal for me. Berkeley was a good place for it, though I know many San Franciscans, including my wife, who spent almost no time in the East Bay. (At least before we met.) As you know, Don, Gleason also taped discussions with jazz musicians at his house. Those conversations make up the book from Yale U.P. called "Conversations in Jazz." My favorite story about that had to do with John Coltrane, who was playing in San Francisco but wanted to go to Gleason's house afterward. He asked photographer Jim Marshall where that was. You mean the address, Gleason asked. No, Berkeley, Coltrane said. Marshall drove him to Gleason's house and asked if he could hang around. Then he snapped the photograph that eventually hung in the Obama White House.
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permalink #62 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Wed 27 Mar 24 12:50
permalink #62 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Wed 27 Mar 24 12:50
Peter, I didn't know the Coltrane photo hung in the Obama White Housewow! Marshall shot many pictures of Gleason, including a publicity still I have. Even the Marshall licensing folks had never seen that one. Fodder for future posts on my blog don-armstrong.com. Today I posted Ralph's first-ever music column, for the Columbia University Spectator. https://don-armstrong.com/2024/03/27/ralph-gleasons-first-music-column/
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permalink #63 of 74: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Wed 27 Mar 24 12:57
permalink #63 of 74: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Wed 27 Mar 24 12:57
Here's the photo: <https://sfae.com/Artists/Jim-Marshall/John-Coltrane-at-Ralph-Gleason-s-House-1 960>
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permalink #64 of 74: Scott Underwood (esau) Wed 27 Mar 24 13:14
permalink #64 of 74: Scott Underwood (esau) Wed 27 Mar 24 13:14
From that 1936 column: "A Fine Romance," we are afraid, is not one of Jerome Kern's better tunes. I wonder if he changed his mind later that year when he heard Billie Holiday's version.
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permalink #65 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Sun 31 Mar 24 06:56
permalink #65 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Sun 31 Mar 24 06:56
Well, as much as I love RLG and what he did for me, mrs icenine will not let me spend $119.00 on the Amazon book..I am on a tight leash with her when it comes to my book purchases..I think I will wait until a Used copy shows up on AbeBooks..I can wait even though, to me, that is not an outrageous price on Amazon but happy wife, happy life are words and deeds to live by..
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permalink #66 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 31 Mar 24 10:53
permalink #66 of 74: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Sun 31 Mar 24 10:53
Don will know for sure, but I think a paperback edition is in the works.
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permalink #67 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Mon 1 Apr 24 01:17
permalink #67 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Mon 1 Apr 24 01:17
Cool! Thanking you, Peter and Don for your work on this fascinating and enduring writer..
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permalink #68 of 74: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Mon 1 Apr 24 05:15
permalink #68 of 74: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Mon 1 Apr 24 05:15
We want to thank Don Armstrong and all the other participants in this great conversation. We ask our guest for a two week commitment, and he agreed to extend for a third week. While it's time to thank everybody and announce an end of the commitment, this topic remains open, and it's fine to continue the conversation. Reminder that the administrivia post - <6> - has pubic links, if you want to share the conversation.
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permalink #69 of 74: Scott Underwood (esau) Mon 1 Apr 24 07:40
permalink #69 of 74: Scott Underwood (esau) Mon 1 Apr 24 07:40
Thanks for the conversation! I enjoyed reading along.
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permalink #70 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Tue 2 Apr 24 01:06
permalink #70 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Tue 2 Apr 24 01:06
Same here
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permalink #71 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Tue 2 Apr 24 09:03
permalink #71 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Tue 2 Apr 24 09:03
I'll stay tuned through the end of the week if anyone wants to yak anymore. Never grow tired of discussing Ralph and music journalism history. A paperback edition will come out in summer 2025. In the mean time, check your local library. I plan a weekly Gleason post on my website, cool stuff that didn't make it into the book! https://don-armstrong.com/
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permalink #72 of 74: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Tue 2 Apr 24 09:21
permalink #72 of 74: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Tue 2 Apr 24 09:21
Thanks again, Don!
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permalink #73 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Tue 2 Apr 24 11:00
permalink #73 of 74: Alex Davie (icenine) Tue 2 Apr 24 11:00
Thanking you, Don and I just subscribed to your WordPress site
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permalink #74 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Sat 6 Apr 24 04:55
permalink #74 of 74: Don Armstrong (don12345) Sat 6 Apr 24 04:55
Thank you all; I enjoyed this!
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