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permalink #151 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Mon 27 May 24 09:13
permalink #151 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Mon 27 May 24 09:13
Now it's been out for a few days and people have had a chance to watch (and rewatch) the latest episode of the 2024 season, "73 Yards", we're digging into discussing it in more detail in the members-only <whovians.> forum. It feels a bit too spoilery for Inkwell but you're welcome to join us in the members lounge if you'd like. I still love it, despite the lack of details and clear answers in the script. In fact, precisely BECAUSE there are no easy answers dumped in our laps. Others feel that the lack of clarity is a cheat by the writer (Russell T Davies) and too cheap and easy. I profoundly disagree, but each to their own. (Even though the others are clearly entirely wrong!) Either way, it's a fascinating discussion and thought experiment. For that reason alone I believe "73 Yards" is perhaps one of the greatest Doctor Who stories in years and I'm genuinely excited about it. I could be talking about this one for a very long time.
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permalink #152 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 28 May 24 01:46
permalink #152 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 28 May 24 01:46
There were loads of things I meant to get into during our Inkwell chat - more in-depth stuff about the incidental music of the show for example, or the history of title sequences - but never got around to. One such was a small anecdote the impact of the pandemic on the direction of the show. During lockdown, a junior reporter on Doctor Who Magazine (Emily Cook) suggested a Twitter watchalong/viewing party where a few friends would chose an episode of NuWho and press play on their DVD or streaming service at the same time. They would then tweet their reactions and discuss what was happening on screen using hashtags. Great idea, and it soon spread beyond just her friends and became something of a global phenomenon (no exaggeration). I certainly followed along and contributed. But given her industry connections, Emily was able to get some of the behind-the-scenes people like directors and technicians and the odd actor from the episode to join in too. Naturally not people like Russell T Davies or Catherine Tate or Karen Gillan or Steven Moffat or David Tennant though, that would be silly given most of them had an understandable long standing aversion to social media. Except that's just what happened, and they took part, and it was glorious, a real beacon of light during those miserable months. Anyway, Catherine Tate was so happy watching back some of her 2008 episodes that she apparently messaged RTD and said something along the lines of how it had all been so lovely, why couldn't they get the band back together and do it all over again with a flashback reunion special or something. To which RTD's sensible response was that David Tennant was far too busy and would never do it. Tate naturally shot off a message to DT and he immediately said he would go it in a heartbeat. Bluff called! So there is was, a Tennant/Tate special was on the table. But of course, by this time RTD was no longer involved in the show. But he took it to the BBC anyway, and found that they were not only interested but wondered how would he feel about taking over as showrunner again now Chris Chibnall and Jodie Whittaker were leaving. And by the way what did he think about a co-production deal with Disney? I'm paraphrasing the events and making a few assumptions about what happened behind the scenes, but the basic fact remains that from an enthusiastic reporter (and fan)'s little lockdown idea came the show we have in 2024 with Ncuti Gatwa and Millie Gibson. At least one good thing came out of the depths of COVID.
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permalink #153 of 169: John Hood (johnhood) Tue 28 May 24 06:22
permalink #153 of 169: John Hood (johnhood) Tue 28 May 24 06:22
Theres always a twist and this one was most welcome during dark times!
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permalink #154 of 169: Trekked into Whoville (debunix) Tue 28 May 24 07:31
permalink #154 of 169: Trekked into Whoville (debunix) Tue 28 May 24 07:31
what a great story. I had no idea about any of that.
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permalink #155 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 28 May 24 08:15
permalink #155 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 28 May 24 08:15
I agree, I think it's really lovely too. Here's a piece about the original lockdown tweetalongs: <https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/how-the-woman-behind-doctor-who-lockdown-created- a-lifeline-for-thousands-of-fans/> As a PS, she used to play saxophone in a school orchestra, and last November for the 60th anniversary specials she was invited to join the BBC National Orchestra Of Wales playing "Donna's Theme" in Cardiff, which was broadcast on BBC Four and BBC Radio 2. It's probably still available on BBC iPlayer and/or BBC Sounds. As part of the show there were interviews with Russell T Davies, Steven Moffat, Chris Chibnall, Murray Gold, Segun Akinola - and Emily Cook, since the specials were sort of her "fault".
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permalink #156 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 4 Jun 24 08:11
permalink #156 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 4 Jun 24 08:11
There might be a brand new Inkwell conversation starting today (see <inkwell.vue.546> but John and I and the other marauding band of <whovians.> continue to mutter away about new episodes of the show which are still dropping throughout June on Disney+ and BBC iPlayer. Last week it was the weird 73 Yards which was all about folk lore and mystic horror which garnered a lot of controversy for being "militantly ambiguous" as one description put it, steadfastly refusing to answer any of the mysteries it put up. The latest episode that came out was "Dot and Bubble" which could hardly be more different, being a bang-up-to-date science fiction story which skewers the modern social media experience by having everyone on a paradise planet so totally wrapped up in their 'bubble' of friends that they literally can't see beyond it even when there are monsters waiting to eat them just inches away. It's a fun episode that tackles social media issues dead on (they've got so used to using the technology they can no longer walk or remember to pee without out). Perhaps a bit too much on the nose if I'm honest. Also, I didn't like anyone in this world of social influencers which made it a hard story for me to get into given that this was another "Doctor and companion lite" story in the manner of "Blink". There was one person who was Peter Perfect, clearly good to be true, so I trusted him even less than the ones I didn't like because that was an obvious twist. Or was it? The actual twist caught a lot of people out. Talking of Twists, there's an actress called Susan Twist who has been in several episodes as different characters. She popped up as Isaac Newton's housekeeper Mrs Merridew in "Wild Blue Yonder" and then in every episode starring Ncuti Gatwa since then. At first it was subtle but now even the Doctor and Ruby are noticing that she keeps turning up as different people. She's in the cast list for each of the remaining episode including the season finale (there's always a Twist at the end) so if you have any idea where there this is going we'd love to hear your theories and ideas, either here or over in the dedicated members-only <whovians.> conference.
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permalink #157 of 169: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 6 Jun 24 11:14
permalink #157 of 169: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 6 Jun 24 11:14
I wonder if viewers weren't supposed to like anyone in this episode? It's a sort of meta commentary on social media bubbles can affect people's personalities for the worst. It also raises the question of whether or not people need to be likable to be worthy of rescue.
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permalink #158 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Thu 6 Jun 24 15:26
permalink #158 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Thu 6 Jun 24 15:26
I think that's very much the balancing point of this story. On the one hand it's a hard satire on the corrosive effect social media bubbles so we're not meant to like them even before the final reveal. On the other hand, as drama, we need someone we can identify with and like to take us through the drama, and for the darkness not to be too obvious that it ruins the final twist. For me, that balance was off. But I'm a sample set of one, which is why I wanted to know whether others had the same reaction to it. I think the reaction ultimately covered the full spectrum, so probably the episode judged it as well as it was possible to do.
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permalink #159 of 169: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 10 Jun 24 14:34
permalink #159 of 169: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 10 Jun 24 14:34
I think we were supposed to start liking the protagonist, then confronted with her lack of a moral compass. At the end: Are they rejecting the Doctor because he's Black, or because he's outside their class, caste or society?
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permalink #160 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 11 Jun 24 00:06
permalink #160 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 11 Jun 24 00:06
I think that's right, but for me I never liked her or her group of friends, and since they were 80% of the episode that was a problem dramatically for me and meant the end reveal of her lack of moral compass was not much of a surprise. Although I thought she would allow people to die through being passive rather than actively homicidal, which I admit did surprise me. I also wondered if there was a different reading of the ending. I think the show was very careful not to explicitly raise the issue of racism for fear of inadvertently putting a bad seed in younger viewers' heads that wasn't there before. But if you know, you know and can't unsee it. Lindy is wary but engages with Ruby despite her being just as outside her circle, but is hostile to the Doctor on sight. Even after he saves her life ("it was only your duty after all", implying he has some obligation of servitude to her group) she reacts against him specifically while ignoring Ruby as irrelevant. Without coming right out and saying it, the show is as clear about her bigotry as it can be. And a lot of people from Black and ethnic backgrounds in the UK say that this sort of sly, indirect passive hostility is the main sort of racism they face in daily life rather than overt aggressive comments or acts.
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permalink #161 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 11 Jun 24 00:16
permalink #161 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 11 Jun 24 00:16
Moving on, we've had the sixth episode of the season, "Rogue" - invariably dubbed "Doctor Who does Bridgerton". There's been a lot less talk about this episode, both in the WELL's Whovians conference and generally around the web. I'm wondering why. Did people not watch it yet? Too many other distractions? Is interest in the series dropping off? Or was it specific to something about this particular episode? Even I'm struggle to find something to say about it it. It was fine, a perfectly standard enjoyable romp. But as I've never seen Bridgerton or the other shows it's inspired, that whole aspect is lost on me. I can't say if it worked or was well done, I just see it as a Regency pastiche with added fowl. Fun, but no deeper than Space Babies. In fact, as the Doctor and Ruby are mostly apart, it doesn't have the hook of their dynamic to hold it together. Instead it's all about Jonathan Groff. I just felt that it was taking its Bridgerton crossover appeal for granted and beyond that had less to offer than the previous episodes. But I'm keen to know how others - especially those who do know and enjoy Bridgerton - felt about it.
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permalink #162 of 169: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Tue 11 Jun 24 04:38
permalink #162 of 169: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Tue 11 Jun 24 04:38
The Bridgerton angle is pretty interesting - the reason they've gone there is because Ruby's a Bridgerton fan, and the Chuldurs are there for the same reason - they've monitored Netflix, apparently, liked the show, and wanted to put themselves in that world. There's not much of the Bridgerton dynamics, because much of the episode focuses on the aliens, including Dr. Who and Rogue. And that feels like a classic Dr. Who plot.
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permalink #163 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 11 Jun 24 09:25
permalink #163 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 11 Jun 24 09:25
It does indeed feel like a classic Who plot, and not as terrible wicked and transgressive as they might have expected it to come across as. The last period drama which was a worldwide phenomenon was Downtown Abbey, do you think that would have produced a similar frisson if Doctor Who Does Downton? I suspect not because Bridgerton has a similar over-the-top high energy camp feel to it as Bridgerton whereas Downtown was much more serious. In fact I wonder whether the problem with "Rogue" is that really it was just Doctor Who Does Regency and it coincided with Bridgerton without too much effort?
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permalink #164 of 169: John Hood (johnhood) Thu 13 Jun 24 15:37
permalink #164 of 169: John Hood (johnhood) Thu 13 Jun 24 15:37
And I still haven't seen Rogue, which is ironic as Doctor Who has a storied history with period dramas and The Girl in the Fireplace is my favourite episode since 2005.
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permalink #165 of 169: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 24 Jun 24 14:00
permalink #165 of 169: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 24 Jun 24 14:00
I caught up with the final three episodes during the just-ended heat wave here in NYC. About "Rogue," I am not sure I have a lot to say, either. As a character, Rogue seems like a successor to Captain Jack Harkness. Jack's a great character, so on one level that's fine! On another, RTD again creates a new character who's just a few degrees removed, in some way, from an earlier character: Rogue is to Jack as Ruby is to Amy and Clara. I keep wondering at this retreading of older ideas. Then, I remind myself that there are people watching the show now who weren't yet born when Jack was introduced 19 years ago. (NINETEEN YEARS GAaaaaH) The highlight of the ep was the dance, or so it seems to me. It certainly was beautiful. This series' centering of gay and trans actors and characters is really uplifting. Is UK society really this much more advanced about sexual diversity than the US?
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permalink #166 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 25 Jun 24 14:31
permalink #166 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Tue 25 Jun 24 14:31
A successor to Captain Jack is a good way of putting it. I bristled at the online comments that he was just an 'inferior stand-in' which i thought was uncalled for and inaccurate. I agree with you that there does seem to have been a number of echoes in this run - Rogue/Jack being the one that started it, Rose/Ruby being my contribution and I know that some have felt that Ruby is a retread of either/or/both The Girl Who Waited and the Impossible Girl. Perhaps the ending of Ruby's backstory in the season finale defuses some of that. There were more 'echoes' in the finale I thought. The scene were all the stars in the universe die one by one was a definite nod to the end of Steven Moffat's first season with Matt Smith. As was the reliance on the importance of memory, of stories, which was the fulcrum of "The Big Bang" and that whole season. It felt a little like RTD was doing a light rewrite on Moffat's initial scripts which was odd when he was going out of his way to do the show in a new way, with a different style every week. Anyway, "Rogue" clearly worked and was a big hit.; I believe that in the consolidated ratings available to this point it's the highest rated episode of the season (final two episodes not yet available). BBC Radio 1 is still doing heavy promotion of the show and the episode they're pushing isn't the season finale but "Rogue" so it's definitely reaching the younger (teen/20s) audience that the BBC is really hoping for. > Is UK society really this much more advanced about sexual > diversity than the US? It really depends on who you ask and which sector of society you ask. The Mail, Express and Telegraph newspapers have been slating this series for being far too woke and relentlessly pushing its diversity agenda. Much like the same criticism that Star Trek has been all PC and woke, that complaint misses the point that both shows have been unapologetically doing that ever since they began in the 60s, and long may they continue to do so
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permalink #167 of 169: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Tue 25 Jun 24 17:20
permalink #167 of 169: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Tue 25 Jun 24 17:20
Thank god it's woke.
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permalink #168 of 169: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 27 Jun 24 15:45
permalink #168 of 169: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 27 Jun 24 15:45
Yes. Those takes make me think, "Decolonize the news." Even though I'm not particularly enthusiastic about academic terminology going mainstream.
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permalink #169 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Fri 12 Jul 24 06:30
permalink #169 of 169: Andrew Lewin (draml) Fri 12 Jul 24 06:30
The 2024 season of Doctor Who has finished its run (there will be a Christmas special written by Steven Moffat) so we're in the process of wrapping things up for the time being in the Whovians conference. If you have any views on how the season has gone, we'd still love to hear from you, either here or in the conference. Non-members can send questions and comments to the Inkwell email address, and members can of course post as normal. Thanks to everyone who has contributed so far!
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