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permalink #176 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Wed 23 Apr 25 08:12
permalink #176 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Wed 23 Apr 25 08:12
Spoiler alert...
But the group of Whovian fans seemed kind of unreal because theyâ
were, in fact, not real. Though there's a bit at the end that showsâ
that the manipulation that defeated Lux rendered the fans real,â
after all. Which was a bit of a stretch, I'll admit, but fell inâ
with the sense of wonder-fulness.
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permalink #177 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Thu 24 Apr 25 02:14
permalink #177 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Thu 24 Apr 25 02:14
The Whovian fans did seem to exist in a state of almostâ
Heisenbergian uncertainty!
I'm not sure the script of `Lux made an awful lot of logical senseâ
at any point, which to be honest is why I struggle with it. I likeâ
logical stories, not wild wacky surreal ones in which anything canâ
happen at any time for any reason. It makes my teeth itch.
Doctor Who used to be firmly science based - no magic, no gods,â
nothing like that. But RTD has shifted that with the introduction ofâ
the gods of discord (I think that's what they are called? Please doâ
feel free to connect me if I'm wrong) to give him more latitude toâ
be inventive and creative on the perfectly understandable groundsâ
that after nearly 70 years the show needs new, fertile ground toâ
inspire brand new stories. But inevitably it means that some fansâ
won't feel quite as at home in the new context as they did, and forâ
me at the moment I'm one of those.
Which is not to say that I don't appreciate how well the episodesâ
are done - the performances are wonderful (I'm particularly enjoyingâ
Belinda, she's so much more engaging than Ruby so far) and the showâ
looks fantastic. Although I did think that Lux has some borrowedâ
aesthetics - the robots looked like the ones from The Husbands ofâ
River Song (2015?) and their emoticon facial expressions were likeâ
the bots from "Smile". Little things like that distracted me thisâ
week.
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permalink #178 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Thu 24 Apr 25 05:59
permalink #178 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Thu 24 Apr 25 05:59
Apparently the concept of the Gods of Chaos (or Pantheon of Discord)â
originated with the Trickster, which first appeared in "Whateverâ
Happened to Sarah Jane" (2007).â
<https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Trickster#Early_life>
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permalink #179 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Thu 24 Apr 25 07:02
permalink #179 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Thu 24 Apr 25 07:02
There's a lot of retrofitting going on here! I don't think there wasâ
any intention to link The Trickster to a wider array ofâ
pan-dimensional beings originally, but it's become an effective wayâ
of sweeping up a whole class of alien adversaries into one "all youâ
can eat" buffet.
There's no question that in terms of the show, The Toymaker (henâ
known as the Celestial Toymaker, played by Michael Gough in 1966)â
came first when he popped up and was thwarted by William Hartnell'sâ
first incarnation.
Then there was Sutekh who was in one of the best loved Tom Bakerâ
stories, Pyramids of Mars, in 1975. There was no suggestion at theâ
time that he was a "god", just an advanced alien entity, but Russellâ
T Davies decided he worked well alongside the Toymaker and soâ
promoted him to godhood to be the season 1 Big Bad. They also seemâ
to have swept up the Mara (from Peter Davidson stories Kinda andâ
Snakedance) as members of the pantheon.
But the idea of unifying all this mythology didn't really kick inâ
until Wild Blue Yonder (the second of the 2023 David Tennantâ
specials) and the moment that the Doctor failed to cast salt alongâ
the threshold at the edge of the universe, allowing the banishedâ
gods access to our universe.
I think this is all very untidy, as is inevitably the case trying toâ
make sense of 60+ years of television continuity created by dozensâ
of different writers, producers and script editors down the decades.â
Other elemental beings in the Whoniverse include The Eternals (fromâ
Enlightenment) and the Guardians of Time (White and Black varieties)â
and I confess that I'm not remotely sure what links and comparisonsâ
there are between then all.
The Whoniverse is a big and complicated place sometimes.
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permalink #180 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Thu 8 May 25 09:20
permalink #180 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Thu 8 May 25 09:20
So we're half way through the new season of Doctor Who, and we'reâ
happily chatting all about it inside the WELL (check out theâ
<whovians.> conference and <sftv.> if you're a member and youâ
haven't already.)
There's not been a lot of conversation here in the public-facingâ
Inkwell but I'd love to hear what people are thinking about the newâ
run. If you're not a WELL member then you can still sendâ
contributions by emailing inkwell[@]well.com.
To recap: I think there were mixed feelings about the first episode,â
"The Robot Revolution", which introduced the new companion ofâ
Belinda, who is great. I had to watch it twice before I warmed up toâ
it. It was a bit too frenetic for me but I think that wasâ
intentional as it conveyed the sense of disorientation and confusionâ
that Belinda was feeling, being swept up in all of this.
The second episode was "Lux" which was a very meta episode in whichâ
the Doctor confronts a cartoon come to life and even encounters aâ
group of Who fans watching the show on TV. Everyone seemed to loveâ
this, but - while I admired the inventiveness and fresh energy ofâ
the episode - I didn't warm to it as much as others did. Am I aâ
grouch?
The first two episodes had a very vibrant, day-glo sense to them -â
like watching the Batman movies made by Joel Schumacher. I muchâ
prefer the darker Burton Batman movies and so I was pleased when theâ
new Who season returned to that sort of serious fare with the thirdâ
episode, called ... "The Well". Naturally all of us here were ratherâ
invested in this one being a top episode!
And for me it was, the best of the season so far. Very much likeâ
classic episodes of old like "Earthshock" or "The Satan Pit". Itâ
actually turned out to be an unexpected sequel to a past episodeâ
(but not one of the ones just cited) and I really enjoyed that sortâ
of thing. As was the most recent outing, "Lucky Day", which wasâ
Doctor-lite and concentrated on last year's companion Ruby as sheâ
attempts to reassimilate back into normal life. The only problem wasâ
that it felt a bit too similar to least year's "73 Yards" to me andâ
as a whole came across more like older vintage Who than the rest ofâ
the stories so far this season.
Overall, the thing we're all waiting for is the Season Arc toâ
emerge. So far it seems that the Earth has ceased to exist, which isâ
inconvenient, but where is Russell T Davies doing with that idea?
Anyway, that's enough from me. What does anyone else think? Get inâ
touch if you've been following this series or have thoughts aboutâ
any Who-related aspects.
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permalink #181 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Thu 8 May 25 11:38
permalink #181 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Thu 8 May 25 11:38
I liked "Lucky Day" quite a bit, though, because it made anâ
important political statement about fascists using social media toâ
disrupt real and valuable government operations.
Meanwhile I'm bummed at reports that Ncuti Gatwa is leaving Dr. Who.â
But I've already thought of a replacement, Chiwetel Ejiofor...!
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permalink #182 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Fri 9 May 25 02:58
permalink #182 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Fri 9 May 25 02:58
I liked "Lucky Day" too but there were definite echoes of pastâ
Dctor-lite stories going on there as well. No bad thing, thoseâ
stories have generally been pretty good and some of the best Whoâ
episodes of the last two decades.
The important political statement felt to many that it was anâ
uncredited script insertion by showrunner Russell T Davies. I canâ
certainly see why people would say that. In addition it was a littleâ
too obvious and on-the-nose for many which has put some people offâ
it. But like you, I thought it was much-needed and clearly somethingâ
the author (whether RTD or not) felt strongly about, and gave aâ
proper depth to the episode.
> I'm bummed at reports that Ncuti Gatwa is leaving Dr. Who.
I'm even more bummed by rumours that Disney is pulling the plug onâ
its co-production deal and this would mean that the show as a wholeâ
gets mothballed.
Given that these episodes were filmed at the start of 2024 beforeâ
the last season aired, and there has been no news of new filmingâ
since then, it does feel rather like something should be happeningâ
for 2026 but isn't.
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permalink #183 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 9 May 25 06:39
permalink #183 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 9 May 25 06:39
Though after 62 years of stops and starts, I wouldn't count 'em out.
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permalink #184 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Fri 9 May 25 08:15
permalink #184 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Fri 9 May 25 08:15
It feels strange to talk about a show that stops and starts when theâ
first run lasted 26 years and the second has been going for 20 whichâ
by almost every other show's standards is a model of longevity!
But you're right, it has been stop-start, and always seemingly onâ
the edge of being cancelled. When the show began in 1963 it wasâ
given a 13 week deal. Then the Daleks came along and it became aâ
cultural phenomenon and suddenly it was running year round (with aâ
brief hiatus for Christmas).
By the end of the 60s it seemed that the show had run it course. Itâ
was touch and go whether they carried on after Patrick Troughtonâ
stood down. Then bizarrely a format revamp and the casting of Jonâ
Pertwee made it a huge hit again, and it only got bettr when Tomâ
Baker took over. The BBC couldn't cancel if if they wanted to. Andâ
they did want to, behind the scenes...
TV changed in the 1970s and the series was gradually pruned down toâ
26 weeks per year which was standard for the period (most hour-longâ
shows only ran to 13 episodes per season in the UK). It jogged alongâ
pretty well until the infamous 'cancellation' shock where BBCâ
controller Michael Grade put it on an 18 month hiatus in 1985 andâ
only grudgingly brought it back due to petitions and protests. Evenâ
so, the break rather killed the show's fan base and when it wasâ
'rested' again in 1989, this time it didn't come back.
Well, it did - with a TV movie starring Paul McGann in 1996 whichâ
did well but not well enough to get a series order from Fox in theâ
US. Then it was rested again until Russell T Davies came along: theâ
BBC wanted to hire him away from independent networks and the onlyâ
thing they had to lure him that no one else had was Doctor Who, soâ
they offered him that. And it worked.
The show was pretty regular from then through theâ
Eccleston/Tennant/Smith years but then the cost of making it hadâ
meant it's had a year off every now and then. Slowly it got tiredâ
and ratings went down: by the end of Jodie Whitaker's tenure the BBCâ
plan was to 'rest' the show (translation: another 16 years ofâ
hibernation) but then RTD declared an interest in returning and theâ
Disney co-production deal came along, and suddenly it was hotâ
property again.
But I don't think the first Disney Who season delivered the ratingsâ
that the Mouse House was looking for. There's been somethingâ
luke-warm about the way that the new series has been promoted makingâ
me wonder if Disney hasn't lost interest and is seeking a back doorâ
exit. If that happened I'm not sure whether there would be a wayâ
back for Doctor Who in future, or at least not for some time.
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permalink #185 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Wed 21 May 25 08:28
permalink #185 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Wed 21 May 25 08:28
So we have only two episodes of this run of "Doctor Who" to go. Theyâ
grow up so fast!
The final episodes are a big two-part finale, just as they were lastâ
year. But whereas the Big Bad of the season was only unveiled at theâ
end of the penultimate episode last year, this time the big revealâ
came at the end of episode 2.6, "The Interstellar Song Contest".
The development could do with come context for newcomers. You mayâ
want to look away now if you don't want any spoilers, because theseâ
are some big ones.
<spoiler space>
Original 1963 cast member Carole Ann Ford, who left in 1964,â
returned to the show for the first time since a brief cameo in 1983.â
I'd heard nothing about this in advance and was really quiteâ
stunned. For those who don't know her significance to the show, I'llâ
explain.
When the show started in 1963, it began with two London schoolâ
teachers called Ian Chesterton and Barbara Wright doing what weâ
would call today a welfare check on one of their teenage pupils,â
Susan Foreman. It's because of some odd behaviour in the classroomâ
which these days would probably be put down as a neurodiversityâ
trait.
It turned out that Susan liveed in junk yard with her grandfatherâ
who is known only as the Doctor. When Ian and Barbara follow themâ
into a blue police box in the junk yard they find themselves in aâ
space/time machine which promptly dematerialises and whisks themâ
away: they spend the next two years trying to get home again, as theâ
Tardis is not very reliable at this point.
Carole Ann Ford played Susan, the "An Unearthly Child" of the titleâ
of th first episode. She was the Doctor's granddaughter. Thisâ
technically makes her the first companion, as Ian and Barbara onlyâ
join here. There's been some debate over the years as to whetherâ
she's truly the Doctor's biological descendent or whether she was aâ
'stray' that the Doctor had picked up on his travel and dubbedâ
'grand daughter' as a mark of affection. But recent stories such asâ
"The Name of the Doctor" in 2013 suggest she really was with theâ
Doctor when he stole the Tardis and fled his home world ofâ
Gallifrey, so these days it's taken as a matter of series lore thatâ
Susan is indeed truly family. You'll notice she's still calling himâ
grandfather in this week's episode.
Susan left the show in 1964 (to settle down with her boyfriend in aâ
future London) as Ford felt underused and typecast as a juvenileâ
which was holding her back. She returned as a guest star on the 20thâ
anniversary episode "The Five Doctors", and ten years later alsoâ
reprised her role for the 1993 charity special "Dimensions in Time"â
during the period when "Doctor Who" itself was no longer inâ
production.
Since then she's been involved in some of the audio plays producedâ
by Big Finish Media but surprisingly she's never been back in theâ
show. Then she ran into Russell T Davies at a launch party for Ncutiâ
Gatwa's time as the Doctor and they got on like a house on fire. Heâ
said "come back and do a guest appearance" and she said yes straightâ
away, leading to her cameo in this story.
Is that the end of Susan's story? Maybe. But her holographic avatarâ
in this week's show tells the Doctor to "find me" so maybe there isâ
more still to come...
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permalink #186 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Wed 21 May 25 08:44
permalink #186 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Wed 21 May 25 08:44
This is a continuation post to <185> about events in the latest Mayâ
2025 episode, "The Interstellar Song Contest" which sets up the twoâ
part series finale to come. You may want to look away now if youâ
don't want any spoilers, because these are some big ones.
<spoiler space>
But Susan's appearance isn't the biggest reveal. We also find outâ
who this year's Big Bad is. Midway through the closing credits, weâ
get a bit of a bombshell where Mrs Flood shows up again ... andâ
promptly bigenerates (in the way that David Tennant's Doctor begatâ
Ncuti Gatwa) and is revealed as The Rani.
Hands up those who remembers The Rani? (Not including John!)
To be honest, The Rani was somewhat after my time. She was createdâ
as a female counterpart to another popular renegade Time Lord, Theâ
Master, who had been somewhat overused. Also, the showmakers wantedâ
a strong recurring female adversary for the Doctor as there hadn'tâ
been one up to this time.
Her first story was "The Mark of the Rani" in 1985 and she returnedâ
two years later for "Time and the Rani" which was Seventh Doctorâ
Sylvester McCoy's first story. And that was all, unfortunately, asâ
the show went off air in 1989. The character did make do a guestâ
appearance in the 30th anniversary charity sketch "Dimensions inâ
Time" in 1993, along with Susan as mentioned above.
Ever since Doctor Who returned to the screen in 2005, long time fansâ
have been clamouring for The Rani to be among the classic charactersâ
to be revived. When Missy appeared, many fans were sure that thisâ
was the Rani but it turned out to be a gender-swapped Master nsteadâ
which worked so much better.
The real coup was the show getting Kate O'Mara to play the role. Sheâ
had been a BIG star of British film ("The Horror of Frankenstein",â
"The Tamarind Seed") and television ("The Brothers", "Triangle" andâ
dozens of guest appearances in every show around) for getting on forâ
two decades by this point.
Unfortunately her fame was also the reason that she made only thoseâ
two appearances in "Doctor Who": after the first serial she got castâ
to play Joan Collin's sister Caress in "Dynasty" so she relocated toâ
the US for a time. When she returned to the UK it was too late to doâ
more "Who", so she basically did her own take on the Alexis role forâ
popular sailing soap "Howards' Way".
She pretty much semi-retired in the 1990s although continued to findâ
frequent roles in stage and television productions and wrote fourâ
books until her death on 30 March 2014 in a Sussex nursing home,â
aged 74, from ovarian cancer.
It takes pretty big feet to fill Kate O'Mara's shoes. And I wouldâ
suggest that with "Good Wife" star Archie Panjabi they have foundâ
the perfect person to don the high heels and walk in her footsteps.â
I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with her in thisâ
weekend's episode "Wish World".
We'll doubtless be talking about it in <whovians.> for anyone whoâ
wants to sign up and check the place out.
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permalink #187 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Mon 2 Jun 25 05:52
permalink #187 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Mon 2 Jun 25 05:52
So we've had the final episode of season 2 of Doctor Who. There isâ
certainly plenty to talk about!
I'm avoiding posting spoilers today for those yet to catch up withâ
it, but I'd love to know what the general reaction is to Wishâ
World/Reality War and indeed to the whole of season 2, if not theâ
complete Ncuti Gatwa era as the Doctor.
Let us know what you thought by mailing your comments to â
inkwell[@]well.com so that they can appear here even if you're not aâ
WELL member. Or alternatively you can sign up for a WELL membershipâ
and post directly, both here and in the exclusive <whovians.>â
conference.
Hope to read your thoughts soon!
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permalink #188 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Mon 2 Jun 25 05:59
permalink #188 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Mon 2 Jun 25 05:59
I watched that last, very busy episode last night, and I still don'tâ
understand the significance or origin of the baby Ruby was holding. â
But it was hard to keep track...
I thought Ncuti was an excellent Doctor, sad to see his run endâ
after only two seasons. But his star is rising, I'm sure he'sâ
getting compelling offers every day.
Hearing rumors that Doctor Who might not return, or at least mightâ
not return to Disney... but I think that's just uncertainty becauseâ
neither BBC nor Disney has committed so far to a season 3/16.
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permalink #189 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Mon 2 Jun 25 06:32
permalink #189 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Mon 2 Jun 25 06:32
Okay, I think I can held you on the subject of the baby.
The baby was another of the pantheon of gods introduced in the Gatwaâ
era that also included the Trickster, the Toymaker, Maestro andâ
Sutekh. In this case it was the the god of wishes, Desiderium, whoâ
found physical form after being born on earth as the seventh son ofâ
a seventh son and hence as lucky as it was possible to get. The Raniâ
abducted him at the start of Wish World.
Desiderium's power was that he could grant wishes to anyone whoâ
asked him for them. Or in this case, by kissing his head and thenâ
blowing out the wish energy into the air. It was this power thatâ
allowed the Rani to remake the Earth as Wish World. But it was all aâ
bit patchwork and uneven (a bit like the script if we're honest...)â
and was falling apart by the time the Doctor showed up. To put itâ
another way, the baby was the ultimate deus ex machina and the wayâ
to reset the world to how it should be.
I'm sad to see Ncuti move on so soon, too. I wonder if he was alwaysâ
short-term and fitting in the production in between otherâ
commitments? He finished shooting this a year ago after all. But Iâ
do think it was always in the plans, for whatever reason.
There's certainly a lot of debate about what happens next. Hard toâ
imagine that Disney can back out a year early; and if they did, whatâ
would the BBC do with the show? It's still their intellectualâ
property. A lot of the rumours arose because it was reported that weâ
wouldn't get to see who the Doctor regenerated into at the end ofâ
the most recent episode, but that rumour could started because anyâ
preview copies had that moment removed. Now we know it's ...
Wait. *Do* we know anything? That surprise guest appearance didn'tâ
say it was the Doctor.
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permalink #190 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Mon 2 Jun 25 06:39
permalink #190 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Mon 2 Jun 25 06:39
Don't we know that it's Rose Tyler (Billie Piper)?
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permalink #191 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Mon 2 Jun 25 06:50
permalink #191 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Mon 2 Jun 25 06:50
Ahh, but what part is Billie Piper playing?
Normally when an actor takes over as the Doctor, the end creditsâ
include the line "and XXX as the Doctor". They did that inâ
Interstellar Song Contest for The Rani, too, when Archie Panjabiâ
made her bow. But this time? Not a word about who Billie Piper willâ
be playing.
Piper has returned in the past in a different role called The Momentâ
in 50th anniversary special "Day of the Doctor". She was an imaginedâ
incarnation of the artificial intelligence behind the device thatâ
wiped out the Time Lord. So who knows if that has any bearing onâ
matters?
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permalink #192 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Mon 2 Jun 25 06:55
permalink #192 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Mon 2 Jun 25 06:55
I assumed she was the new Doctor because it appeared Ncuti wasâ
making the transition, and everything he was saying suggested thatâ
was what was happening. Good point that we don't know.
(Meanwhile I still have to watch the rest of the Jodie Whittakerâ
episodes.)
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permalink #193 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Mon 2 Jun 25 07:12
permalink #193 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Mon 2 Jun 25 07:12
Can't take a lot of credit for pointing it out, all the Who feedsâ
are buzzing about whether what we saw is what we think we saw orâ
whether Russell T Davies is lining up another shock reveal if andâ
when the series returns.
It's ironic that Saturday's episode saw some of the best writing forâ
Jodie Whittaker's Doctor, given it was from a showrunner who neverâ
got to work on any of her three seasons in the role.
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permalink #194 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Thu 5 Jun 25 04:49
permalink #194 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Thu 5 Jun 25 04:49
So we've reached the end of this season f Doctor Who, and it looksâ
like there might be quite a long wait to say the least before theâ
next ne. Nothing is in production at this point which makes a 2026â
run feel rather unlikely; and rumours cay the series could be restedâ
for rather longer than that, even.
In all likelihood that means this Inkwell topic will also gracefullyâ
fade away from this point on. It's actually been one of the longestâ
Inkwell topics of recent times (although that did include severalâ
months of inactivity between seasons, so we cheated a bit) and it'sâ
been great to have the opportunity to write about the show, bot hereâ
and in the <whovians.> conference itself.
But before we do bow out, we should probably take one last 'State ofâ
Whovinerse' stock check about the last two seasons and where weâ
stand looking forward. Generally speaking I've enjoyed the two Ncutiâ
Gatwa seasons although I do get the feeling that I'm on the cusp ofâ
ageing out of the audience for the show and getting increasinglyâ
cranky about certain aspects of the show.
Perhaps the biggest thing on my mind right now is: is there still aâ
place for Doctor Who? The last couple of seasons have felt like theâ
show is casting around for what it wants to do in future,â
reinventing itself for the 2030s and beyond, and I'm not sure thatâ
it's found an answer to that question. It's dipped into myths andâ
magic, and the influence of the Marvel Cinematic Universe has beenâ
particularly noticeable, but at the same time it's taken aâ
sledgehammer to reinventing its own mythos in a way that seems toâ
satisfying neither new or old fans. I'm not sure that the megaâ
budget stemming from the Disney deal which allowed the MCU touchesâ
has actually been all that healthy for the show and I worry it'sâ
taken it in a direction that isn't going to work.
It'll be interesting to see what the spin off mini series "The Warâ
Between the Land and the Sea". Despite its hi-concept (prehistoricâ
Sea Devils from below the surface of the ocean want their planetâ
back from the primates that stole it while they were hibernating).â
It looks a lot more serious, darker, more dramatic than the showâ
we've just finished watching. How will that influence what happensâ
with the Who franchise moving forward?
If you have any thoughts on this - where would you like to see theâ
show go from here? - then get in touch. We'll also be talking wboutâ
the most recent series of Who and what comes next in the <whovians.>â
conference for WELL members and you're very welcome to join us thereâ
if you would like to. Look around the site for details for detailsâ
of how to get an introductory WELL membership if that interests you.
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permalink #195 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Thu 5 Jun 25 06:40
permalink #195 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Thu 5 Jun 25 06:40
It could be that Dr. Who's mission of saving lives and liberatingâ
the oppressed is out of style as we turn to leaders who want to doâ
the opposite.
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permalink #196 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Thu 5 Jun 25 06:48
permalink #196 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Thu 5 Jun 25 06:48
Given where the show started (with the Daleks as a thin allegory forâ
the Nazis and the threat of fascism) that would at least be a neatâ
and tidy bookend for 62 years of the show, I suppose. While alsoâ
showing how little things seem to change...
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John Hood and Andrew Lewin: Finding Dr. Who
permalink #197 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Thu 5 Jun 25 06:55
permalink #197 of 198: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Thu 5 Jun 25 06:55
Maybe we'll get a version where the Daleks are presented as heroes,â
and Dr. Who is the villain trying to stop them.
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John Hood and Andrew Lewin: Finding Dr. Who
permalink #198 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Sat 28 Jun 25 07:16
permalink #198 of 198: Andrew Lewin (draml) Sat 28 Jun 25 07:16
I'm so sorry, I totally missed this post at the time and neverâ
replied. Very rude and remiss of me.
I'm pretty sure that the show has indeed played with the idea of howâ
the Daleks see morality quite differently. Memorably, the plot ofâ
"The Pandorica Opens" is about the Daleks, Cybermen and other archâ
enemies band together to dispose of the Doctor in order to save theâ
universe, as they blame him for the end of everything. To him, he'sâ
the enemy who destroys worlds, kills millions of Daleks and and isâ
without conscience and morals.
The Daleks even have a name for the Doctor, "The Oncoming Storm", asâ
a mark of how feared he is. In (I think) The Army of Ghosts", aâ
Dalek meeting the Doctor for the first time visibly recoils inâ
horror, and then they panic and attempt to kill him before he canâ
kill them first.
You can see their point. It's all a matter of perspective at the endâ
of the day. Just look at the US/Iran face-off going on this week...
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