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permalink #26 of 81: Alex Davie (icenine) Sat 22 Jun 24 12:44
permalink #26 of 81: Alex Davie (icenine) Sat 22 Jun 24 12:44
Greetings Donn! A little background on me..in 1968, I took a date while still in high school to see the Grateful Dead at the National Guard Armory in downtown St. Louis and that experience completely changed the arc of my life, going forward..prior to that fateful night, I was going to graduate, move to Grand Bahama Island and work as a deckhand on a billfishing charter boat for a dude we had met on previous trip to the Island called Captain WhiteTrash who lived there..which meant no college..which disappointed my parents but after that concert, I did a 180° change and got into Menlo College in Menlo Park, CA. essentially, so I could see the Dead on their home turf a lot..1969 to 1970, I completed my freshman year and then dropped out. This is crossposted from the previous Inkwell topic about Philip K. Dick but it is relevant here to this topic since I am experiencing a bunch of synchronicities with Donns story here and will purchase his book since I already have read Everything I know.. Where to start with the synchronicities? Quoting Donn here: I had my first grateful Dead experiences in new your at the aGe of fifteen -- the Fillmore East, some tiny place on long island near the south shore in Long beach -- that was my tribe. Moved to California in summer 1971 I was in high school as well as you Donn when I first saw the Grateful Dead as mentioned above when I was 17 yo and then as soon as I could I moved to Menlo Park, California to attend college so I could see these cats and kitties on their home turf. Quoting Donn: there were moments in that show where the jams resolved into ballads and the beauty was so immense, and intense, that I thought: This music has power! I have Power! And I had to be true to that -- I couldn't Walk out of there and put up with the same old shit. After and during my first show, I knew on a deep, deep level, viscerally that I needed to see these cats and kitties over and over again to experience that freedom and joy in the music and in me, as well. I admit I was too awestruck at that first concert in 1968 to dance and sing as I did later on at subsequent shows as I became familiar with the lyrics and the environment of the shows where I was free to sing and dance with those around me except when I was seated with tapers which was rare but I respected the tapers and restrained myself from singing in and around them. Quoting Donn: You asked about my first concert, if i knew what I was getting into. To a degree, but not the full experience. But once those chords hit for "the Other one" and the extended opening to "morning dew" left me in suspended animation, I figured it out pretty quick. Hell, I expected life to be like that, I have spent a lot of time looking for transcendent experiences and it took some work, but they were there to be had. You just had to poke around. Previous to my first concert, I had stumbled upon a Ramparts article in my high school library about the scene in San Francisco and the article talked about the Grateful Dead so that piqued my interest and then the Boys came to St. Louis and the Bus came by and I got on, thats when it all began Finally, Donn, some of the songs you mention in passing are some of my favorites as well, to wit: The Eleven, Loser, Cryptical Envelopment, The Other One, Morning Dew (I have a special place of reverence for this song as they played it at my first show and completely blew me away) More on this song later and my work with adolescents directly out of San Mateo Julie Hall.. Thanking you David for hosting Donn in this most interesting topic.
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permalink #27 of 81: Helen Rossi (hlnbkt) Sat 22 Jun 24 14:24
permalink #27 of 81: Helen Rossi (hlnbkt) Sat 22 Jun 24 14:24
200 shows under my belt here, about the only thing I have to brag about. I miss that part of my life. Anyway, just wanted to thank you for that wonderful post about Jerry Brown. I always supported him, even if he erred at times. So thanks again for painting such a great picture of this dynamic interesting complex man, Donn. Question: any hope of your sharing that haiku? The one you were struggling with due to that extra syllable, I believe it was.
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permalink #28 of 81: Andrew Alden (alden) Sat 22 Jun 24 15:06
permalink #28 of 81: Andrew Alden (alden) Sat 22 Jun 24 15:06
I'm pleased that the Jerry Brown I saw in person, once or twice close up, was the same guy in private on the job. I live right next to the Fox Theater and love to see the kids in the nabe.
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permalink #29 of 81: dkh67 (dkh67) Sat 22 Jun 24 23:10
permalink #29 of 81: dkh67 (dkh67) Sat 22 Jun 24 23:10
Hi Mary and Alex and Helen. I'll get to you guys in order and hi to andrew, who has been to watkins glen, and lives near my old Haunting grounds at the fox in oakland -- glad you are enjoying the kids in the neighborhood, Andrew - that school really was a labor of love, and it has some of that grateful dead spiriT. In section 4 of the book, the first post-script,I recount a vignette that puts so many things in perspective: the school, the grateful dead influence on other organizations (like ecstaTic dance) how to be authentic in this crazy world. So Mary: I know there were some casualties and I don't pretend to be an expert on the details of the affordable housing industry, but I told that story to highlight his boldness and decisiveness, so welcome after the gLacial pace of activity in Most political circles. I beLieve he saw a bloated bureaucracy and thought the services were betTer delivered at the local level. That's my interpretation anyway. Alex: It still surprises me how similar many of our experiences are, how even our internal compasses seem drawn in the same way, in the same direction, and many of us made major life choices because of this poetic faith we had in a different way of life. "The ideals of our most idealistic time" is a phrase I use: I wanted to grow up And still retain that childhood awe, and then for me to be in education And Pass that along to children -- That felt authentic, and wHat a joy to get the opportunity to do that. There were battles, but they were worth it. And When I fight, I make sure the issue is worth it and I fight fair. Helen: I will share the haiku and for $19.99 you can have the whole description a And the scenes in nepal where this took place. So Long before I was traipsing around tHe world I was a creative kid with a math brain too, so the sparse creatiVity and syllable limits of the haiku form were fun for me. so in 1989 I'm trekking in nepal alone and I comE to what seems to Be an impassable river, and a storm seems to be coming, so I take a seat and start tossing pebbles into tHis calm eddy off the main raging river channel, and "Ripple" from American Beauty is in my head: "Ripple in still wa- ter, when there is no Pebble tossed, noR wind to blow" (This is the "official" Haiku, a 5-7-5 pattern, but you see how I have to break up wa-ter to get it to work, which is legit, in fact ingenious on Garcia/Hunter's enD of thIngs) - and now I'm seeinG sunshine peeking through, and raIn slowing and thE river seems to be calming a bit, and I want to keep the momentum goinG and I sense something, so I apply the 5-7-5 pattern to tother verses: "You who choose to lead, must follow, but if you fall, you fall alone, if "You stand, then who's to Guide you? If I knew the way I would take you home." It doesn't get any better than this gorgeous lullaby: the delicate haiku structure, david grisman's ethereal mandolin, and of all their song closures where they go home, (He's come to take his childreN .....; May the 4 winds Blow you safely ........) "Ripple" is my favorite, the vulnerability of "If I knew the way ........." just hits the right emotional chord. JerRy Garcia never mansplAins, he really wants to help but he's got some challenges of his own. By this time the sun has come out and tHe rain has stopped and within a few minutes A very unusual event occurs tHat alLows mE to cross the river and make it to the next village. The sacred haiku rhythm may have guided me through this tough interlude, and thE question of the "lost Syllable" remains. In order to be fully true to the 5-7-5 pattern, somewhere in the sequence I found a seamless way to fade out an excess sylLable. Shouldn't be that hard to finD. Thanks to All and gooD night. My pattern has been to spend 2-3 hours leading into midnight (oR Later)s on Inkwell each night if that helps at all with anyone'sschedule.
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permalink #30 of 81: Alex Davie (icenine) Sun 23 Jun 24 01:58
permalink #30 of 81: Alex Davie (icenine) Sun 23 Jun 24 01:58
More on this song later and my work with adolescents directly out of San Mateo Julie Hall. Meant to say ..San Mateo Juvie Hall.. Have not told this story yet in any topic or Conf. here since I joined the WElL in 2013 so here goes: After dropping out in 1970, I was living at home in St. Louis so I kicked around there for a year or so doing various things until the draw or pull was so strong that I knew I had to return to Bay Area so I convinced my parents that I would re-enroll in college with a twist..Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio had opened up a campus in downtown San Francisco in what is known now as South of Market but in 1971 it was just a campus in an old warehouse on the second floor near the Greyhound Bus Station..so I sold my VW Van in St. Louis, flew back to the Bay Area without a car, found some place to stay and attended classes at Antioch..classes consisted of trying to figure out for our selves what it is that we wanted, as students, to do with our work and life..various entities (non-profits and others) around the Bay Area would advertise with Antioch various internships.. as an aside, Bob AKA Robert Scheer was on the faculty at the time..so I took in some sessions with him at the helm and noticed a non-profit agency in San Mateo that had an internship available at a place called Pedregal House..the intern would live at the house for room and board while helping to out to learn how to work with these adolescents..all the adolescents in Pedregal House (PH) came straight out of San Mateo Juvie Hall and would live there while attending San Mateo High School..while living there, they would do chores like learning how to cook meals for all and cleaning etc..the expectation was that these cats and kitties would attend group and individual sessions while working on the issues that got them into Juvie in the first place.. the place was run by a cat named Jeff Felix (I kid you not) who I interviewed with..he explained to me that the goal of PH was for these adolescents to eventually graduate from PH and high school, leave and become productive members of society armed with their new-found self-knowledge and function without becoming recidivists to the system..so I got the internship, moved into PH and began to learn how I could help these kids learn about themselves..we, as counselors, attended our own group sessions where we did the same things as the kids.. Long story short, I eventually graduated and got credit from Antioch and PH..moved to Montara where I roomed with another counselor and a cat named Roger Freeburg and ended up oworking at PH for several years while attending as many shows as I could..Jeff was very lenient with me about this proclivity of mine so it was a grate time to be alive and young in the Bay Area
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permalink #31 of 81: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sun 23 Jun 24 02:09
permalink #31 of 81: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sun 23 Jun 24 02:09
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permalink #32 of 81: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sun 23 Jun 24 02:09
permalink #32 of 81: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sun 23 Jun 24 02:09
Redevelopment drift hidden.
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permalink #33 of 81: Gary Lambert (almanac) Sun 23 Jun 24 09:34
permalink #33 of 81: Gary Lambert (almanac) Sun 23 Jun 24 09:34
Hi, Donn! Sorry to be getting to the discussion a bit late, but I had a busy, mostly Well-deprived week. Eager to dip into things here, but BEFORE I DO... I just wanted to let anyone with access to SiriusXM Radio know that Donn will be joining <tnf> and I on "Tales From The Golden Road," our weekly talk show on the Grateful Dead Channel (Ch. 23), which airs this afternoon from 4-6 pm Eastern/1-3 pm Pacific (those dwelling in the zones in between, please adjust accordingly!).
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permalink #34 of 81: Gary Lambert (almanac) Sun 23 Jun 24 12:59
permalink #34 of 81: Gary Lambert (almanac) Sun 23 Jun 24 12:59
Check that! David is feeling a bit under the weather today, and won't be co-hosting "Tales," so we're gonna reschedule Donn for sometime soon. And let's wish our pal a speedy recovery!
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permalink #35 of 81: dkh67 (dkh67) Sun 23 Jun 24 14:47
permalink #35 of 81: dkh67 (dkh67) Sun 23 Jun 24 14:47
thanks gary, i'll check in with you guys next week. I was on the facebook page wishing david well and I look forward to any time we can carve out.
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permalink #36 of 81: dkh67 (dkh67) Sun 23 Jun 24 14:51
permalink #36 of 81: dkh67 (dkh67) Sun 23 Jun 24 14:51
And Hi to Mary Mazzocco on response #32 -- it just says redevelopment drift hidden (Maybe that meant "DRAFT") --so maybe something didn't come through.
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permalink #37 of 81: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sun 23 Jun 24 15:23
permalink #37 of 81: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sun 23 Jun 24 15:23
<31> is my hot take on Jerry Brown and redevelopment. I hid it because it lacks Grateful Dead content. I would point out however, that my husband the affordable housing developer was a major Deadhead, like many folks in the industry in the 1990s and 00s. And thats the best I can do to bring it back around on topic. ;-)
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permalink #38 of 81: David Gans (tnf) Mon 24 Jun 24 08:48
permalink #38 of 81: David Gans (tnf) Mon 24 Jun 24 08:48
I wound up in the ER last night at about nine, and after several tests, I was diagnosed with diverticulitis and I've begun course of treatment that has so involved Three courses of IV antibiotics! My wife is going to bring me my computer in a little while, and I will be able to catch up and participate in this topic again.
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permalink #39 of 81: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Mon 24 Jun 24 09:05
permalink #39 of 81: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Mon 24 Jun 24 09:05
Wow, sorry to hear that, David. Diverticulitis hurts! Hope you're recovering quickly.
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permalink #40 of 81: Axon (axon) Mon 24 Jun 24 09:23
permalink #40 of 81: Axon (axon) Mon 24 Jun 24 09:23
Oh man. Healing beams on full.
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permalink #41 of 81: Frako Loden (frako) Mon 24 Jun 24 13:03
permalink #41 of 81: Frako Loden (frako) Mon 24 Jun 24 13:03
Geez, David, now it's diverticulitis!
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permalink #42 of 81: Alex Davie (icenine) Mon 24 Jun 24 16:52
permalink #42 of 81: Alex Davie (icenine) Mon 24 Jun 24 16:52
Good Grief, dude! Close the windows theyre coming in the doors Close the doors theyre coming in the windows Beamage for a quick recovery being sent from here to there
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permalink #43 of 81: dkh67 (dkh67) Tue 25 Jun 24 01:13
permalink #43 of 81: dkh67 (dkh67) Tue 25 Jun 24 01:13
David: Sunday's "Tales From the Golden Road" show offered you a rush of get well sentiments and I don't know that any of us knew You were in the e.r., so hopefully medication and rest can calm the inflammation soon. While I was in college I was a front desk coordinator at Santa Monica Hospital emergency, an intense and unforgettable 5 years. Anyway, more good wishes and just thanks for being you, as was said on Sunday multiple times. To Kickstart ideas and for me to clarify what i was trying to say in crafting the book -- I knew the world of adults I was experiencing while growing up was inauthentic and judgmentaL, and with my fierce drive to forge new paths I needed a soundtrack, and if it weren't for the deadI would have had to develop a unified code from various sources. The Dead created a whole package that gave context to hardship, disappointment, weirdness, adventure. "I know you rider" - I could be the rider, having left the petty and mundane world behind, I might be getting across the rio grande because the cue stick was crooked and they're looking to place The blame somewhere instead of just saying, as a deadhead wouLd: "Man, with the cue stick this fucked up, we can't judge what's going on, Let's work a little differently for now." That's too frightening for people, they live in fear of the person just above them and work very hard at masking imperfections. That's the world I was hoping we'd left behind. near the end of the main narrative, I wrote this about what I had learned from 1970-1995: life is a joyous but tricky adventure, there will be bullets to dodge and fools to outwit and wealth in countless places but often hidden. If I kept alert I could hear the avalanche from far off ....... and (I learned) that most conventional wisdom is only conventional. Maybe the best lesson of all was the adjustment Jerry Garcia made in "Touch of Grey" -- when "I will survive" becomes "we will survive." Now each time I start to use "I" in a sweeping statement, my personal translator plugs in "We", and Hell, I'm A better mAn for it, we're all better for believing in each other.We're here together on this spinning ball of rock and water and Ice, dizzy with possibilities, dizzy with eternity.
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permalink #44 of 81: David Gans (tnf) Tue 25 Jun 24 09:17
permalink #44 of 81: David Gans (tnf) Tue 25 Jun 24 09:17
It is kind of wonderful how many lines from Grateful Dead songs can be put to use in thinking about our lives.
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permalink #45 of 81: dkh67 (dkh67) Tue 25 Jun 24 16:13
permalink #45 of 81: dkh67 (dkh67) Tue 25 Jun 24 16:13
Yes, it is so true. They tapped into something at once unique and universal. In one of the addenda in the book I list all the different "Americana" names they created -- Stella Blue, Tennessee jed, Althea, etc. ........ it's an amAzing cast of characters who evoke people in oUr lives ....... it's epic, like the vedas for the 60s counter-culture. The annotated Lyrics from david dodd read like that. Robert hunter especially was well-versed in poetic traditions going back millennia. So kit connects us to each other and to the ages.
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permalink #46 of 81: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 25 Jun 24 19:00
permalink #46 of 81: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 25 Jun 24 19:00
you guys have illuminated something for me: i saw the dead for the first time maybe sometime in the late 60s and simply thought they were a good band to rock out to. have been amazed how they and deadhead culture became what it did. -anyway-, you seem to be saying that dead lyrics are sort of sacred texts, which deadheads use to guide themselves and find meaning. i really had no idea. and yes, i am a heretic/miscreant/unbeliever. which is not to say i havent found some song lyrics moving/apt expressions for whatever might have been going on in my life...but none for me have been guides for living. would you say most deadheads feel this way? (ducking)...
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permalink #47 of 81: Andrew Alden (alden) Tue 25 Jun 24 22:29
permalink #47 of 81: Andrew Alden (alden) Tue 25 Jun 24 22:29
Put it this way, lines from Dead songs keep surfacing as we go about our lives, all the time. Not whole verses or songs, just lines. Little gnomic nuggets that Robert Hunter and Perry Barlow snatched out of the air one afternoon long ago.
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permalink #48 of 81: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 25 Jun 24 23:07
permalink #48 of 81: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 25 Jun 24 23:07
do you think this is true for most deadheads? just trying to understand...
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permalink #49 of 81: Axon (axon) Wed 26 Jun 24 07:35
permalink #49 of 81: Axon (axon) Wed 26 Jun 24 07:35
What makes a lyric work is resonance; it expresses a univeral truth in a way that makes it instantly comprehensible, as though you'd always known it but never had the words to articulate it. Both Hunter and Barlow had a gift for that sort of wordplay while trafficking in archetypes. And, of course, once you hear it, you can't unhear it, so when life presents the conditions, the lyric returns unbidden. When a person immerses in the vast pool of lyrical motifs from the Dead's repertoire, there are also cross connections between songs, themes, and narratives. So yeah, it likely is true for most deadheads. It's a conceptual toolkit for sensemaking. It's not solely true with Dead lyrics, of course. I find it intuitive to relate real world experience to the idioms and narrative arcs found in roots musics, from Robert Johnson and Jimmie Rodgers to John Prine and Guy Clark, and all the stops in between. The timelessness of meaning persists, and taps the intrepid seeker's awareness to suit the situation. There's a reason why every faith practice and wisdom tradition through history uses song to confer persistent understanding: it's sticky af.
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permalink #50 of 81: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Wed 26 Jun 24 08:41
permalink #50 of 81: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Wed 26 Jun 24 08:41
One thing you have with Dead lyrics that you might not have with John Prine is a large, diverse community that will recognize the quoted lyrics, remember their greater context, and understand what you are implying by quoting them. That makes Dead lyrics kind of like Shakespeare and the Bible.
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