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permalink #51 of 95: seanan (seanan) Fri 30 Aug 24 10:33
permalink #51 of 95: seanan (seanan) Fri 30 Aug 24 10:33
> I've been blocked for so long that I wonder if I'm still a writer? Looking back at my written works, I wonder who wrote those lucid bits of prose, it couldn't have been me? Both of these things are eminently relatable. It would surprise me if any writer or other artist here hadnt been in these positions more than one time. > "I was simmering, simmering, simmering . . . Emerson brought me to a boil." is a stunner of a quote. Nancy, thank you for that ramble. Your work ethic and self-awareness are impressive. As Erin has just crossed a continent, following a series of inner and outer journeys, and is doubtless facing more of the inner, if not the imminent outer, I shall share some of the WELLish Kate-in-auction moments. Give me a moment, please, to gather moments. I shall return with a younger Erin and a first book, both in pixel form.
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permalink #52 of 95: seanan (seanan) Fri 30 Aug 24 10:45
permalink #52 of 95: seanan (seanan) Fri 30 Aug 24 10:45
We are in October 2008, and Erin is an unpublished novelist. The posts will leapfrog. We arent going to follow every breathless breath of the journey. >First response to PLAIN KATE .... .... which is from an editor who says she can't read it until the week after next. Still exciting, though. # Agent called -- big nibbles from big fish. Nothing firm. Terribly exciting!!!! # We have now heard from seven of eight editors, and have extended the auction until Thursday morning (eight days from now) because one of the editors wanting to participate is in Frankfurt. Agent Emily reminds me gently that not everyone who is invited to the tea party will necessarily show up with crumpets. I know this. But -- GUYS!!! # I'm a little worried about how excited I am. If we don't get an offer I may need to go into supportive care.) # One publisher sent their offer in a treasure chest w/ a scroll. Another had an objarka (the things Kate carves) made for me. It will be very hard to choose. ## Seanan again. Im stopping here because a treasure chest, scroll, and objarka make a fabulous place to pause. The request, Erin, is of course for reflection around this revisitation and how it is for now-you, reading/re-meeting then-you in this day. Trusting you to ward your boundaries and reveal and open no more than feels safe and comfortable.
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permalink #53 of 95: Nancy White (choco) Fri 30 Aug 24 13:00
permalink #53 of 95: Nancy White (choco) Fri 30 Aug 24 13:00
Loved reading this!
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permalink #54 of 95: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Fri 30 Aug 24 14:45
permalink #54 of 95: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Fri 30 Aug 24 14:45
An auction ! That takes ball///// gonads!
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permalink #55 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Fri 30 Aug 24 19:58
permalink #55 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Fri 30 Aug 24 19:58
Hello I have crossed the contient. My goodness the story of selling my first novel seems like a long time ago. My favorite part of that story -- the auction closed the first week of November of 2008, at the same time when Obama was first elected. In my family we were over the moon about both those things. I remember my hubby and I going out to lunch with our kids; the oldest had just turned three. They (the kids) didn't understand why we were so excited, and we tried to explain how exactly our lives might get a bit better. Their little eyes got big and quite solemnly they asked: "Can all my jellybeans be red?" Red jellybeans are still the congratulatory gift in my family, and in my writers' group -- which is still together all these years later. Said kid is about to turn 19, the legal drinking age, but I think would still prefer red jellybeans to champagne.
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permalink #56 of 95: Seanan (seanan) Sat 31 Aug 24 04:45
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permalink #57 of 95: seanan (seanan) Sat 31 Aug 24 04:45
permalink #57 of 95: seanan (seanan) Sat 31 Aug 24 04:45
Thank you. It was, in many many ways, a long time ago. Red jelly beans neatly bring us back to What are some things that lift you out of the glums? The lift neednt be complete. The things neednt be things. The glums neednt be glums. There are variations aplenty on all themes. Pluck your nourishing/healing string(s), as and when (and, indeed, if) you will.
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permalink #58 of 95: Can all my jellybeans be red? (aslan) Sat 31 Aug 24 08:18
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What a wonderful pseud.
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permalink #60 of 95: David Albert (aslan) Sat 31 Aug 24 08:23
permalink #60 of 95: David Albert (aslan) Sat 31 Aug 24 08:23
I think many of us who read _Simon_ would love to know if you have more upper-elementary-school books in the pipeline. In the meantime I should read some of your Young Adult fiction. Is there one in particular you would recommend I start with?
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permalink #61 of 95: seanan (seanan) Sat 31 Aug 24 13:44
permalink #61 of 95: seanan (seanan) Sat 31 Aug 24 13:44
If I may, Id recommend asking for a reading list, rather than the single next book. Its a rare gift to be able ask an author to arrange their books on your shelf. Its possible that Erin will have some questions for you first. That, I cannot know.
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permalink #62 of 95: Nancy White (choco) Sat 31 Aug 24 15:08
permalink #62 of 95: Nancy White (choco) Sat 31 Aug 24 15:08
yes please
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permalink #63 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Sat 31 Aug 24 15:44
permalink #63 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Sat 31 Aug 24 15:44
Yes -- besides SIMON, there are five other novels, and three books of poetry. Confining myself to the novels for a moment ... they are quite different, one from the other, and different folks might like different ones for different reasons. To think simply about reading level: if you want another upper-elementary-school book, I'd try STAND ON THE SKY, my only other solidly middle-grade novel. (PLAIN KATE straddles the line between MG and YA.) STAND ON TEH SKY is the book that saw Seanan and I trooping about Mongolia in the research stages. The hero is a Kazakh nomad girl named Aisulu. She and her brother Serik are out having an adventure one day, and try to capture a golden eagle. In the process Serik breaks his leg -- revealing a hidden medical weakness -- and they kill the eagle. Aisulu's parents take Serik away for treatment, and Aisulu is left with her rather strange and difficult aunt and uncle, and trying to save the eaglet that she accidentally orphaned. It's a book about being the "glass child," the sibling of the child in crisis, the one folks look right through. It's a book about finding one's place in a shifting family. It's about culture and heritage as a source of both strength and restriction, about how amazing and hard it is to break ground. It is, despite its setting, my most autobiographical book. It's got both a prize sticker and an animal on the cover, and as a person who grew up reading SOUNDER and THE YEARLING and WHERE THE RED FERN F*CKING GROWS it's important to me to note *the eagle does not die*. And in SIMON SORT OF SAYS, nothing bad happens to the dog. Anyway. You may well want to sort books in some way other than recommended age of the reader, and if so I am happy to help.
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permalink #64 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Sat 31 Aug 24 16:00
permalink #64 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Sat 31 Aug 24 16:00
>I think many of us who read _Simon_ would love to know if you have more upper-elementary-school books in the pipeline. I mentioned somewhere that I would like to talk more broadly about slates and pipelines ... but am not quite sure how to frame the conversation. What's on my slate? I have recently sold a three-book series of lower-elementary-school books that hit the slightly younger CHARLOTTE'S WEB / TALE OF DESPEREAUX / WILD ROBOT demographic. I'm working on an all-ages non-fiction book that be labelled MG, I think. I have one adult novel -- a big sprawly historical SF that is finished but needs to be revised before I sell it. I have two more adult novels on back burners. And, indeed, I have just started another book with protagonists about the same age as SIMON and company. Also, I am writing a "bible" to guide the transformation of an existing pair of books -- THE SCORPION RULES and THE SWAN RIDERS -- into television. Does that sound like a lot? Just now it feels like a lot. But of course it's not as if all of them are due next month, or indeed at all. Only the talking animal books and the non-fiction are under contract. I believe it's fairly normal for working writers to have multiple projects at various stages of completion, all at once. Having this many is new to me, and results from a) getting backlogged do to a long struggle with long-COVID, and b) publishers getting excited about me after the Newbery and willing to commit to series stuff, and c) me getting more ambitious and excited too, and also feeling my mortality in the wake of the death of my mother two years ago, and wanting to put more books into the world in the time given to me. Also, I very recently quit my day job. I'm curious to hear other writers talk about switching between projects -- or not. On balance I like it. But sometimes it feels like juggling marbles. Or cats.
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permalink #65 of 95: Seanan (seanan) Sat 31 Aug 24 17:18
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permalink #66 of 95: seanan (seanan) Sat 31 Aug 24 17:19
permalink #66 of 95: seanan (seanan) Sat 31 Aug 24 17:19
Theres a lot in there. Is there anything you feel like expanding on, exploring, or poking around in? If the emotional parts are too much to handle (which anyone would understand and respect), then perhaps theres something enjoyable/worthwhile for you in the Whats on the slate? paragraph.
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permalink #67 of 95: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Sun 1 Sep 24 00:51
permalink #67 of 95: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Sun 1 Sep 24 00:51
I'm a very minor ... "emergent" songwriter with a bit of poetry. Songs are mostly unrequited love (requited is boring), or long historical ballads, eg "Anita and Clarence". The start and middle are easy ... but I run into trouble at the end -- I sometimes have TWO endings, and sing one, the other or both. I heard some advice on Jane Austin and Movies: Skip the last chapter (books) , and walk out 5 minutes early (movies)! Skip the staged "happy ending". Erin, anyone else ... do you have a last-chapter problem?
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permalink #68 of 95: seanan (seanan) Mon 2 Sep 24 12:03
permalink #68 of 95: seanan (seanan) Mon 2 Sep 24 12:03
Ill have a probably unsatisfactory go at offering one response to this. It depends. Farewells and endings in fictional and what-we-call-real life can be problematical and troubling, as can the illusion of closure, which is surely part of writing an ending or purposefully not. Ive struggled with the perfect death of a not-so-imaginary dragon. I struggled with it after writing, rewriting, and revising it. It was only when one of the most trusted readers in my eraser-sized circles said shed cried at the dragons end that the finish stopped niggling in my mind. It wanted that litmus test. In a story about a strong-willed teen who tossed her cultures rules over a waterfall, the protagonist knew exactly where she wanted to end up, what she wanted to do in her after-novel life, and with whom she wanted to have an ever-after (herself, on her terms). That book all fifty thousand words of it wrote itself in ten days. There was no time for problems. With the current work in never-ending progress, there has never been a choice about the ending. That was penned in the ink of a centuries-dead hand. The beginning, the middle, and the way the endings formed those shades and shapes are mine, and each decision seasons the scents and flavors of the end. In editorial, book doula, and story-judging (with feedback on what works and what needs work), I encounter enough too-tidy endings, fade-to-flaccid-grey endings, denouements that are out of true with the rest of the work, and other variations on not-quite to know that you are anything but alone. People talk more about struggles with beginning work, but ending a story is just as hard and thats without factoring in leaving a world and saying goodbye to your people; those things are _hard_.
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permalink #69 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Mon 2 Sep 24 17:35
permalink #69 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Mon 2 Sep 24 17:35
Hey all ... So if I were writing about right now it would be "how i write when depression sledgehammers me," which is "I mostly don't." Landing at home after being away through August has certainly let my father's death, on August 19, catch up with me. But also, let's talk about how and where writing bogs. For me, it's not generally either the ending or the beginning, it's the middle. I start a book with something I call "the original equipment" -- a handful of characters and something a bit more than a premise and less than a plot. For Plain Kate, I had Plain Kate herself, and the notion that she was an orphaned woodcarver's daughter, who sells her shadow and gets in return (unexpectedly) a talking cat. The girl, the cat, and the bad-guy witch who deals in shadows and wishes were all gifts from the universe -- I didn't invent them so much as discover them. Generally, the original equipment provides a pretty solid framework for the first third or so of a book. Establish the girl, the witch, the cat, the world and the girl's place in it, and the way magic works. Back her into a corner so that selling her shadow seems like a good idea. Do that. Uh oh, a talking cat isn't exactly what we need to escape the witch-burning mobs. Now what? I generally get stuck in the "now what?" How do I take the set-up and spin it into a story? I generally don't have an ending in mind, or a way to write toward it. So that's where things bog down. Sometimes I have a few set-pieces I can jump to, and I do -- I often write books out of order. Usually I follow characters around until they do something interesting. Sometimes they don't, or I head down a dead-end path. I just kind of keep noodling at it, adding words without making much progress, sometimes for quite some time. And then one day I'll see the ending, and I'll suddenly know what the story is about, and I'll stay up all night and write a treatment of the rest of the book, which tells me what I can use from the boggy bits and what I can't and what the road through looks like and how the book ends, and that gets me rolling again. Granted, I am often wrong about the ending. But it feels good at the time.
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permalink #70 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Mon 2 Sep 24 17:36
permalink #70 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Mon 2 Sep 24 17:36
Parenthetically, I like the "skip the last chapter" advice so much that I have a reputation in my writing group as "revising with a cleaver." I often recommend people cut off the first chapter or the last chapter -- or even more often, the first stanza and the last stanza. I think in general it's good advice to start as late as you can, and end as soon as you can. But that might be a technique for revising, not writing. Revising is your chance to make it look like you did everything on purpose.
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permalink #71 of 95: seanan (seanan) Mon 2 Sep 24 18:22
permalink #71 of 95: seanan (seanan) Mon 2 Sep 24 18:22
I carry a hatchet and a hacksaw into revisions, but only with my work. With other people, I am more kind. (Please, please tell me to cut my first chapter. Or three. [Hatchet. Ready.]) May the processing be thorough, the healing full, and the ramp out of the bog closer than you think. As youve brought up the topic of cats, Erin, you have animals of non-human varieties in your life. How do they inspire you and your work?
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permalink #72 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Wed 4 Sep 24 15:50
permalink #72 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Wed 4 Sep 24 15:50
Animals! I grew up with animals pets, livestock, wildlife. Right now, my family has two cats, a big dog, a water garden full of goldfish and frogs, and a yard full of bird feeders and bat houses and toad hides. In the summer of 2022 I got a cat named Cygnus Im the kind of person who names their cat after the first discovered black hole. Hes a big bruiser of a snuggle cat, an ex-feral with a clipped ear and a broken nose who wheezes when he purrs and snores when he sleeps. He came into my life at just the right time, because 2023 was a tough year. Long Covid left me literally unable to get out of bed, for months. I am blessed with family and friends who helped get me through this, but not one of them was willing to spend all day every day tucked up under my arm purring. It sounds dramatic, but I genuinely dont know how I would have gotten through that year without Cyg. So ... Animals are so much a part of my life that, to me, a setting without animals doesnt feel like the real world. If I ever set a book on a spaceship, I will include the ships cat. Its just how I think about the world.
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permalink #73 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Wed 4 Sep 24 15:54
permalink #73 of 95: Erin Bow (erinbow) Wed 4 Sep 24 15:54
I posted too soon, but it was getting long anyway. I'll just leave it and add. The actual question was about how animals inspire .... Most of my books have important animal-human relationships. Two of them -- PLAIN KATE and STAND ON THE SKY -- have animal-human relationships which are so central that the story would not even exist if the animal were removed. I'm drawn to including animals in my books. The relationships we have with animals are so rich, and so different than the ones we have with other humans. We connect to our animals with our emotions and our physical selves. We connect to our human friends that way, too, but the raw honesty our pets see can get buried under words and ideas, under roles that they want us to play but that might not suit us, under stories we tell about ourselves that might not be true. In SIMON SORT OF SAYS, Simon tells stories to hide his past, and struggles with the stories other people tell about him. But then he gets Hercules the puppy. Herc isnt interested in those stories of course hes not. Simon and his dog can only be honest with each other they can only be afraid together, or happy together, or tender with each other. Simons relationship with Hercules helps him get out from under the weight of the stories of his past.
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permalink #74 of 95: seanan (seanan) Wed 4 Sep 24 17:46
permalink #74 of 95: seanan (seanan) Wed 4 Sep 24 17:46
And Herc never says We need to talk or drowns his sorrows in a can of beer. Cygnus is a joy that can be felt across borders. I still question who got whom. Either way, it is beyond good that you found each other. Its true about relationships with animals. In the past month, one dog, one nineteen-year-old indoor/outdoor cat (We recently passed our tenth anniversary. I bought him a tin of posh cat food with a quail egg in it.), and a pigeon. In one sprawl of a Victorian house, I used to wake between a pit bull (who liked to lie in my lap when I was meditating) and the aforementioned cat. Even in the heat of summer, their bracketing snuggle was comforting. This switching of animals calls to mind other changes. PLAIN KATE, SIMON SORT OF SAYS, STAND ON THE SKY, SCORPION RULES Would you like to talk about hopping around genres?
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permalink #75 of 95: David Albert (aslan) Sat 7 Sep 24 08:29
permalink #75 of 95: David Albert (aslan) Sat 7 Sep 24 08:29
When you think about potential for triggering strong emotions (traumatic, or otherwise) when reading a book, it is all so personal. My own edge of the seat this isnt going to end well feeling while reading the book was all about Simon is going to have to give up Hercules.
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