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permalink #551 of 578: magdalen (magdalen) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:29
permalink #551 of 578: magdalen (magdalen) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:29
a zillion people on the interwebs?
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permalink #552 of 578: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:32
permalink #552 of 578: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:32
I guess I figured Jon was referring to this conversation.
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permalink #553 of 578: magdalen (magdalen) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:37
permalink #553 of 578: magdalen (magdalen) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:37
> Well, I love the deep blue bubble of Eugene. you are living in one part of Eugene's many cultures, axon. what you might not realize is that even some people who wear tie dyes and otherwise signal Eugene hippie or post-hippie tendencies voted for Trump. including one of my dearest friends. Eugene, Oregon is scattered with many different views and viewpoints, cultures and subcultures.
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permalink #554 of 578: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:56
permalink #554 of 578: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:56
I'm bombarded with messages from media and social media telling me how to think. No, I wasn't just referring to this conversation. T has it right in <551>.
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permalink #555 of 578: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:59
permalink #555 of 578: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:59
"Braver Angels is leading the nation's largest cross-partisan, volunteer-led movement to bridge the partisan divide for the good of our democratic republic. Coming out of the election, we're bringing together 'We the People' to find a hopeful alternative to toxic politics. The American Hope campaign is equipping Americans across the political spectrum to work together and demand the same of politicians from both parties." <https://braverangels.org/>
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permalink #556 of 578: Axon (axon) Fri 22 Nov 24 16:02
permalink #556 of 578: Axon (axon) Fri 22 Nov 24 16:02
>even some people who wear tie dyes and otherwise signal Eugene hippie or post-hippie tendencies voted for Trump Undoubtedly. We were just discussin elsewell the astonishing number of people in the music community who are, how shall one say, low propensity. But so far they've had the presence of mind to keep it to themselves. But I pay more attention to how the city conducts its business, as directed by voters, to assess the congeniality of the electorate. While there is always an opposition to various woke af city policies (Eugene is putting on a clinic on how to respond to homelessness, e.g.), it so rarely prevails. One downside of that is a critical shortage of affordable housing, just as one example of too much of a good thing (reflexive hostility to new development). But even that is being addressed. I imagine there are more conservatives to be found in Duck Nation, say, but I don't run in those circles. In any event, I haven't seen a single Trump yard sign during the whole election cycle within the city limits. You don't have to go too far into the surrounding county to find them, but even then, the Harris/Walz signs represent honorably. Even on the coast, I saw far more Harris signs than Trump signs. No survey less scientific, I know. >you are living in one part of Eugene's many cultures Well, I'm living in a fairly upscale proto-new urban development in what I otherwise describe as "the estate sale district"; lots of senior housing around here (Bethel/Danebo). We've gotten to know a lot of our neighbors and if there's a seam of deep red residents here, nobody's heard from them. But it's not like we're in the Whit. No place on earth is purely either liberal or conservative, but I feel pretty confident that there are few medium sized cities in this country as defiantly progressive as Eugene, and those are similarly influenced by the presence of a major university (Berkeley, Ann Arbor, Austin, e.g.), and none of them are MAGA free, either. As a refuge to hold out and see what fresh hell the Blutocrats can actually mobilize, it seems fairly safe. I grew up in a college town surrounded by ag (Columbia, MO), and moved here from another (Chico, CA), so I know that a liberal enclave still harbors many who resent and oppose the values that define the cultural gestalt. And that experience with similar communities informs my perspective. I feel no obligation to immerse myself in atavistic cultures to "understand their issues". Their priorities and policy ambitions aren't exactly opaque. In any event, we're five minutes from the airport, with passports up to date and go bags packed.
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permalink #557 of 578: magdalen (magdalen) Fri 22 Nov 24 16:33
permalink #557 of 578: magdalen (magdalen) Fri 22 Nov 24 16:33
funny, the friend i mentioned lives in your neighborhood.
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permalink #558 of 578: magdalen (magdalen) Fri 22 Nov 24 16:35
permalink #558 of 578: magdalen (magdalen) Fri 22 Nov 24 16:35
and why didn't this post? hm. trying to say i like Ezra Klein and how he repeatedly holds Dems' feet to the fire, and explores interesting issues and approaches. all hail critical thinking!! a new episode is up. i'm enjoying the intro and will see how the interview/conversations flow. the blurb for it follows: The core conflict in our politics right now is over institutions. Democrats defend them, while Republicans distrust them, and seek, in some cases, to eliminate them. This is really bad. Itâs bad for institutions when Republicans are elected, because of the damage they might inflict. And itâs bad for institutions when Democrats are elected, because when youâre so committed to protecting something, itâs hard to be clear-eyed or honest about all the ways itâs failing. And when Democrats wonât admit to the problems that so many Americans can see and feel, that creates a huge opening for the right. So, what are Democrats missing?" link: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1548604447?i=10006 77890883
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permalink #559 of 578: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Sat 23 Nov 24 01:25
permalink #559 of 578: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Sat 23 Nov 24 01:25
Yeah. Saw that too and will give it a listen.
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permalink #560 of 578: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Sat 23 Nov 24 05:00
permalink #560 of 578: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Sat 23 Nov 24 05:00
Some (many) of the institutions that Republicans view as "failing" are doing just fine. They're not perfect, but they're doing their jobs, and well. For Republicans, that's a problem. They're viewed as failing because their very mission stands in contravention to fascist values, and because there's been a false narrative beaten into thick, low-propensity skulls that they're failing in spite of evidence to the contrary. These institutions are being blamed for inevitable societal shifts, and for the economic exploitation that's been squeezing the working class, and strip-mining the middle class out of existence. Some of these institutions are being targeted because they (the so-called 'deep state') are the bulwarks against the oligarchy's ability to mine wealth from labor and taxpayers. Many are targeted because ginning up the social grievances they can be tied to provides the electoral fulcrum needed to destroy that bulwark. Democrats are right to defend these institutions.
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permalink #561 of 578: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Sat 23 Nov 24 06:59
permalink #561 of 578: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Sat 23 Nov 24 06:59
> Democrats defend them (institutions) What's funny to me is remembering the left-wing radical rhetoric of the 60s and getting how similar it is to the right-wing rhetoric of the 2000s... "smash the state," concern about the deep state, paranoia about the DOJ, the FBI and CIA, etc. The left wasn't defending the institutions back then. They were deeply paranoid about them and wanting to take them down. But they were coming from a different place, and would never have got funding and support from oligarchs.
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permalink #562 of 578: David Gans (tnf) Sat 23 Nov 24 08:53
permalink #562 of 578: David Gans (tnf) Sat 23 Nov 24 08:53
I am 100% behind <jstraw>'s <560>
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permalink #563 of 578: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sat 23 Nov 24 09:27
permalink #563 of 578: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sat 23 Nov 24 09:27
Heres a lefty song from the Nixon era. A call to Let It All Fall Down. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svc3cIjX1R4>
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permalink #564 of 578: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sat 23 Nov 24 09:27
permalink #564 of 578: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sat 23 Nov 24 09:27
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permalink #565 of 578: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sat 23 Nov 24 09:29
permalink #565 of 578: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sat 23 Nov 24 09:29
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permalink #566 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sat 23 Nov 24 09:33
permalink #566 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sat 23 Nov 24 09:33
While I think there are many institutions in need of reform forfailing to assist people anywhere near as well as they could, I also think the facts bear Michael out that our regulatory and social welfare systems "are being targeted because they...are the bulwarks against the oligarchy's ability to mine wealth from labor and taxpayers. Many are targeted because ginning up the social grievances they can be tied to provides the electoral fulcrum needed to destroy that bulwark." Also: There's a significant crossover between the powerful people in it for the wealth and impunity, with the powerful people whose values and beliefs run counter to equality and equity for women and people of color and LGBTQ+ people and Indigenous peoples.
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permalink #567 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sat 23 Nov 24 09:34
permalink #567 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sat 23 Nov 24 09:34
I thought Jon Stewart's description of how the Democrats have been acting since the election was perfect: "The Audacity of Cope."
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permalink #568 of 578: a (coiro) Sat 23 Nov 24 11:28
permalink #568 of 578: a (coiro) Sat 23 Nov 24 11:28
jstraw, I'd like to share that whole post on Bluesky - first, for the very value of what it says; secondly, as an example of discourse on the Well. With your name or not, as you prefer. Permission, please?
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permalink #569 of 578: David Gans (tnf) Sat 23 Nov 24 12:10
permalink #569 of 578: David Gans (tnf) Sat 23 Nov 24 12:10
Well worth sharing!
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permalink #570 of 578: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Sat 23 Nov 24 14:43
permalink #570 of 578: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Sat 23 Nov 24 14:43
Angie, feel free to share it with or without attribution, as you see fit. I'm humbled by your desire to do so.
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permalink #571 of 578: a (coiro) Sat 23 Nov 24 15:10
permalink #571 of 578: a (coiro) Sat 23 Nov 24 15:10
I'm pleased to get it out there! Thanks.
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permalink #572 of 578: seanan (seanan) Sun 24 Nov 24 06:40
permalink #572 of 578: seanan (seanan) Sun 24 Nov 24 06:40
It deserves to be shared. May it reach hearts and minds. Thank you for bringing James Taylor to this stage, Bill.
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permalink #573 of 578: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Sun 24 Nov 24 07:21
permalink #573 of 578: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Sun 24 Nov 24 07:21
Anyone here participated in anything from the group <jonl> posted about: https://braverangels.org/ ? In particular for a "1:1 conversation?" https://braverangels.org/online/1-1-conversations/
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permalink #574 of 578: Seanan (seanan) Sun 24 Nov 24 08:34
permalink #574 of 578: Seanan (seanan) Sun 24 Nov 24 08:34
<scribbled by seanan Sun 24 Nov 24 08:35>
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permalink #575 of 578: seanan (seanan) Sun 24 Nov 24 08:35
permalink #575 of 578: seanan (seanan) Sun 24 Nov 24 08:35
Ive heard only good things about them, but the 1:1 conversations are (to me) new.
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