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permalink #551 of 558: magdalen (magdalen) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:29
    

a zillion people on the interwebs?
  
inkwell.vue.550 : Angie Coiro and Friends: Election 2024
permalink #552 of 558: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:32
    
I guess I figured Jon was referring to this conversation. 
  
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permalink #553 of 558: magdalen (magdalen) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:37
    


> Well, I love the deep blue bubble of Eugene.

you are living in one part of Eugene's many cultures, axon.

what you might not realize is that even some people who wear tie dyes and
otherwise signal Eugene hippie or post-hippie tendencies voted for Trump.
including one of my dearest friends.

Eugene, Oregon is scattered with many different views and viewpoints,
cultures and subcultures. 
  
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permalink #554 of 558: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:56
    
I'm bombarded with messages from media and social media telling me
how to think. No, I wasn't just referring to this conversation. T
has it right in <551>.
  
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permalink #555 of 558: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 22 Nov 24 14:59
    
"Braver Angels is leading the nation's largest cross-partisan,
volunteer-led movement to bridge the partisan divide for the good of
our democratic republic. Coming out of the election, we're bringing
together 'We the People' to find a hopeful alternative to toxic
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<https://braverangels.org/>
  
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permalink #556 of 558: Axon (axon) Fri 22 Nov 24 16:02
    
>even some people who wear tie dyes and otherwise signal Eugene
hippie or post-hippie tendencies voted for Trump

Undoubtedly. We were just discussin elsewell the astonishing number
of people in the music community who are, how shall one say, low
propensity. But so far they've had the presence of mind to keep it
to themselves.

But I pay more attention to how the city conducts its business, as
directed by voters, to assess the congeniality of the electorate.
While there is always an opposition to various woke af city policies
(Eugene is putting on a clinic on how to respond to homelessness,
e.g.), it so rarely prevails. One downside of that is a critical
shortage of affordable housing, just as one example of too much of a
good thing (reflexive hostility to new development). But even that
is being addressed. I imagine there are more conservatives to be
found in Duck Nation, say, but I don't run in those circles.

In any event, I haven't seen a single Trump yard sign during the
whole election cycle within the city limits. You don't have to go
too far into the surrounding county to find them, but even then, the
Harris/Walz signs represent honorably. Even on the coast, I saw far
more Harris signs than Trump signs. No survey less scientific, I
know.

>you are living in one part of Eugene's many cultures

Well, I'm living in a fairly upscale proto-new urban development in
what I otherwise describe as "the estate sale district"; lots of
senior housing around here (Bethel/Danebo). We've gotten to know a
lot of our neighbors and if there's a seam of deep red residents
here, nobody's heard from them. But it's not like we're in the Whit.

No place on earth is purely either liberal or conservative, but I
feel pretty confident that there are few medium sized cities in this
country as defiantly progressive as Eugene, and those are similarly
influenced by the presence of a major university (Berkeley, Ann
Arbor, Austin, e.g.), and none of them are MAGA free, either. As a
refuge to hold out and see what fresh hell the Blutocrats can
actually mobilize, it seems fairly safe.

I grew up in a college town surrounded by ag (Columbia, MO), and
moved here from another (Chico, CA), so I know that a liberal
enclave still harbors many who resent and oppose the values that
define the cultural gestalt. And that experience with similar
communities informs my perspective. I feel no obligation to immerse
myself in atavistic cultures to "understand their issues". Their
priorities and policy ambitions aren't exactly opaque.

In any event, we're five minutes from the airport, with passports up
to date and go bags packed.
  
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permalink #557 of 558: magdalen (magdalen) Fri 22 Nov 24 16:33
    

funny, the friend i mentioned lives in your neighborhood.
  
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permalink #558 of 558: magdalen (magdalen) Fri 22 Nov 24 16:35
    


and why didn't this post?

hm.

trying to say i like Ezra Klein and how he repeatedly  holds Dems' feet to
the fire, and explores interesting issues and approaches. all hail critical
thinking!!

a new episode is up. i'm enjoying the intro and will see how the
interview/conversations flow. the blurb for it follows:

The core conflict in our politics right now is over institutions. Democrats
defend them, while Republicans distrust them, and seek, in some cases, to
eliminate them.

This is really bad. It’s bad for institutions when Republicans are elected,
because of the damage they might inflict. And it’s bad for institutions
when Democrats are elected, because when you’re so committed to protecting
something, it’s hard to be clear-eyed or honest about all the ways it’s
failing. And when Democrats won’t admit to the problems that so many
Americans can see and feel, that creates a huge opening for the right. So,
what are Democrats missing?"


link:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1548604447?i=10006
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