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permalink #0 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 31 Oct 24 13:26
permalink #0 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 31 Oct 24 13:26
Welcome to Inkwell's Election 2024 pop-up! November 5 is Election Night in the United States. That day, and the days and weeks that follow, are probably going to be intense, complicated, and anxiety-provoking. We have created this little corner of the online world to be a haven of hosted discussion, led by some of the WELL's most media-savvy and politically nerdy members. No need to go it alone! Let's follow, analyze, agonize, and even possibly celebrate the election together.
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permalink #1 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 31 Oct 24 13:30
permalink #1 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 31 Oct 24 13:30
Our conversation lead is radio host supreme and WELL member Angie Coiro. Angies voice and interview style have been staples for Bay Area radio, TV, and podcast fans since the 1990s. Fifteen of those years were at KQED as radio announcer, news anchor, host of Friday Forum, and TV pledge drive host. She moved to the national airwaves with Mother Jones Radio on Air America. She recently retired her syndicated radio show In Deep when it reached its fifteenth anniversary. Angie currently hosts Book It, a literary interview show, on KALW San Francisco, and This Is Now, a live interview series for Keplers Literary Foundation in Menlo Park.
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permalink #2 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 31 Oct 24 13:51
permalink #2 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 31 Oct 24 13:51
A few of our Election 2024 pop-up panelists: Jennifer Powell: Jennifer spent most of her life as a community organizer. In the 1970s and 1980s she was involved in feminist organizations, food coops and peace and justice movements. She then spent several years working in environmental science, and became involved in electoral politics. Jennifer has since retired to a quiet life of gardening and BTS, and still follows current events avidly. Jon Lebkowsky: Jon is a prominent figure in the realms of digital culture, activism, and technology. He has been a writer, editor, publisher and digital culture maven for decades, exploring the intersection of technology, culture, and social activism. Along with co-hosting Inkwell and scads of other endeavors, Jon is co-founder, with Skip Sweeney, of Plutopia News Network, a freewheeling independent media organization. Emily J Gertz: Emily (I) am a journalist with two decades experience on the environmental beat covering politics, regulations, science, culture, human rights and more for many different publications. Currently, I'm a contributing editor at DeSmog, where we report on climate disinformation, denial, culpability and accountability. During the 1980s I worked as an environmental activist. I am another Inkwell co-host.
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permalink #3 of 578: David Gans (tnf) Thu 31 Oct 24 15:07
permalink #3 of 578: David Gans (tnf) Thu 31 Oct 24 15:07
David Gans here. WELL member since 1985, voter since 1972, concerned citizen since long before then.
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permalink #4 of 578: a (coiro) Sun 3 Nov 24 19:30
permalink #4 of 578: a (coiro) Sun 3 Nov 24 19:30
Let's get this party (funeral?) started! As I write this we're pushing toward Election Day Eve. Me, I've been fighting feelings of doom, flashbacks to 2016, and the occasional flutter of hope. I'll be asking the guest panel and all the Wellbeings *and* our non-Well viewers to weigh in on this: how you're feeling as we go into this, and why. Why do I feel as I do? Well, thank you for asking! Doom: like I said - we were so hopeful going into 2016. The idea that we could win the popular vote and lose on the electoral vote - well, I don't pretend to know what everyone thought, but that sure hadn't been anything but the most theoretical discussion that I had come across. I remember the horror of the next day. I do not want to relive that. I'm afraid there's at least an even chance that we will. I base that on the numbers in the tightest states; and my concern that the fear of electing a 1.) Black 2.) woman will overcome more people than are willing to admit it. As for the glimmers of hope: the images of exhausted Trump rambling near-incoherently at half-empty rallies is encouraging. The polls are looking better (I know, I know - polls. I am not immune.). And the growing buoyancy - well, it's hard to completely resist. Kamala's energy is infectious - as with Obama, it's hard not to believe while you're listening to her. And I'm surrounded by an increasing number of hopeful people. My thoughts, and my reasons. Yours?
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permalink #5 of 578: Axon (axon) Sun 3 Nov 24 22:42
permalink #5 of 578: Axon (axon) Sun 3 Nov 24 22:42
Axon here. Long time reader, first time Inkwell team member. >hopeful people I am among them. I'm a hope fiend, and Simon Rosenberg is my dealer. I am confident that the polls are, to be charitable, unreliable, and that every other fundamental metric of momentum presages a Harris victory. But I also know that as polls close across the nation, and results are reported in fits and starts, that the lead will appear to shift back and forth a few times over the course of the night, or well into the next day, even. I know it's going to be fraught. I hope (there's that word again) folks will exercise patience as the roller coaster makes its weary way to a dispositive outcome. I expect there will be surprises, but mostly encouraging ones. While all eyes will be fixed on the POTUS race, there will also be important Congressional and Senatorial races that will have significant impact on the 119th Congress going forward, and the effectiveness of the next president, whoever she might be. It will be interesting to see how those races are affected by the coattails of the presidential candidates, and the impact those contests will have on overall turnout. Finally, reproductive freedom is explicitly on the ballot in 11 states, and will surely exert influence on both sentiment and participation, especially in those states, but nationwide as well. I expect it will prove decisive.
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permalink #6 of 578: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Mon 4 Nov 24 07:06
permalink #6 of 578: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Mon 4 Nov 24 07:06
For those who intend to stay up and track the results coming in tomorrow there is a very good printable PDF worksheet that you can play along at home and fill in - it uses tables and graphic to track many many of the elections and issues such as federal elections of course but also many other things such as governors, referendums (groups by issue such as abortion, education, governance, etc.) Print out a copy (15 pages) and use it tomorrow night: https://boltsmag.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Whats-on-the-Ballot-elections- tracker-20241101.pdf
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permalink #7 of 578: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Mon 4 Nov 24 07:40
permalink #7 of 578: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Mon 4 Nov 24 07:40
Thanks for that link, matisse. I follow Bolts for all the downballot races. The election of Tr*mp in 2016 sent me into a shock state. When I got up the next day it was as if the world looked different, uglier, even more dangerous than I already knew it to be. It took a few years and a lot of music to get myself back in a calmer state, and even now I feel aftershocks at times. I am hopeful that with this election we can take a big step forward into a better world. Not a perfect world, I don't really believe in that. But a good strong step into a future that holds the promise of the pluralistic world I've spent my life working for. So many people here on the Well are working their asses off to make this happen. Now we shall see.
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permalink #8 of 578: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:04
permalink #8 of 578: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:04
Yes, that's a great link, <matisse>; thanks. Even if you're not planned to be obsessed TUESDAY forward, it's worth looking at for the highlights of the significant state races/initiative and local efforts at recalls, etc. I am nervous. The 2020 election was *really* close. What, you say, Biden won the popular vote by **7 million votes**, and the electoral college by 306 to Trump's 232. But drill into that electoral college, the voting in the key states that were close. Less than 75,000 votes in a handful of key states - yeah, I would say that was close. ----------------------------------- Arizona - Biden wins by 11,000 votes Georgia - 12,000 Nevada - 30,000 Wisconsin - 20,000 That's 52 electoral votes right there. That's the sort of thing that worries me. That margin would have given Trump his second term.
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permalink #9 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:23
permalink #9 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:23
Thank you for joining the Inkwell team, <axon>. We are thrilled to have you! On PBS Newshour last week, Eugene Robinson said something that has stuck with me, along the lines of: Finally we're going to hear from the voters about what they want this country to be. We won't be wondering, anymore. Not "we're doomed," or "there's hope." Simply: The wait will be over. Where I'm gleaning hope: The new record for early voting turnout. It's no longer clear that this is a total boon for the Democrats, but still seems more than less likely to break in Harris' favor. The teensy shift in the polls late last week towards Harris, which could be a lagging indicator. A similar edge that seems to have emerged in several key House races. How Harris/Walz has been, talking and acting like it's 2024. As much as Democrats could take off the gloves and confront Republican bad faith bullshit, and still be Democrats they seem to have gotten pretty close. Doom: I have no gut instinct on how a Trump supporter regards Trump's public-facing deterioration. So, lately I've been reading and listening to The Bulwark (which for those not familiar, is an anti-National Review/Federalist conservative press stronghold of never-Trump conservatives like Bill Kristol, George Conway and Michael Steele). They don't seem to be kidding themselves about Trump's potential to win the election. Also, if Harris wins, no matter how convincingly she wins, Trump and his acolytes will try to overturn it.
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permalink #10 of 578: power meower (autumn) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:27
permalink #10 of 578: power meower (autumn) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:27
I learned a new word this morning on Facebook that describes how I feel: "Shpilkes," meaning nervous energy, anxiousness, restlessness. Pins and needles. On Election Night 2016, I sat in front of my sister's iMac, reading aloud the New York Times needle's forecast as it dropped from 90% Hillary Clinton to the unthinkable. My sister has since passed away, but I'll be thinking of her tomorrow night.
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permalink #11 of 578: Tiffany Lee Brown (magdalen) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:36
permalink #11 of 578: Tiffany Lee Brown (magdalen) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:36
<scribbled by magdalen Sat 9 Nov 24 15:25>
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permalink #12 of 578: Transforming energy since 1949. (jonl) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:49
permalink #12 of 578: Transforming energy since 1949. (jonl) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:49
Uncertainty here, for sure. My mind is throwing sparks of assumption which are momentarily bright, then fade - as do moments of fear and hope. I can only wait and see. I'm avoiding thinking or telling fearful or hopeful stories. I do know that Trump and his allies are scheming, but I also know that other forces are seeing and anticipating their schemes. I also see that Trump is wearing down from the constant effort to sustain his grift and project his faux rage. What will be left of him, on the other side of the election? How will his movement evolve, if its leader can no longer hold it together? Whatever happens, we have serious work ahead of us. We can start that work now. I refuse to HATE. I refuse to reject my neighbors who fly the Trump flag. I refuse to complain about polarization, then contribute to it. Somehow we who are committed to an American future will have to work together again, which means setting aside our fear of each other and finding where we can agree and what we can accept. There are some who will be ready to go to war internally, however the election turns out. But a civil war will be a thoughtless mindless destructive explosion of violence that accomplishes nothing, and we can be better than that.
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permalink #13 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:51
permalink #13 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:51
This is SO shpilkes. Yiddish for the win. Similarly, in 2016 Patrick and I were out at a local neo-Austrian restaurant watching the coverage. It was a neighborhood institution that we loved, and that hosted Election Night for years. As always, we were running the numbers as we watched the returns, checking online coverage at the same time as watching the big TV screen, and marking each state on a map as the totals became conclusive. Patrick was a much faster math brain than I am. Not too late into the evening, he said, "She's lost. Let's go home." Patrick is gone. The restaurant is gone (not tragically - owner moved to Europe a couple years ago). Trump is still here. The universe just goes on, no matter what. All that played a big part (for my part) in producing Inkwell pop-up, actually.
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permalink #14 of 578: David Gans (tnf) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:56
permalink #14 of 578: David Gans (tnf) Mon 4 Nov 24 08:56
I firmly blieve that the motherfuckers who are propping Trump up right now are doing so with an eye toward finishing him off as soon as he elected so they can install that creep "Vance."
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permalink #15 of 578: Transforming energy since 1949. (jonl) Mon 4 Nov 24 09:17
permalink #15 of 578: Transforming energy since 1949. (jonl) Mon 4 Nov 24 09:17
I have a similar belief, but even if they install Vance, he won't be pulling the strings. I don't know who that would be - maybe some combination of folks.
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permalink #16 of 578: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Mon 4 Nov 24 09:31
permalink #16 of 578: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Mon 4 Nov 24 09:31
(do we have a short URL for this topic yet, so I can share it around?)
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permalink #17 of 578: a (coiro) Mon 4 Nov 24 09:41
permalink #17 of 578: a (coiro) Mon 4 Nov 24 09:41
Oh, thanks for that, jnfr! Awaiting the official response here ... I can't remember the last time I heard "shpilkes". Decades, maybe. Perfect word. Meanwhile - spare a thought, a prayer, good thoughts, beams, whatever, for the poor polling site workers. I knew of course that there was some coordination for election deniers, but until I read this from Wired I had no idea just how well-networked and thorough it is in its message. <https://www.wired.com/story/election-deniers-weekend-activity-fraud-claims/>. >>For the past four years, even though evidence conclusively shows that the 2020 election was not stolen. election officials have been the ones who have been harassed and threatened. Thousands have quit and election offices have been forced to take extreme measures to protect their workers. And leaders in the election denial movement are continuing to promote ideas that are going to make the situation much worse. This weekend, conservative activist James OKeefe said that he was sending out more than 1,000 cameras to election officials who have signed up to covertly film the voting process.<< It links to an example of how frustrating it can get, leading to election workers quitting rather than deal with the ghouls: <https://calmatters.org/politics/2024/11/shasta-county-election-workers/>.
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permalink #18 of 578: a (coiro) Mon 4 Nov 24 09:47
permalink #18 of 578: a (coiro) Mon 4 Nov 24 09:47
Jon says - >>I also see that Trump is wearing down from the constant effort to sustain his grift and project his faux rage. What will be left of him, on the other side of the election? How will his movement evolve, if its leader can no longer hold it together?<< ... I've wondered a lot over the years who the real leaders in the refurbed GOP are. Periodically I've seen Trump as a puppet gone rogue, and I'm not convinced it didn't all start just that way. If that's the case - is the puppet now ruling the theater? Or are there still puppet-masters using him until he's even more a worn and babbling stump, ready to move more coherent and efficient people into place? Surely they haven't every one of them capitulated to a madman? Or, as David posits, is Vance the plant they needed and now have ready? So hard not to be a conspiracy nut these days.
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permalink #19 of 578: Elizabeth Churchill (leroyleroy) Mon 4 Nov 24 09:57
permalink #19 of 578: Elizabeth Churchill (leroyleroy) Mon 4 Nov 24 09:57
> pulling the strings. I don't know who that would be Musk, Thiel, Murdoch, Putin
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permalink #20 of 578: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Mon 4 Nov 24 10:04
permalink #20 of 578: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Mon 4 Nov 24 10:04
Putin is key to all of them, I think.
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permalink #21 of 578: a (coiro) Mon 4 Nov 24 10:07
permalink #21 of 578: a (coiro) Mon 4 Nov 24 10:07
And of course those are obvious candidates. Never post before coffee. I meant within the GOP. There I find it harder to pick out anyone on a par with those outsiders in terms of power and money to use him without fear.
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permalink #22 of 578: a (coiro) Mon 4 Nov 24 10:10
permalink #22 of 578: a (coiro) Mon 4 Nov 24 10:10
FTR the "never post before coffee" was aimed at myself, to say I could have been clearer. Now, the aforementioned coffee ...
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permalink #23 of 578: Administrivia (jonl) Mon 4 Nov 24 10:11
permalink #23 of 578: Administrivia (jonl) Mon 4 Nov 24 10:11
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permalink #24 of 578: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Mon 4 Nov 24 10:35
permalink #24 of 578: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Mon 4 Nov 24 10:35
>I meant within the GOP I believe this is part of what is keeping Trump balanced at the top of the heap - the vacuum within the GOP of viable leadership or charisma. It started with 2016 with the crabs-in-a-bucket mentality that left only Trump left standing at the end as the one person no one took seriously and so expended no effort in clawing him down.
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permalink #25 of 578: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Mon 4 Nov 24 10:49
permalink #25 of 578: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Mon 4 Nov 24 10:49
Another aspect of this is control of spending by the Republican National Committee, of which Lara Trump is co-chair.
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