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permalink #26 of 32: Ben Shapiro (bshapiro) Wed 8 Oct 25 23:54
permalink #26 of 32: Ben Shapiro (bshapiro) Wed 8 Oct 25 23:54
Hello, I'm glad to be joining in now... I am an independent producerâ and editor of audio documentary airing on public radio, most oftenâ with Radio Diaries. (I also make films some for PBS, and back in theâ last century worked at stations.) It makes sense if, within the whole system, there is aâ reconsideration, a "ok, what now?" mission and operations moment.â Its a time to reassert key values and hunt new approaches. That isâ positive and exciting, OTOH like others I'm concerned about lossesâ especially at stations especially serving communities where thereâ are fewest resources. What I am hearing about fundraising these days--and this is more forâ production projects tho I expect for broader pubrad support too--isâ that not surprisingly, non-gov funders foundations etc, areâ interested in supporting the system, but that for the time beingâ haven't settled on particular plans or strategies, so what form thisâ support takes is still fuzzy. And yes, staff time already in limitedâ supply especially at smaller stations will have to go towardsâ development.
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permalink #27 of 32: John Coate (tex) Thu 9 Oct 25 08:50
permalink #27 of 32: John Coate (tex) Thu 9 Oct 25 08:50
When I took the GM job at KZYX in 2008, I did not do enough dueâ diligence on the state of the station's finances. I thought it wasâ around $40K in debt. On my first day or work I went to the GM deskâ for the first time and there was a 4 inch pile of envelopes in aâ stack and a sticky note on top from my predecessor that said, "don'tâ send these until you get some money." Yikes. I opened the envelopsâ and they were all checks to pay bills. And real basic stuff tooâ like the electric bill. So I went into the books and discoveredâ that in fact we were $200K in debt. I almost walked out and said, "I'm sorry but I have made a mistakeâ and cannot do this." But I said I would do it so I proceeded. First I went to the local bank that handles our line of credit,â which was maxed at $50K. I had a seven person payroll and nothingâ to pay them with. So I asked for a $10K bump so I could pay them. â My banker said, "if I do that I will just be giving you a biggerâ shovel to dig yourself into a deeper hole." I, realizing that I was about to get sent away, said, "you don'tâ know me but here is who I am and what I have done. All I can give isâ my word that I will not walk away from this until the station isâ once again solvent." He bought it and gave us the loan that allowed the staff to getâ paid. Then I went through the entire operation and divided expenses into: Necessary fixed cost Necessary variable cost Valuable but no necessary. Necessary is what it takes to keep the signal up and in good shape. â And it was notoriously unreliable in the bad weather months (until iâ got a grant for a generator). Fixed are costs like the rent andâ variable is the power bill. Unnecessary but valuable is the programming and news we pay for,â even when those expenses are fixed. Then I immediately went on the air and told everyone what was reallyâ going on, that we needed an emergency pledge drive right away and Iâ would have to lay people off and cut some valued programming. This of course was extremely controversial and I think a lot ofâ people still don't forgive me for laying off our popular and wayâ left wing junior news person and keeping the senior, but moreâ politically neutral, News Director. Then I got some of the programming entities like PRI to work with usâ by giving us huge discounts until we got back on our feet. And we still owed NPR $100K. How I dealt with that is a good storyâ for later in this conversation. Anyway, it took 5 years for us to get out of debt, but we did. Itâ was a combination of local bootstrapping and cooperative help fromâ national providers. (APM however gave us no consideration at all soâ we dropped them). So the point of this overly long tale is how I divided up theâ expenses to deal with the situation and the hard choices that I hadâ to make. Part of being a boss requires a willingness to bring bad news toâ people who don't want to hear it.
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permalink #28 of 32: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 9 Oct 25 09:04
permalink #28 of 32: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 9 Oct 25 09:04
I didn't know what APM was, so looked it up: assume it's Americanâ Public Media? That story makes an interesting point: it makes a difference to haveâ managers with wisdom about how to proceed financially. You need someâ critical and creative thinking to make it work. The operations thatâ will survive the loss revenue will be operations that can do thatâ sort of thinking, and can focus on the sustaining the fundamentals.
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permalink #29 of 32: John Coate (tex) Thu 9 Oct 25 09:08
permalink #29 of 32: John Coate (tex) Thu 9 Oct 25 09:08
Right. American Public Media. Thus we had to lose Prairie Homeâ Companion and Car Talk. I am supremely grateful that I got the chance to start and manage SFâ Gate. That is where I learned how to do it. Before that I had neverâ managed another person or an entire budget. Ever.
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permalink #30 of 32: John Coate (tex) Thu 9 Oct 25 09:15
permalink #30 of 32: John Coate (tex) Thu 9 Oct 25 09:15
I just got email from KQED asking me to donate to a "Donor Advisedâ Fund." So they are getting creative over there. When I started in 2008, the main on-air fundraiser for KQED, Gregâ Sherwood (son of legendary SF DJ Don Sherwood) was on the Board ofâ the Marin Country Day School whe3n my wife <calliope> worked thereâ for 7 yrs. She gave me Greg's number and I called him. One big piece of advice he gave me was to not get lost in the worldâ of ever-more-enticing thank-you gifts. He said that KQED went downâ that tunnel years ago and cannot get out of it. He advised that weâ keep the gifts small and always emphasized the real reason someoneâ should donate.
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permalink #31 of 32: David Gans (tnf) Thu 9 Oct 25 09:29
permalink #31 of 32: David Gans (tnf) Thu 9 Oct 25 09:29
We went through that on KPFA, too. Too much focus on premiums, andâ we tried to get away from that.
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permalink #32 of 32: John Coate (tex) Fri 10 Oct 25 10:09
permalink #32 of 32: John Coate (tex) Fri 10 Oct 25 10:09
A question for Ben Shapiro.. > non-gov funders foundations etc, are interested in supporting theâ system, but that for the time being haven't settled on particularâ plans or strategies, so what form this support takes is still fuzzy. How has this impacted your own funding for your projects?
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