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permalink #26 of 62: Ari Davidow (ari) Wed 10 Dec 25 12:01
permalink #26 of 62: Ari Davidow (ari) Wed 10 Dec 25 12:01
Indeed! Thanks for the response, Charlie. I especially enjoyed theâ
way that the group figured out things like food and architecture -â
the compromise to allow water power, for instance, to power theâ
sawmill - the grist of communal living when it succeeds (findingâ
compromises that people are willing to live with). On what did youâ
base the California community? Were you just following the story asâ
it spoke to you, or did you have historical examples from which youâ
extrapolated?
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permalink #27 of 62: Charlie Haas (chaas) Wed 10 Dec 25 19:51
permalink #27 of 62: Charlie Haas (chaas) Wed 10 Dec 25 19:51
Ari, the books I read for background on California socialâ
experiments included "New World Utopias" by Paul Kagan, which isâ
something to behold. It details (with a lot of photos as well asâ
text) all kinds of intentional communities, many of them in thatâ
country east of L.A. They were based on ideas ranging fromâ
relatively conventional religious beliefs to loopier theories ofâ
race, faith healing, Christian anarchy, secret meanings of theâ
Bible, and so on. This is what inspired my chapter where our guysâ
buy their mules at that wan commune with the flaking domes on theâ
buildings. In all, it wouldn't have been unreasonable of theâ
Sunlanders to expect that they could find a tolerant setting in thatâ
desert.
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permalink #28 of 62: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Thu 11 Dec 25 01:51
permalink #28 of 62: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Thu 11 Dec 25 01:51
<18>: That photo of the long-ago hippie reminds me of a glimpse ofâ
Randsburg that I got on a field trip long ago. I could see thatâ
there was something ancient in the odd buildings there.
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permalink #29 of 62: Charlie Haas (chaas) Thu 11 Dec 25 10:19
permalink #29 of 62: Charlie Haas (chaas) Thu 11 Dec 25 10:19
V. Sea Monkey, thanks for Randsburg. I haven't been there, but theâ
photos online definitely have the aura... they remind me a little ofâ
Bisbee, Arizona, which I visited years ago -- the copper mine movedâ
out and some very unhurried hippies moved in.
When writing "The Current Fantasy," I tried to retrace myâ
characters' first steps in California. I made my way by transit fromâ
Oakland to San Pedro, saw the waterfront and took a ride on theâ
vintage "Red Car" trolleys that run there as a tourist attraction.
Then more transit to San Bernardino, and I walked with full packâ
from there to Redlands to get a sense of the walk the Sunlandersâ
take to their property. Hot, arid, beautiful on the way, and thenâ
Redlands is an oasis built by citrus money -- the old library andâ
train station are terrific. I also went to see Tahquitz Canyonâ
outside Palm Springs, where Bill Pester and subsequent hippies spentâ
time -- I based Benji's walk to find Rolf and Manfred on that.
Because those landscapes have changed so much, I found the photoâ
books from Arcadia Publishing very helpful. These are the littleâ
sepia-toned books you see for sale in local history museums andâ
libraries, usually called something like "Historic [Name of Townâ
Here]." That main street of old Fullerton, with the pool hall andâ
"Chili - Noodles" restaurant, was the way I described it in theâ
book. Their old L.A. and New York books were a big help too.
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permalink #30 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Thu 11 Dec 25 10:47
permalink #30 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Thu 11 Dec 25 10:47
WOw that's a lot of walking!
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permalink #31 of 62: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 11 Dec 25 11:08
permalink #31 of 62: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 11 Dec 25 11:08
It must have been fun to walk and be immersed in your characters.
So, Charlie: what's next? Another novel? More long walks?
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permalink #32 of 62: Tom Howard (tom) Thu 11 Dec 25 15:09
permalink #32 of 62: Tom Howard (tom) Thu 11 Dec 25 15:09
Charlie, thanks! I do understand the individual artists and writersâ
who wander all over the place, swirl about, sometimes congregate inâ
schools/movements, but it's certainly intriguing the idea ofâ
community moving and creating something new (-ish) altogether --â
your band of characters and the German Christians off to Haifa.â
Goodness. And, thanks again for your explanations.
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permalink #33 of 62: Charlie Haas (chaas) Thu 11 Dec 25 17:37
permalink #33 of 62: Charlie Haas (chaas) Thu 11 Dec 25 17:37
Ren, thanks for asking about what next. I scratch my head about thisâ
all the time. I've got an idea for a novel, but I don't know if it'sâ
practical for me to attempt finishing it in the coherent years Iâ
have left. Novels for me are a slow process and a lot of wear andâ
tear. (I think this is partly because I came to them late, after aâ
long time in journalism and movies.)
I might be better off writing shorter things now. I wrote a pieceâ
for The Threepenny Review recently and it was nice to do somethingâ
that manageable. As I'm fond of saying, the novel is to the nervousâ
breakdown what the controlled burn is to the forest fire, and theâ
controlled burn isn't an exact science.
But I've been awfully lucky in getting to do these things.
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permalink #34 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Thu 11 Dec 25 17:58
permalink #34 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Thu 11 Dec 25 17:58
> But I've been awfully lucky in getting to do these things.
I feel the same way! Weirdly, I have published three coffee-table books in a
row.
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permalink #35 of 62: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 11 Dec 25 22:31
permalink #35 of 62: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 11 Dec 25 22:31
None of us know how many coherent years we have left. I hope lifeâ
continues to surprise us
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permalink #36 of 62: Inkwell Co-host, Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 12 Dec 25 07:30
permalink #36 of 62: Inkwell Co-host, Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 12 Dec 25 07:30
> after a long time in journalism and movies.
Are you considering writing any more film scripts? Or did you leaveâ
that far behind?
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permalink #37 of 62: Charlie Haas (chaas) Fri 12 Dec 25 13:10
permalink #37 of 62: Charlie Haas (chaas) Fri 12 Dec 25 13:10
Jon, thanks for asking about movies. I paused work on "The Currentâ
Fantasy" a couple of times to work on film projects, in both casesâ
with directors I'd made things with in the past. It was wonderful toâ
work with them again, but neither project was realized and I wasâ
reminded of how lucky I'd been to have pictures made when I did.â
With a few exceptions, people in their seventies aren't busy in theâ
movie business.
It's always been hard to get movies made but it's especially hardâ
now, with the nasty consolidation of studios and the crash of theâ
streaming gold rush.
On the DIY side, of course, movies can be made more cheaply thanâ
ever, shooting on a camera from Best Buy or an iPhone, editing on aâ
laptop, and submitting the film to festivals with the possibility ofâ
a distribution deal. But I gather that getting things into thoseâ
festivals is murder too.
For all their sins, the studios continue to support people like Seanâ
Baker, Ryan Coogler, Paul Thomas Anderson, Kathryn Bigelow, Richardâ
Linklater, and a lot of talented genre people. These days I'mâ
spending more of my time in the audience, and that's not bad.
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permalink #38 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Fri 12 Dec 25 15:03
permalink #38 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Fri 12 Dec 25 15:03
I think I remember a conversation with you many years ago in which you noted
that you were making some good money from films that weren't being made :^)
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permalink #39 of 62: Charlie Haas (chaas) Fri 12 Dec 25 18:27
permalink #39 of 62: Charlie Haas (chaas) Fri 12 Dec 25 18:27
David, yes, and I think that's pretty standard for screenwritersâ
working steadily. (It wasn't <great> money but it was better thanâ
magazine-writing money, which I couldn't have lived on although Iâ
loved the work.)
My way of thinking about this is to imagine my efforts in all mediaâ
being put in one blender, and the payments in another blender, thenâ
turning on the blenders and seeing everything pureed and averagedâ
out.
To get back to books in this regard, I think the publishing businessâ
doesn't sustain literary writing -- the universities do. A greatâ
percentage of writers teach writing for a living, and that's howâ
they make it. Their MFA students will publish and teach after them,â
and so on.
This enables the publishers to pay small advances and stay inâ
business, because they're not responsible for the writers' survival.â
And the teaching process is (for a lot of writers) intrinsicallyâ
rewarding and also good for their own work, because they're thinkingâ
about writing all the time. It's a win all around, I think.
So then of course I worry about what's happening to the universitiesâ
under this administration, but that's a larger and more dismayingâ
story.
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permalink #40 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Fri 12 Dec 25 23:38
permalink #40 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Fri 12 Dec 25 23:38
> My way of thinking about this is to imagine my efforts in all mediaâ
> being put in one blender, and the payments in another blender, thenâ
> turning on the blenders and seeing everything pureed and averagedâ out.
That's how I feel about my many-facated career, too. It all seems to work out
in the long run. As long as the mortgage gets paid, I'm happy.
I would guess screenwriting is pretty different from novel writing in any
mumber of ways. Only one editor on a =novel, and how many writers and
´producers are you collarating with?
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permalink #41 of 62: Charlie Haas (chaas) Sat 13 Dec 25 09:32
permalink #41 of 62: Charlie Haas (chaas) Sat 13 Dec 25 09:32
Being on my own through the writing process was definitely a shift.â
An even bigger change was in what the writing required. On aâ
screenplay, you're not writing interior monologue to express whatâ
the characters are feeling -- the actors do that for you, with theirâ
faces. You're also writing barely any description, maybe a few linesâ
about what the room or the landscape looks like.
Well. You get into writing a novel and those things are crucial,â
especially those unspoken thoughts. Of course there are exceptions,â
the writers who do almost everything with dialogue. But in general,â
we want to read how the characters respond to what's going on. Iâ
read the novelists I love most and now and then I look up and think,â
"This has been x pages of just the character thinking and it'sâ
completely gripping."
So I've tried to teach myself about that. What I noticed on "Theâ
Current Fantasy" is that, draft by draft, the reactions came closerâ
to delineating the characters as I understood them. There was aâ
truth there, but I had to keep circling it and getting closer in.
In my experience, this process leads you to know stuff consciouslyâ
that you've sort of known but never had to think about enough toâ
convey it. Inevitably you come out of this changed.
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permalink #42 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Sat 13 Dec 25 10:53
permalink #42 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Sat 13 Dec 25 10:53
How many drafts were there?
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permalink #43 of 62: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Sat 13 Dec 25 10:59
permalink #43 of 62: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Sat 13 Dec 25 10:59
Nice reflection, Charlie. When I was writing my book, I enjoyedâ
editing but hated rewriting. Could be a flaw in a writer
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permalink #44 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Sat 13 Dec 25 11:29
permalink #44 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Sat 13 Dec 25 11:29
I enjoy rewriting! Take another pass through your brilliant work and see if
you can tighten it up a bit? Definitely worth the effort.
When Blair Jackson and I turned in a manuscript that was significantly bigger
than we agreed to, the editor (who was also the president of the company)
said, "Cut 30,000 words and we'll print the rest." We spent a couple of days
in my living room, hunched over my laptop, making very careful edits as
opposed to cutting large chunks at once. I enjoyed the process!
Ren, I'm not sure I understand the difference between editing and rewriting.
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permalink #45 of 62: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sat 13 Dec 25 11:33
permalink #45 of 62: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sat 13 Dec 25 11:33
(If you edit something, the writer doesnât even notice youâveâ
touched it, but assumes they were always this concise and accurate.â
If you rewrite somethingâ¦)
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permalink #46 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Sat 13 Dec 25 11:49
permalink #46 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Sat 13 Dec 25 11:49
That makes sense!
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permalink #47 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Sat 13 Dec 25 11:50
permalink #47 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Sat 13 Dec 25 11:50
I have always tried to be the editor whose touch was light and constructive;
during my magazine writing career I ran into a few editors who were quite
heavy-handed.
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permalink #48 of 62: Inkwell Co-host, Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 13 Dec 25 12:28
permalink #48 of 62: Inkwell Co-host, Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 13 Dec 25 12:28
When I was writing features for a local weekly, I realized quicklyâ
that the first editor I worked with wasn't even reading what I'dâ
written, just handing it over to be set. So I made an extra pass orâ
two and hoped I wasn't missing something.
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permalink #49 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Sat 13 Dec 25 12:36
permalink #49 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Sat 13 Dec 25 12:36
<scribbled by tnf Sat 13 Dec 25 12:36>
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permalink #50 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Sat 13 Dec 25 12:37
permalink #50 of 62: David Gans (tnf) Sat 13 Dec 25 12:37
THat's taking "light touch" a little too far!
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