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permalink #701 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 3 Oct 00 23:29
permalink #701 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 3 Oct 00 23:29
Sara -- I'll let Martha tell you about Genie. I wonder what did happen to the stuff in my topic...? four or five years of answering all sorts of questions, musings, online diaries and whatnot, all off and lost in the electronic ether, I should imagine. I'll remind Lorraine to talk to you. But send her a nudge -- I know she got your e-mail. She's been doing a mammoth Autumn-Cleaning before the cold sets in which has been taking up a lot of her time... it's scary to be typing from my office, and have it be so clean and tidy...
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permalink #702 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 3 Oct 00 23:48
permalink #702 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 3 Oct 00 23:48
Um, what about Genie? Assistant sysop Marty Grabien was grabbing and archiving all the Genie topics before the service was put to death. Whether they're online anywhere, though, I don't know for sure.
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permalink #703 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Wed 4 Oct 00 04:59
permalink #703 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Wed 4 Oct 00 04:59
Neil-- I had a similarly early start w/ Sondheim...Sweeney Todd was on TV when I was 11 and I was hooked; knew Company, Night Music and Follies by heart within a year. That, plus multiple viewings of Annie Hall and Manhattan, ensured that I had a rather jaundiced view of relationships until I actually had one. My wife, a Rodgers and Hammerstein fan from way back, is amazed that we're compatible in the least. If you'll be in NYC on either October 16, 23 or 30, Michael John LaChiusa will be doing three evenings of his work at Joe's Pub at the Public Theatre... If it's possible, you should try to catch his show.
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permalink #704 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Wed 4 Oct 00 06:19
permalink #704 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Wed 4 Oct 00 06:19
Shira-- Do you know the singer/songwriter Leonard Cohen? He did a song called "Who by Fire" that's based on part of the Kol Nidre service. It's on his album, "New Skin for the Old Ceremony." Maybe your rabbi will let you do that one... (tell your rabbi that Cohen is orthodox... how can he say no?)
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permalink #705 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Wed 4 Oct 00 09:28
permalink #705 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Wed 4 Oct 00 09:28
(Who by fire is also on his Best Of album, if that's easier to find.)
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permalink #706 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Wed 4 Oct 00 12:08
permalink #706 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Wed 4 Oct 00 12:08
oh yeah...
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permalink #707 of 1905: Laurel Krahn (lakrahn) Wed 4 Oct 00 12:12
permalink #707 of 1905: Laurel Krahn (lakrahn) Wed 4 Oct 00 12:12
GEnie was an online service a la Compuserve, AOL, Prodigy et al. Originally not connected to the internet, subscribers dialed in, later it had some internet connectivity, then later still you could access GEnie discussions via the web. There was a very active portion of GEnie (The Science Fiction Roundtable - SFRT) where lots of authors each had their own discussion topic, much like this one. Writers who were on GEnie talked about their work, their interests, whatever they wanted to talk about in their discussion area and those who knew them or liked their work or the topics of conversation there would read and participate in the discussions. Just like this, more or less. (And I even see some of the same people here: Martha, scraps, Lenny, others). GEnie now is no more, after a prolonged illness and death, I guess you could say.
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permalink #708 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 4 Oct 00 12:17
permalink #708 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 4 Oct 00 12:17
I was there as it actually died. The very hour they were killing it. Maybe six or ten of us online, posting as fast as we could, starting new topics and watching them being shut down.
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permalink #709 of 1905: gone (scraps) Wed 4 Oct 00 12:23
permalink #709 of 1905: gone (scraps) Wed 4 Oct 00 12:23
I've always been surprised to not see more of the SFRT migrate over here, because the Well is by far the closest to the same vibe I've found on the net. Damon Knight would fit in perfectly here.
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permalink #710 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 4 Oct 00 13:00
permalink #710 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 4 Oct 00 13:00
They more or less split up between sff.net and dm.net, two Web-based fora. I've never been happy with any of the Web-based, threaded BB software, though--I think the Well-like structure helped GEnie grow into what it was-- so I'm happy there's the Well.
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permalink #711 of 1905: Elise Matthesen (lioness) Wed 4 Oct 00 13:24
permalink #711 of 1905: Elise Matthesen (lioness) Wed 4 Oct 00 13:24
If the SFRT archives are accessible, that would be really cool.... I was on GEnie for all of two weeks, I think; was too busy to keep up. Made an imaginary leather armchair for Emma Bull; I remember that part, and I remember wanting to read *everything* there. Which seemed like an awful lot. Neil, any updates on the various Hollywood things in progress? (I can't remember which are really-o truly-o in the works, and which ones are things I just keep wishing and hoping for. I'm sure a bunch of other folks are wishing and hoping too.) There was a fellow that Juan and Mike and I met once at your house who was from some part of the magical land of movies, if fuzzy memory serves; he was rhapsodizing about how it was actually possible for him to get a good night's sleep in the Midwest. I was just thinking about him the other day. His paean to slumber amidst the mysterious lands near the Twin Cities was endearing in an almost goofy way; I felt almost like we should all take him some hot dish and invite him to stick around. How well do you sleep in L.A.? Is there, like, cosmic reciprocity extended? (I also had the thought that perhaps we ought to mail him a small vial of our local earth, to put under his bed as a talisman or something, but it mighta made him nervous.)
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permalink #712 of 1905: Laurel Krahn (lakrahn) Wed 4 Oct 00 15:39
permalink #712 of 1905: Laurel Krahn (lakrahn) Wed 4 Oct 00 15:39
I still miss GEnie and I wasn't even there all that long in the big scheme of things (a year ot two?). I've tried out the new haunts, but they aren't the same. And I much prefer the format here using picospan on the Well to reading topics in a newsreader or on the web. But then I got my start on small local BBSes running similar software, well before GEnie went online. And now that I'm on the Well, I don't miss GEnie or those old BBSes quite so much.
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permalink #713 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 4 Oct 00 18:26
permalink #713 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 4 Oct 00 18:26
Chris oarr says: Hi Jeff. Hi all. Neil forwarded me your questions about the pre-reading receptions for his Last Angel Tour. These are pretty laid-back affairs, and as Neil pointed out they're more about mingling and milling than sitting and chatting. In fact, I've been floored by the response to these events, which already exceed our initial (highly optimistic) expectations. Apart from those individuals who cleaned out the Premium tickets in record time, we have people signing up as CBLDF members at an astonishing pace. I expect we'll see over 100 people at the New York reception, for instance. Neil will just about have a chance to say hello and exchange a few words with just about everyone. There will also be a very short address to this very special crowd. Then we're all heading one block over to St. Mark's Church-In-the-Bowery for the reading. The great thing about this sort of event---and we've done a few of these at this point---is that apart from meeting Neil you also meet so many wonderful people. You shouldn't be surprised to bump into your favorite comics artist or maybe another writer whose work you admire. But apart from that it's just nice to be at a function where everyone shares so many common interests. And I can assure you that there is no friendlier group of First Amendment zealots than Comic Book Legal Defense Fund members. It's a very casual thing. A lot of folk will be coming straight from work, so I expect we'll see a fair number of coats and ties, but I wouldn't be surprised to see sneakers and jeans here and there too. It's all fine. For my own part, I'll be wearing a sportscoat and slacks. Is that what they call "business casual" these days? I do hope to meet you at the reception Jeff, and I hope to meet many of the rest of you either in NYC or at our Last Angel readings in Chicago, Portland, and L.A. Chris Oarr, Executive Director, Comic Book Legal Defense Fund
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permalink #714 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Wed 4 Oct 00 19:07
permalink #714 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Wed 4 Oct 00 19:07
Neil-- I don't know if you remember this, but-- We spoke briefly at the Dream Hunters signing you did at Virgin Records in NYC, and I asked you if John Bellair's novel, The Face in the Frost, was an influence on Stardust. You said you hadn't heard of it and you jotted the name down. I saw a copy of it at a used book store this w'end, and, knowing that I was going to the reading, I picked it up on the chance that you hadn't gotten a copy. Should I bring it along for you?
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permalink #715 of 1905: cranky (gorey) Wed 4 Oct 00 19:24
permalink #715 of 1905: cranky (gorey) Wed 4 Oct 00 19:24
Oh, John Bellairs is great, _The House with the Clock in its Walls_ particularly. I loved the illustrations in it years before I knew who Edward Gorey was.
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permalink #716 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 4 Oct 00 20:21
permalink #716 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 4 Oct 00 20:21
Speaking of Gorey, Scott Conner e-mails: I was mucking about on the Bud Plant Comic Art site (http://www.budplant.com) and found this item. Since both Neil and myself are Edward Gorey afficionados, I though it might be of interest to all.... THE STRANGE CASE OF EDWARD GOREY by Alexander Theroux ; Fantagraphics (2000) , softcover, 6X9, 68 pages, b/w. Also, I saw Charles Vess this past Saturday and passed along everyone's good wishes. He and Karen are both doing fine; she was at the beach so I didn't actually get to speak with her. Charles also has a new piece titled "The Corn King" that is an absolutely *stunning* piece of work. And a question for Neil. With the release of the illustrated version of Stardust (the hardcover is exceptionally nice!) and Sandman: The Dream Hunters, do you think this could be the impetus for more illustrated novels in general? *I* certainly hope so. The Bernie Wrightson-illustrated version of Shelley's "Frankenstein" is a masterpiece. A trend towards well crafted projects such as these would be a very welcome thing. Comments? Suggestions?
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permalink #717 of 1905: cranky (gorey) Wed 4 Oct 00 23:46
permalink #717 of 1905: cranky (gorey) Wed 4 Oct 00 23:46
Thank you for pointing us to that book - I'll certainly be picking it up.
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permalink #718 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Thu 5 Oct 00 04:55
permalink #718 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Thu 5 Oct 00 04:55
There's a wonderful illustrated version of Moby Dick..can't rember who did it, but it's full of woodcuts, and a specially designed typeface.
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permalink #719 of 1905: gone (scraps) Thu 5 Oct 00 05:34
permalink #719 of 1905: gone (scraps) Thu 5 Oct 00 05:34
Barry Moser, maybe?
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permalink #720 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Thu 5 Oct 00 07:09
permalink #720 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Thu 5 Oct 00 07:09
That's the one. Nice, isn't it?
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permalink #721 of 1905: gone (scraps) Thu 5 Oct 00 07:48
permalink #721 of 1905: gone (scraps) Thu 5 Oct 00 07:48
I haven't seen it, it was just a guess.
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permalink #722 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 5 Oct 00 14:30
permalink #722 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 5 Oct 00 14:30
From Sara (who swears she's getting her own WELL account very soon now): Well, I wrote to someone at sfrt.com , and apparently the Genie Topic archives had been preserved, but aren't available. Copyright thing: "In order to distribute the archives, we'd need written permission from each person whose posts are included AND IDT's permission to reproduce the formats." And I for some reason, I don't see that happening anytime soon. At least they haven't evaporated along with the service. And last time I'd heard Leonard Cohen was an ordained Zen Buddhist monk...
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permalink #723 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Thu 5 Oct 00 15:28
permalink #723 of 1905: Len Schiff (theboojum) Thu 5 Oct 00 15:28
he's both... he lights shabbes candles every friday night at the retreat. no kidding.
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permalink #724 of 1905: -N. (streak) Thu 5 Oct 00 15:40
permalink #724 of 1905: -N. (streak) Thu 5 Oct 00 15:40
Second the recommendation on The Face In The Frost. Quite different from Bellairs' other books, but superb. One of the best-realized magic systems I've ever read, in that it represents magic as something quite directly related to esoteric knowledge and outright trivia. The wizards in the book are the kind of people who will happily spend years learning obscure facts and spells that they know perfectly well they will probably never need, as well as collecting assorted junk and weird occult and historical factoids along the way. As medieval fantasies go, it's one of my all-time favorites.
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permalink #725 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Thu 5 Oct 00 15:54
permalink #725 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Thu 5 Oct 00 15:54
For absolutely no apparent reason, I was trying to remember the name of The Face In the Frost yesterday. Hallalujah, hurray, this topic comes to my rescue. I had been forced to refer to it as "that book <streak> loaned me." While I'm at it, I'll third the recommendation. I was quite impressed by that book.
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