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permalink #751 of 1905: Amanda Slack-Smith (ancient-booer) Tue 10 Oct 00 19:39
permalink #751 of 1905: Amanda Slack-Smith (ancient-booer) Tue 10 Oct 00 19:39
I have been wondering for a while how you feel about people/interviewers that ask you what your sexual preference is or what religion you are. Does it bother you? I mean, my SO just wrote a play dealing with child abuse, but that doesn't mean he was abused as a child. I suppose I am wondering how relevant you feel those questions are? That and are there areas about your life you refuse to answer questions about?
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permalink #752 of 1905: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 11 Oct 00 05:56
permalink #752 of 1905: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 11 Oct 00 05:56
Email from Jouni: Hi Neil. Hi everybody. Saw the snapshot in Slush Factory. So you had a haircut then. Is it too late to suggest what you should do with the hair? I think you should donate it to science. That way every nation could clone it's own Neil to write cool stories, and more importantly, to translate your works. I mean I've read your stories in english and in finnish and... I dunno... there's just something missing in (some of) the translations. Generally they are OK, but that's all... they are just OK. Jouni (who has read some quite lame translations, but also few good ones) PS. How's the pumpkin (pumpkins?) PPS. What's the latest with American Gods & Death-script? PPPS. Does anybody know where I could get Warning: Contains Language -CD?
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permalink #753 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 11 Oct 00 11:38
permalink #753 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 11 Oct 00 11:38
Jouni -- a quick answer to the last question: you can get WARNING:CONTAINS LANGUAGE -- two CDs of stories by me, with music by Dave McKean and a song by the Flash Girls -- from DreamHaven. www.dreamhavenbooks.com -- they have a few left, but only a few. I think when we reissue it it'll be as a set of single CDs... and I need to record a few more...
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permalink #754 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 11 Oct 00 12:06
permalink #754 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 11 Oct 00 12:06
And you can listen to an interview with me at the Hour 25 Radio show at http://www.hour25.org/
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permalink #755 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Oct 00 16:21
permalink #755 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Oct 00 16:21
Mary Roane begins in this e-mail: Hi, y'all! Len--Sorry it's taken me so long to get back--I haven't seen the show, but I've got an e-mail out to a buddy of mine at the Goodman to see what the buzz is. I'll let you know when I hear from him. It's sad, but I don't actually see much theatre here-it's expensive & I work about 60 hours a week, so it's hard to schedule anything. Saw 8 shows in 6 days in NYC last May, though. When I go on vacation I'm dangerous! Shira--I've sort of been trying to stay out of this whole discussion, because religion is an intensely personal thing. But I am having a hard time keeping my trap shut, because I'm a church musician and I've questioned a lot of stuff, too, so I hope this is of some help. I was christened Catholic, and then we moved close to the other side of the family, who were Baptists. Catholics are pretty scarce on the ground in Mississippi-O.K., where I was they were rarer than hen's teeth, so I went to church with the Baptist side of the family, when I went. This was from the time I was about 8 years old until I was 18 & went off to college. I got asked *a lot* what I was, what I believed, etc. (Now I realize that, to you, the differences are miniscule, but trust me, to the Baptists, they are NOT). And after a lot of thinking & worrying & being put on the spot, I decided.......... not to decide right away. I just figured that I wasn't ever gonna *know* anyway, and that with the amount of life experience that I had in a small town in Mississippi, I couldn't make an informed decision. So I learned as much about different religions as I could & tried to apply the bigger pictures to my life experience-not the question of "Is alcohol evil?", but "How do I feel about a God who condemns people for having fun?" You know? It turns out that one of the things that is precious to me is a sense of connection to my ancestors-Irish peasants who were persecuted for their beliefs. And so I'm Catholic. And no, I don't believe everything that Mother Church teaches. But buried under a lot of odd stuff is a worldview (probably stolen from the Celts ) that I can live with. And I love & respect my Protestant friends & family-I prefer to focus on our similarities rather than our differences. But I had to come to this on my own. I received some good advice, but in the end true belief is something that you come to by yourself. Because it's yours in a way few things in life can be. And you know who I envy? You. Because you belong to an ancient, beautiful tradition that connects you to a group of people with bonds of language, social custom, music, food, religious practice....the list goes on & on. And I think that is immensely cool. I will never have bonds like that to connect me to my fellow humans. Nobody said it was an all or nothing proposition--I think Neil is right on the money. It's pretty hard to decide not to be Jewish, precisely because, like no other religion or nationality, it has so many facets. And that is something to be celebrated. We Catholics, too have a long tradition of rejecting our religion. And Neil is right again-it just moves you from one box to another one. They call us "lapsed" or "practicing"(because we haven't ever gotten it right) instead of "observant" or "cultural". But we're still identified as Catholic.... And you ARE NOT a terrible person. You seem to me to be a very bright person who is questioning what you've been taught. Welcome to being a grown-up. And in my church choir, we have just about everything represented. Some people view it as another gig, some have converted to Catholicism. And most of them have a gig somewhere for High Holy Days! (And my friend Jeff, an ex-cellist, wants to know if it's the Max Bruch Kol Nidre that you played?) Neil--I prefer to think that the reason for those websites that you are listed on is so that a good friend of mine can play his favorite game. He's Jewish & he calls the game "Spot the Jew". He gets the biggest kick out of identifying "fellow tribesmen". It makes him proud......he & his folks will call each other long distance with a particularly surprising discovery. And he was tickled pink when he discovered that you were of the tribe. This whole discussion has left me thinking about Richard in "One Life, Furnished in Early Moorcock". I had the strongest reaction to his wondering why he had to decide, why he couldn't just go on believing everything. Exactly! I've often wondered , like Amanda, how you feel about discussing this stuff. And I, too, wondered if you were Catholic at first-the guilt must have looked so familiar! :-) Writing this, I'm also frustrated that talking about religion is so hard. It seems like there is an underlying assumption in our culture that if you ask a question, it's so you can feel superior at the answer, rather than just wanting an answer. Too many hard-liners out there........and I think they've dominated the conversation for too long. Sorry this is turning into "War & Peace" (or is that "American Gods" ? :-p) See what happens when you folk get me thinking?
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permalink #756 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Oct 00 16:21
permalink #756 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Oct 00 16:21
And continues in this one: Why do I always forget my hair comment until I've sent off the wretched e-mail? I loved it long. But it's cool, now, too. And yes, I regret to inform you, Mr.. Gaiman, you are the only human being alive who can get red-eye while wearing sunglasses in a photo. Congratulations.
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permalink #757 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 11 Oct 00 19:33
permalink #757 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 11 Oct 00 19:33
Jouni -- the hair's in a bag currently. I have a plan for what to do with it, in about 6 months. We'll see if it comes off. Translation has so much to do with the translator -- I've always felt very lucky that my French translator, Patrick Marcel, is so good: when I won the Julia Verlanger Award for NEVERWHERE in France I figured it was Patrick that did it. Then again, there are a few translations where it's pretty obvious, even to me, that somewhere in the translation everything interesting has been removed from the text. The pumpkin season is done. I'm writing Death right now. American Gods -- I'll do the second draft in November. Mary -- I'd really not mind about the JEW WATCH type web sites, if they were less keen on a) proving no Jews were ever gassed and b) gassing any they can get their hands on. I'm glad you liked the hair. And here's a quote from chapter 17 of AMERICAN GODS: "None of this can actually be happening: if it makes you more comfortable, you might think of it as metaphor. Religions are, by definition, metaphors, after all: God is a dream, a hope, a woman, an ironist, a father, a city, a house of many rooms, a watchmaker who left his prize chronometer in the desert, someone who loves you even, against all evidence, a celestial being whose only interest is to make sure your football team, army, business, or marriage thrives, prospers and triumphs over all opposition. "Religions are places to stand and look and act, places from which to view the world. So, none of this is happening. Such things would not occur in this day and age. Never a word of it is literally true, although it all happened, and the next thing that happened, happened like this:"
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permalink #758 of 1905: Amanda Slack-Smith (ancient-booer) Wed 11 Oct 00 19:40
permalink #758 of 1905: Amanda Slack-Smith (ancient-booer) Wed 11 Oct 00 19:40
Wow.
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permalink #759 of 1905: Len, who posts too much (theboojum) Wed 11 Oct 00 20:12
permalink #759 of 1905: Len, who posts too much (theboojum) Wed 11 Oct 00 20:12
Re Amanda Slack-Smith: Ditto. Re-- Jew stuff-- I didn't want to write too much about this subject, since Shira's choice is so personal, and, being a practicing Jew (in a way), I'm not extacly partisan. But the I thought that maybe that's why I should post. Still conflicted, but posting anyway. Shira-- everything that Neil said is true-- esp. the part about how "moving from one box to the other" is a Jewish tradition. Look at some of the people who did it--Marx, Freud, Emma Goldman, Albert Einstein... maybe you too.. an impressive crew. The way I see it, any religion/culture that can crank out that crew has to have something good going on. Even considering that they turned their backs on practice, they still inherited a tradition of intellectual inquiry and social commitment and compassion. And imagination... and spirituality-- and humor. If, as I just read, "Religions are places to stand and look and act, places from which to view the world," then Judaism provides a fascinating and varied view. There's exciting and stimulating stuff going on in Judaism all the time-- and especially now. Pick up a Klezmatics cd (my fave is "Possessed.") Read Angels in America by Tony Kushner, or "Ellis Island" by Mark Helprin. Or Lilith magazine. Like I said before, everything that Neil said is true-- but I think it's incomplete. Judaism isn't only something to hold onto because it's in danger. It's also something to move towards, to explore because it's so rich in provocative ideas. And it's yours... it had a hand in shaping you. Don't be so quick to turn away from it before you really plumb its depths. You have the intelligence-- and the independence of thought-- to make it your own.
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permalink #760 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Oct 00 23:27
permalink #760 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Oct 00 23:27
Jen e-mails: Well, this weekend in chicago is looking to be more and more interesting... _All_ other plans besides the reading have fallen through. I will see no friends, will be too broke to do anything and will probably get horribly lost at least twice while in the city. On the plus side, I've never actually been _in_ Chicago before, so I can look at new bookstores which of course makes up for everything. Anyone here got any recommendations in the vicinity of the theatre? Our hotel isn't too far from there so it's going to be my reference point. Interesting talk about religions. I no longer consider myself even Christian, but I will always see myself as a Small Town Catholic. I grew up in one of those little parishes where they still celebrate holy days most other catholics have never even heard of. I don't think I'll ever broach this subject with my own parents however. They were miffed enough that I became the godmother to an _Episcopalian_. :-) Not sure why I jumped in on this, probably mainly to avoid homework. Neil - interesting Shatner impression in the interview. :-) Jen.
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permalink #761 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 12 Oct 00 00:14
permalink #761 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 12 Oct 00 00:14
Hasn't the hair already come off? Oh. You mean.
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permalink #762 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 12 Oct 00 02:31
permalink #762 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 12 Oct 00 02:31
Jen -- that's not my Shatner impression. That's my William Hurt reading Hearts in Atlantis impression. But cranking it up to a 10 for effect over the telephone it turns pretty damn Shatnerian. My Shatner impression is pretty good, because it's the story of When We Were Guests In Argentina Together. Martha -- yes, I mean Not auctioning the hair on e-bay, which was something Chris Oarr was all ready to do. But I diverted him by offering the folder with the shooting scripts & chapter 1 in handwriting of Neverwhere in it to auction, as a sacrificial thingie, and he's gone off to do it. Meanwhile, I have hair. Len -- I didn't say that Judaism was something to hold onto because it was in danger. Just that when the scary-serious anti-jewish people start putting your name up on their websites it brings it home that, whether you like it or not, whether or not one considers oneself jewish has as little to do with anything than it would have done for my families in poland or germany a little over fifty years ago. (I remember when I was a few years younger than Shira doing my family tree as a school project, and discovering how many branches of it truncated in Auschwitz or Belsen or Dachau.)
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permalink #763 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 12 Oct 00 02:38
permalink #763 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 12 Oct 00 02:38
On various lighter notes: Working on the Death: The High Cost of Living script today. Also, against all odds rescued ANOTHER bat from a sheet of window fly-paper. At least I've now got it down to a science. Take off fly-paper; go outside with box filled with newspaper and bottle of citrus solvent; squirt solvent onto fly paper, let grumpy lemon-scented bat fall into box, place box on garage woodpile. And we are having a plague of ladybirds. Um, ladybugs. The south side of the house was literally covered with them today, and several hundred have somehow made it inside, and are covering the ceilings and whirring past even as I type this.
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permalink #764 of 1905: Len (theboojum) Thu 12 Oct 00 05:07
permalink #764 of 1905: Len (theboojum) Thu 12 Oct 00 05:07
Neil-- didn't mean to misrepresent you. I can certainly see that having one's name on a list like that would be scary and upsetting. My family knowledge pretty much starts with Brooklyn and the Lower East Side... that family tree you did must have been horrible.
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permalink #765 of 1905: Len (theboojum) Thu 12 Oct 00 05:12
permalink #765 of 1905: Len (theboojum) Thu 12 Oct 00 05:12
(btw-- had a big plate of lemon scented bat for dinner last night. Delicious.)
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permalink #766 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 12 Oct 00 14:17
permalink #766 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 12 Oct 00 14:17
Mary e-mails the next chapter of her epic novel: Um, wow. If y'all had any idea how.....scared? nervous? weirded out?.....I was about posting that *novel* I wrote.....well, anyway, let me just say thank you to everyone. How refreshing to have an honest and respectful discussion about religion! Neil--you are still the only writer I have ever read who can leave me literally breathless with the sheer beauty of his prose. I cannot imagine what that school project must have been like. If it increases your faith in mankind a little--my dad was in the Air Force in WWII. When I was about 8 or 9, he sat me down to watch a TV program. Now, he was super protective about what I was allowed to watch-no horror movies, no sexual situations --not even M*A*S*H, because of the innuendos. But he made me, at that age, watch a show on PBS (I think it might have been an episode of The World at War) that used a great deal of actual footage of the camps. Graphic footage. And he told me that that was the reason he had enlisted, even though he didn't know it at the time. That stopping that, and preventing it from ever happening again was the most important thing he would ever do. And he was right. Amanda--ain't it hard to shake? Len--what wine goes with lemon-scented bat? :-)
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permalink #767 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 12 Oct 00 16:07
permalink #767 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 12 Oct 00 16:07
Randi Mason e-mails (although it's not exactly clear if he intends for the whole thing to be posted or if the first paragraph is for inkwell-hosts only): Ack. The only problem with not knowing who this goes to is that anything I write will sound "to whom it may concern"-ish. If there is a more specific way that you'd like these notes addressed, please let me know? Thanks. Anyway, I do have a few questions for Neil. Where, if anywhere, that you visited while doing research for _American Gods_ did you wish you had more time in. Where in America is home for you, or feels like home for you? You've mentioned in the interviews that you wanted to do a musical, or an opera. Does it have any shape in your head yet, or is it also a 'lazy' thing you're working on. What would elements of what's out there theatrewise would you want in it - and what do you want it never to be confused with in a million years? And are there any other interviews that are going to be done in the process of the Guardian Angel tour beyond the one for WGN that your audience should know about? Thanks, randi Various PSes to other notes in this discussion: AFAIK, there are no archives connected to the SFRT, at least on the DM side of things. "Myths and Legends" (I think it was called "Saturn Returns" too) by Adam Guettel is *lovely*. And at some point I will be able to play "Hero and Leander" from it without feeling the urge to put it on repeat. "Shockheaded Peter" is supposed to be coming around to the States again; I think it's in London now. It was very neat, even if the children in the audience seemed to understand it better than their parents. The company that performed "Shockheaded Peter" is now at the Jane Street (home of the dear, departed "Hedwig") doing "Lifegame", an improvisational play where they act out scenes from the life of a random audience member. The night that Time Out New York did a piece about it, they were performing scenes from the life of Alisa Kwitney. IIRC, Roundabout is trying to do a Broadway production of Assassins, as well as the revival of Follies, this season. I pass by the Wintergarden theatre on my way to work now, so for the last month or so I have been watching them rip out all the ings that were "Cats". I'm failing to feel anything by relief. Don't know why.
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permalink #768 of 1905: Len (theboojum) Thu 12 Oct 00 17:48
permalink #768 of 1905: Len (theboojum) Thu 12 Oct 00 17:48
Randi- Shockheaded Peter was a trip-- thought about Neil's work the whole time- esp. the Last Temptation. Got the cd-- not quite as magical, but fun in an abrasive kind of way. Mary- that's an easy one: isn't there a wine from Roumania called "Vampire?" (and if not, probably a nice Gewurtztraminer.) 150 pages into the Amber Spyglass... been waiting for years. Still not sure if worth the wait.
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permalink #769 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Thu 12 Oct 00 18:29
permalink #769 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Thu 12 Oct 00 18:29
I saw Shockheaded Peter when it came through San Francisco and thought it was wild. Considered mentioning it earlier as something it seemed to me Neil might enjoy.
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permalink #770 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 12 Oct 00 21:50
permalink #770 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 12 Oct 00 21:50
Mary -- a good story, in all senses. And yes. Randi (Randi is a lady, Linda, or she was the last time I signed a book for her) I would have liked more time in most of the places I visited. Where feels like home? Apart from my house... and the two houses I stayed in in Florida last winter... well, some of the odder places perhaps: I've always wanted to live in The House on the Rock. Musical/opera is still lazy... it's waiting for that one element of "oh, of course!" which would move it from the realm of the nice to do, to the realm of typing. The "oh of course!" is the best thing, when it happens it makes everything easy. Someone asked me if I'd like to write and direct a short film when I was in NY for the Anime thing, and last night it occured to me what it was. So today I wrote a short film -- something that it would be an easy delight to make. The hardest part will be finding a week to film it in... Musical wise I'd like to do something that feels like a Dave McKean drawing. I'm doing two or three interviews a day right now, Randi. Am not keeping track of them, to be honest. The phone rings, Lorraine says "It's Bill from Radio WXYZ in Wherever". I got closest to seeing the Struwelpeter show in Finland. Unfortunately, it was there the week after me. I wonder which Follies they'll do. The 'upbeat' UK version, or the darker US version. (Diana Rigg couldn't sing, when I saw Follies. I like to think she had a cold that night, but she probably didn't.) Len, I should point out that, apart from smelling of lemons, and being disgruntled, the bat was saved. Which makes two rescued bats in several months. I think I now have officially good bat karma.
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permalink #771 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 12 Oct 00 21:56
permalink #771 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 12 Oct 00 21:56
By the way, they've moved the Los Angeles reading from the pacific Design Centre, which was both full and was probably not going to get some permits in time to the Writer's Guild Theatre. And, just a reminder. I'm doing a reading in Chicago and New York next week, Portland and LA the following week. Tickets available on Ticketmaster, all profits to the CBLDF. If any of you are going to be in the area -- or if you have friends in those locations, spread the word. The readings are honestly NOT boring. Promise.
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permalink #772 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 12 Oct 00 21:57
permalink #772 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 12 Oct 00 21:57
No, they're not. I keep meaning to look up what airfare is to Portland. (I don't want to go to LA for even a Neil reading.)
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permalink #773 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 12 Oct 00 23:09
permalink #773 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 12 Oct 00 23:09
Oops! My apologies, Randi.
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permalink #774 of 1905: Elise Matthesen (lioness) Fri 13 Oct 00 01:27
permalink #774 of 1905: Elise Matthesen (lioness) Fri 13 Oct 00 01:27
Neil - Thanks for the American Gods quote; it really is beautiful. Can't wait for the book.... The discussion of religion here is pretty cool, too. Oh, and someone told me that Princess Mononoke was the subject of a discussion group at First Universalist Church the other night; they began by examining individualism versus community-mindedness, but I 'm not sure where they went after that with it. The image of grumpy lemon-scented bats will forever fill me with delight, I think. And yes, it definitely sounds like you have earned good bat karma by now. Mr. Ford says hi. (He's under the weather, alas.) And I was singing the chorus to his song for Guy Fawkes Day (which song is, of course, your fault and we are all very grateful for it too), and now a visiting Canadian has it stuck in her head, she tell me. (I only sang the chorus, though; the whole song is only sung for Ritual Purposes.)
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permalink #775 of 1905: Elise Matthesen (lioness) Fri 13 Oct 00 01:31
permalink #775 of 1905: Elise Matthesen (lioness) Fri 13 Oct 00 01:31
Oh, and apropos of Shatner impressions, there is a topic here that contains the wonderful text: Topic 78 [inkwell.vue]: Hyphenation 9 #195 of 197: Ari Fertig (re-fertig) Thu Aug 31 '00 (22:41) 1 line hemian rhapsody was one of the best so- Topic 78 [inkwell.vue]: Hyphenation 9 #196 of 197: mojo-harshing specialist (mpk) Fri Sep 1 '00 (06:54) 1 line nnets written by William Sha- Topic 78 [inkwell.vue]: Hyphenation 9 #197 of 197: David Gans (tnf) Fri Sep 1 '00 (09:37) 1 line tner. I haven't been able to bring myself to part with that, so I've been seeing it (as "new") every time I'm done reading the latest in this topic. And now this synchronicity.... Do tell about Shatner, sometime, please?
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