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permalink #801 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 2 Aug 01 21:40
permalink #801 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 2 Aug 01 21:40
If HOW MUCH FOR JUST THE PLANET is in print, you can probably get any bookstore to order it for you by iving them the ISBN. That way Mike gets his royalty. Will, Claudia was very impressed by the pumpkins, or she said she was, and I believe her. But she was more impressed by the quantity of heirloom beetroots...
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permalink #802 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Thu 2 Aug 01 23:01
permalink #802 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Thu 2 Aug 01 23:01
Pocket reprinted both books last summer as a fake subseries, WORLDS APART (comments suppressed). PLANET had, I think, been o.p. for a while -- they don't tell you, and there's a pretense that All the Books are Available All the Time. (What they actually do is let some time go by, and if orders still come in, reprint half a dozen or so in a batch.) But to the best of my knowledge they're both still available -- new reviews pop up occasionally on amazain'tgoddit.com, for whatever that may be worth. Though I was delighted by a review there of REFLECTION, by a rabbi who was diligently reading the entire series (Life . . . is like a cup of Earl Grey, hot, served in a Horta egg) looking for Jewish characters. He liked the book, and he found the character. (Col. Jael Rabinowitch, if anyone else is counting.)
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permalink #803 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 3 Aug 01 09:22
permalink #803 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 3 Aug 01 09:22
Hi folks... just a note to the Bay Area contingent. If you were planning on seeing my show this weekend, you've just had some of your time liberated. due to a death in the family of one of the cast, the show has been cancelled this weekend. We will be performing next weekend (our closing), however. We now return to the conversations already in progress.
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permalink #804 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Fri 3 Aug 01 09:46
permalink #804 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Fri 3 Aug 01 09:46
Back from Yosemite. I am come down the mountain, complete with personal epiphany. (I hate being a cliché, but there it is.) I also have a lot of responses, so Im going to break them up into chunks, for manageability. Apologies. Feel free to skip em if its too much or to tell me to shut up, if you're inclined. (Not that I will, of course, but it might make you feel better.) KellyOn Yosemite: Im so jealous! Were just starting to put together our backpacking gear, so we havent been able to go backcountry yet, but its a dream. We were in the Valley, which is convenient, but I swear Ill never do again. Anywhere you have to use ear plugs to sleep is not authentic camping. I had a fun little thing happen when we drove up to Tenaya lake on Thursday. There was a Danish family there, so I got to speak a little Norwegian to them (the languages are really similar), which made me silly-happy, and it seemed so appropriate at that stunning alpine lake. Kelly/Squeaks/Dan: Ive been itching to get out to Burning Man for a couple of years, but was intimidated. Is there room there for anyone whos married, doesnt do drugs and is over 25? I wasnt entirely reassured about that after reading Piss Clear. JaNell: Your first earthquake on the toilet? Welcome to the club! During the aftershocks in 1994, we were shacking up with a couple of wonderful friends (cause our building fell down) and it seemed that every time our friend Scott would go into the bathroom, wed have an aftershock. It became hysterical after a while. Hed announce, Well, Im going in, and wed all go wait in the doorways. Was it the New Madrid fault? Do you know the stories about the last one there? Scary. Adriana: Welcome back! I wanted to tell you that I love Roze. MarthaRe (774): You have the distinction of earning my very first, absolutely unequivocal, judges-give-it-a-10, out loud/online SNORT! (A dubious honor, Im sure. Nevertheless.) Aside: Its raining in L.A. In August. Man, we are fucking up this planet.
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permalink #805 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:01
permalink #805 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:01
Pamela- my first earthquake, ever. I'm curious enough to go find out the fault line's name, but I can tell you it's the one that forms the Smoky Mountains...
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permalink #806 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:12
permalink #806 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:12
(John) Mike: <full, screeching halt> Blink. Um. <deep breath> Hiya. Nice to, er, see you here. So. I gotta tell you that I went to a Robert Jordan signing a couple of years ago, shortly before _The Last Hot Time_ came out. During the course of our conversation, he looked me right in the eye and said: If you never read another author in your life, read John M. Ford. Hes the best writer in America. (I suspect hed just read the proof. Didnt he say something similar for the book?) He can be rather fierce when he chooses to; it made an impression. However, Im the sort of girl who prefers to make up her mind about, well, a lot of things, actually, so I probably didnt take him seriously enough. At any rate, I ran headlong into you in _Starlight 1_ with no brakes on. _Erase/Record/Play_ is one of the most compassionate, most devastating works of art Ive ever encountered. I was marked by it. Thank you. I do have a question, though. Did you intend to make a direct rebuttal to Mr. Lewis? INTERVIEWER Surely you dont hold that a faith in justice is a form of insanity. DR. GORDON Not the faith in its value. But the belief that its the natural order of things, Id call that a delusional structure, yes. -_Erase/Record/Play_ I wooed thee with my sword, And won thy love, doing thee injuries. --William Shakespeare Indeed.
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permalink #807 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:20
permalink #807 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:20
JaNell: Oops. You slipped. Well, I'd need to check some kind of earthquake topo or something to be sure about its location. But my understanding is that the New Madrid fault is the biggest fault in the U.S., actually, much bigger than the San Andreas. I think it starts in southern Illinois and runs all the way through Kentucky into Tennessee. The last time it went in a Big One, late 1900's, it rerouted the Mississipi by a mile, and Audobon watched the ground wave in 8-foot swells. Yikes.
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permalink #808 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:26
permalink #808 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:26
Pamela - I really don't know, you probably know better than I do... but I am going to find out, as I feel terribly ignorent about it.
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permalink #809 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:51
permalink #809 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:51
PNH: Wanda? I wanda... what he means by that? (One scents a story. Do tell. Is it the sushi?) I have a rule about never writing letters to editors. They check your grammar. But Ill take advantage of this opportunity, since its only a post. Its about how _Starlight 1_ was like my first semester in college. We stayed up all night, drank beer or coffee, ate Kraft macaroni and cheese made in a hotpot and talked about anything, just for the hell of it and because we were 18 and could pull it off, night after night. Mornings were rough, though, so I dont remember a single 8:00 class I ever had. Except freshman Fine Arts Appreciation. I grew up in an Illinois farm town. Id never seen anything like it. I sat up, wide-eyed at 8:00 a.m. for monthsfrom Gregorian chant and the Sistine chapel right through to Jimi Hendrixs Star Spangled Banner and psychedelic posters. The doors opened. _Starlight 1_ was all of that. Finding out that a sense of wonder was its own cool, again. Thanks.
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permalink #810 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:54
permalink #810 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:54
Pamela -- Yes, Black Rock City has plenty of room for married people over 25 who aren't interested in drugs. There are a lot of drugs and a lot of sexuality there, but the experience is whatever you choose to make of it. And there is plenty of other fodder for fun at BM.
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permalink #811 of 2008: Rebecca Atchison (nefertiti) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:58
permalink #811 of 2008: Rebecca Atchison (nefertiti) Fri 3 Aug 01 10:58
All...the way...through...Kentucky, you say? 8-foot swells, you say? eeep.
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permalink #812 of 2008: Rebecca Atchison (nefertiti) Fri 3 Aug 01 11:00
permalink #812 of 2008: Rebecca Atchison (nefertiti) Fri 3 Aug 01 11:00
oh, I mean, what I meant to say was: Hi, Pam! Glad to see you back, and with an epiphany and everything!
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permalink #813 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Fri 3 Aug 01 11:14
permalink #813 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Fri 3 Aug 01 11:14
Pamela - Tenaya Lake really was beautiful. It was nice to wade around in the water at the end of the backpacking trip. :-) As for Burning Man... I certainly hope it has room for an over25, monogamously married couple... cuz that's what I'm part of. :-) I think the people who do drugs at Burning Man are, if nothing else, either very stupid or very brave - losing your mind in that kind of heat/weather can be rather deadly. I had a pretty difficult time surviving a day/night stuck in the Nevada desert, and still ended up badly wounded from that... perhaps more than people who just drop by once a year, I've had the lesson of surviving in the desert permanently etched onto me. (Literally. I'm still scarred.) From what I hear about BM, the biggest challenge is to keep couples together. (Experianced BM folks might be able to say whether this is actually true or not.) I read a stat on the official BM site that said only 35% of couples leave the playa as a couple... my Other and I have put our chances around 70% success. After looking over the announced events, we could certainly see WHY so many couples have problems; a lot goes on there that most people don't have to talk about with their partner in "normal life"... my Other and I place our 'survival rate' so high simply because, in the course of getting back together, we had to address the same issues that c/would arise at BM. Ooops. BM on the brain. Apologies. :-) Someone mentioned needing to read Jane Yolen... try Briar Rose, it's one of my favourites. :-) -Kelly
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permalink #814 of 2008: experience uncut Martha (madman) Fri 3 Aug 01 11:19
permalink #814 of 2008: experience uncut Martha (madman) Fri 3 Aug 01 11:19
<stagewalker> - my condolences. And apologies, as I'll be out of town next weekend, so I'll miss the show. Next time, though.
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permalink #815 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 3 Aug 01 12:01
permalink #815 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 3 Aug 01 12:01
Condolences to your castmate, stagewalker.
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permalink #816 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 3 Aug 01 14:08
permalink #816 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 3 Aug 01 14:08
Pamela - well, I'm 31... so that's a third of the critereon... and yes, there's LOTS to do regardless of your interest in substances and such. for all the hype, the whole "sex, drugs, and ravers" aspect of Burning Man is amplified out of proportion as far as I'm concerned. Hrm.. on the survival rate of couples... the only couple I know had a rather difficult breakup during burning man, but it was tied far more to the events that led up to the week than what actually happened once they got there. They reconciled a few months later.... There was a couple in my camp, and they didn't seem to have any issues at all during the week... but they're a rather unusual pair anyway. Last year, almost everyone who did tarot readings before BM had the Tower appear prominantly in their readings. It was a time of change (often destructive) for a lot of people that I know. There are so many aspects of the event that are designed to test you, not only physically but emotionally and mentally (and relationally) as well. Madman, Martha... thank you. I will pass on the condolences to her. I'm sure she'll appreciate it.
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permalink #817 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Fri 3 Aug 01 15:24
permalink #817 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Fri 3 Aug 01 15:24
It's been enlightening these last few months, learning the boundaries we assume in a relationship without ever specifically talking about them. ... I sometimes think that people who are involved with those from a different culture have an easier time; there is an acknowledged language/thought barrier to overcome. Those of us that speak the same native language tend to, I think, forget that a single word can have many definitions, and that collections of words into concepts can vary greatly from person to person. This is where, I think, the numerous breakdowns I've heard attributed to Burning Man come into play. People have assumptions of boundaries without having clearly talked the boundaries out; places like Burning Man test and stretch the boundaries, and people invariably step over some assumptions. Then again, I'm a big advocate for sex and sexuality education, including lessons in communication, clarify of concepts, boundaries and agreements to what those boundaries are. And moreso of lately... so perhaps it's simply like reading a Neil story and seeing more than is actually there. *grins* Okay, I'll let this tangent drop now, and go find somewhere else to harass for a bit. -Kelly
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permalink #818 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Fri 3 Aug 01 15:31
permalink #818 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Fri 3 Aug 01 15:31
> The last time it went in a Big One, late 1900's, it rerouted the > Mississipi by a mile, and Audobon watched the ground wave in 8-foot > swells. Yikes. That would actually have been the 1811 'quake. (John James Audubon was long gone by the late 1900s, though His Legend Lives On.)
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permalink #819 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Fri 3 Aug 01 15:36
permalink #819 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Fri 3 Aug 01 15:36
Pamela -- I'm glad you liked e/r/p, and I'm glad Patrick gave it a place to live. With no judgement on anybody meant by this, it's one of my things (HOT TIME being another) that's been rather better reviewed outside the genre than in. There's probably a discussion in that, but this isn't the time or place.
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permalink #820 of 2008: michaela (jonl) Fri 3 Aug 01 16:10
permalink #820 of 2008: michaela (jonl) Fri 3 Aug 01 16:10
Email from michaela: Hmmm .. so I should check out _How Much For Just The Planet_ even if I happen to hate Star Trek? It seems to be in print - (but I have to order all my English books from Amazon Germany anyway, no use checking out German bookstores). Kathy Li - you made me want to read _From the end of the 20th century_ - and then I discovered I could order a second hand copy for a small fortune plus shipping to Europe *sigh* I'll put it somewhere on my endless wish list of books-I-want-to-read-but-can't-afford-right-now. Sound of Music? No idea what you lot are talking about. Not sure I want to know though ;) Will - I'd love to hear the chocolate-cake-recipe-Nazi-rally .. sounds hilarious :) And thanks for the info on "yclept" - I still can't imagine a real sentence with that word though .. it sounds so .. dunno .. weird .. um Michaela (trying to get started on a paper on Code-Switching and finding lots of other things to do)
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permalink #821 of 2008: The Other Glen (jonl) Fri 3 Aug 01 16:11
permalink #821 of 2008: The Other Glen (jonl) Fri 3 Aug 01 16:11
Email from The Other Glen: Kelley - if you are looking for a "nice independant store" you might want to check out Jian Ghomeshi's "the anti-chain depot" http://www.jianghomeshi.com/jispots.htm Jian is part of Moxy Fr|vous, a wonderfully silly band that sometimes says serious things. - The Other Glen
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permalink #822 of 2008: Ninave (jonl) Fri 3 Aug 01 16:12
permalink #822 of 2008: Ninave (jonl) Fri 3 Aug 01 16:12
Email from Ninave: Hello! I want to congratulate all the people who had babies, went on vacation, had birthdays, and did other really cool things in these past months: I did,'t say so at the time, because I don't want to drive the sweet people who post my messages mad. But I do enjoy listening to your conversations, and now that I finally have something to say.... While we're all talking about our favorite John M. Ford books, I wanted to mention that The Dragon Waiting is really, really a splediferous read. It's a 1983 book (My terribly battered copy is, at least) and I want all of you to go read it. And compliment Mike on it, while he's here. :) And now I'm going to stop waxing fangirl, since the gentlemen is nice enough to visit. Sneaking back to lurk mode.... Ninave Who's still having a hard time calling people she respects by their first names. I guess I was trained well, as a child....
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permalink #823 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Fri 3 Aug 01 16:57
permalink #823 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Fri 3 Aug 01 16:57
>That would actually have been the 1811 'quake. Oops. Wrong twice. Thanks for the correct information, Mike. That was supposed to be "late 1800's," and was still incorrect. That'll teach me not to research. We're all overly steeped in earthquake lore out here; I got lazy. I just worry about the New Madrid because of all our family out there. Buildings and whatnot are (supposedly) built to earthquake specs in L.A. and we did pretty well in 1994, but I don't know if there *are* any earthquake building codes in southern Illinois/Kentucky. (Again, not researched.) It's a little scary, because, well, that might make them more likely to "all fall down." Dan: Warm thoughts for your castmember and the show team. DanGuy/Dan/Kelly: Thanks for your thoughts on BM. I appreciate both the encouragement and realistic cautions. The idea of conceptualizing the boundaries for myself/"us" if I/we were to go was helpful. (My husband is not greatly interested--it might be a group of friends, instead.) I mean, I've got nothing against rampant hedonism--lovely place to visit 'n all that. But I think I was a little concerned that there was no room for boundaries. As in, don't bother to join the party if you can't jump naked in the mudpit and exit with random partner. It seems, from the stuff I read, that there's been a movement away from the original, primary "art is free" premise to Woodstock-on-the-Playa. And I'm more interested in the "art is free" part, really. Well. And fun. So I don't know where that puts me, after all. Except that what I experience as fun isn't quite the same as it was 10 years ago. Hey, Rebecca! You know, those Yosemite people told us all to get *down* off the big rocks if a storm came in. They missed the point entirely.
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permalink #824 of 2008: Rebecca Atchison (nefertiti) Fri 3 Aug 01 17:16
permalink #824 of 2008: Rebecca Atchison (nefertiti) Fri 3 Aug 01 17:16
the fools!
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permalink #825 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Fri 3 Aug 01 18:30
permalink #825 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Fri 3 Aug 01 18:30
Michaela -- 20th CENTURY is still available from NESFA, though there'll still be the transatlantic postage issue. www.nesfa.org will provide the gen. Ninave -- thank you. DRAGON did have two paperback editions from Avon -- the first has an absolutely beautiful wraparound Sanjulian cover and a horribly corrupt text, while the second has a ghastly green cover, but was corrected. (It went through other editions as well -- Goldmann did a quite nice one in hc and trade paper. I read German, and while I didn't give it a minute reading, it seemed like an acceptable translation. [WEB OF ANGELS was done in French by J'ai Lu, and -that- translation can cause nerve damage, though I understand the problem facing the translator.] However, Jo Fletcher is going to reprint DRAGON next year as part of Gollancz's Pretty Good O.P. Fantasy Books series (they have a different name for the line, but it's embarrassing).
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