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permalink #1126 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 28 Aug 01 10:43
permalink #1126 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 28 Aug 01 10:43
Len: Omigod, Raul in Threepenny?!? When did that happen? Why wasn't I there? All for the best, I'm sure, as I might have died happy instead of living all these additional years in GenX angst, and then Where would I have been? (Opinions vary.) On lesser known moments of Raul musical bliss: he does this little scene in _Tequila Sunrise_ (ca. early 80's), where he's toking, watching a bullfight and singing some famous song I don't know the title of, which ends with him gesticulating elegantly with a lit joint, and crooning "Santaaaaaa Luciiiiiiaaaa!" It's a ridiculous, adorable scene and he's perfectly beautiful. What a loss.
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permalink #1127 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Tue 28 Aug 01 11:12
permalink #1127 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Tue 28 Aug 01 11:12
Tara-- sorry! I just found that name to be too good a pseud to ppass up.
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permalink #1128 of 2008: JaNellZeBubba (goldennokomis) Tue 28 Aug 01 11:37
permalink #1128 of 2008: JaNellZeBubba (goldennokomis) Tue 28 Aug 01 11:37
Len~ I'm doubting I'll make it through _Ancient Evenings_... I keep finding excuses to read other things... Like cereal boxes... *sigh*
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permalink #1129 of 2008: Kathy Li (jonl) Tue 28 Aug 01 11:57
permalink #1129 of 2008: Kathy Li (jonl) Tue 28 Aug 01 11:57
Email from Kathy Li: Pamela, there *was* a commercial cassette audio recording (long OP) of the Nichols/Close/Irons THE REAL THING. It's just swell and well worth questing for. Especially since Christine Baranski plays Charlotte (and you get to hear Peter Gallagher with a Scots accent as Brodie). The liner notes mention how the cast loved rediscovering lines over the microphones when they didn't have to worry about theatre acoustics, and could do lots of tiny little things with their voices. --Kathy (who was pleasantly surprised to see Sondheim's talking head pop up in the Shakespeare episode of CHANGING STAGES on PBS. I mean I *expected* to see Stoppard when they were talking about Wilde).
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permalink #1130 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 28 Aug 01 17:26
permalink #1130 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 28 Aug 01 17:26
Thanks for the tip, Kathy. When he's not pretending he's eating gravel for breakfast, I could listen to Jeremy Irons for days and days... -Pam Who's feeling really quite dumb for just having realized that all those trailers running around LA movie theaters for _From Hell_ are for THAT _From Hell_. I'd be lost without Thingies far sharper than me.
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permalink #1131 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 28 Aug 01 17:28
permalink #1131 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 28 Aug 01 17:28
P.S. I just had to say it. Once more, with feeling: "Scary trousers."
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permalink #1132 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 28 Aug 01 18:35
permalink #1132 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 28 Aug 01 18:35
*Please* explain the scary trousers bit.
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permalink #1133 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 28 Aug 01 18:45
permalink #1133 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 28 Aug 01 18:45
Neil, Re: your message board screwing up, this appeared from the ~Fixin' the Board Thread~ from Grandethal: "I think Mr. Punch has taken control of the board, and is slowly but surely destroying it for his own purposes..." Now, I assume someone will enlighten me...
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permalink #1134 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Wed 29 Aug 01 06:01
permalink #1134 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Wed 29 Aug 01 06:01
Enlighten you in regards to what, Mr. Punch? Or just grant you a general sort of enlightenment for the heck of it? ^_^ If you haven't already, you simply must read Neil's "The Tragical Comedy or Comical Tragedy of Mr. Punch: A Romance".
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permalink #1135 of 2008: JaNell, sans Zen, or maybe with a differant kind of Zen (goldennokomis) Wed 29 Aug 01 06:47
permalink #1135 of 2008: JaNell, sans Zen, or maybe with a differant kind of Zen (goldennokomis) Wed 29 Aug 01 06:47
Mr. Punch. And how the unproductive chaos of Neil's board would be caused by same. Enlightenment wends its way to me here and there, usually tripping me up by being underfoot at the time it appears... "D'oh! I just squished the d@mn enlightenment again! Eeeeeewww, now how am I gonna get that off my shoe?!" (wipes shoe off unsuccessfully) "Oh, great. Now it's on my hands." (attempts to wipe hands) "S#!+, those were *new* pants!" Later: "What is this stuff stuck in my hair?"
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permalink #1136 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Wed 29 Aug 01 08:07
permalink #1136 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Wed 29 Aug 01 08:07
That sounds like a bad Farrelly brothers movie. Or every Farrelly brothers movie. A general question to the writers, here; should something sent to agents be double-spaced? I knew that the manuscript itself should be, but I thought, in my eternal dumbassitude, that single-spaced was the way to send it to agents. Thoughts?
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permalink #1137 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Wed 29 Aug 01 10:21
permalink #1137 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Wed 29 Aug 01 10:21
JaNell: I'd be happy to explain "scary trousers" because it's so fabulous, but I could never do it justice. We must implore Himself to gift us with the story again. I guarantee you will Never Be the Same Again. I honestly think that if I never saw Neil again at a signing, con or utterly chance encounter, I could remain content with having been at Book Soup to hear him tell the Scary Trousers story. It was a quintessential fandom moment. I get liitle fangirl happy giggles every time I think about it. -Pam Who is really not kidding, and is eternally beholden to Walker for having asked the question.
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permalink #1138 of 2008: Rebecca and a Poultry Chorus Line (nefertiti) Wed 29 Aug 01 13:01
permalink #1138 of 2008: Rebecca and a Poultry Chorus Line (nefertiti) Wed 29 Aug 01 13:01
Pam, we're working on that rain dance number for you. JaNell, all purses of that size have achieved sentience. Didn't you notice it asking Neil to sign its copy of American Gods? --Rebecca, who's been herding cows today and is totally sacked.
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permalink #1139 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Wed 29 Aug 01 13:08
permalink #1139 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Wed 29 Aug 01 13:08
Pamela-- Raoul was in a production of Threepenny at Lincoln Center in the 70's; I think Richard Foreman directed it. It was the first American production that made it properly obscene and scary after Blitzstein's translation all but entirely defanged it. And ya know, I think Raoul made a damn good Gomez Adams. Kathy-- Sigh... I had a teacher who used to have that audiocassette of TRThing, but that was long ago and I should have jumped on the chance to make a recording. Now they've released a CD of Copenhagen, which I think I will have to get. Utter non sequitor: I saw the best damn rerun of Northern Exposure yesterday. It was the one where Chris goes to a friary to experiment with monastic life, while at the same time the town of Cicely is experiencing a wave of health and Joel has nothing to do, so he has an existential crisis. It's been so long since I saw an episode of NE-- I'm glad it's as wonderful as I remember it. (except for the last season.) Finally-- Open Question: Has anyone here been in a serious romantic relationship with someone who didn't like to read?
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permalink #1140 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Wed 29 Aug 01 13:32
permalink #1140 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Wed 29 Aug 01 13:32
I was. I was engaged to her, even. I somehow managed to convince her to read STARDUST, but the only reason she finished my novel was because I basically read it to her. Wasn't the reason we fell apart, but, well, it surely didn't help matters any. My sister just ended a relationship with a guy who doesn't at all read, but who went to the Borders signing anyway. He ended up asking Neil about pumpkins, and then getting a fish signed. It's hard, I found. I write, and so read pretty much voraciously. Some books I plod through, like DRACULA and LITTLE, BIG, some I blow through, like STARDUST, or HARRY POTTER, but I still read a lot. This month alone I'm up to ten or fifteen already, and that's not including magazines and the Internet. Point is, they're a big part of my life, and it seems I get along best with someone who shares that. I was dating a girl recently and invited her to a performance of MIDSUMMER NIGHT'S DREAM, and she responded "Help me out here. Is this a play?" Not the reason things didn't work out, but it was a sign of just how compatible we were.
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permalink #1141 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 29 Aug 01 14:55
permalink #1141 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 29 Aug 01 14:55
Will said, "That sounds like a bad Farrelly brothers movie. Or every Farrelly brothers movie." Hey, watch it, that's my life we're talking about here. :D Pam, me asking Neil anything is only inviting trouble in for coffee. And I'm already Not The Same because of him, and only hope to have returned the favor. Rebecca, I was *wondering* how that got signed...
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permalink #1142 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 29 Aug 01 16:13
permalink #1142 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 29 Aug 01 16:13
E-mail from Kathy Li: Len -- well, being out here in the boonies :-), I tend to keep an eye out for recordings of stuff 'cause that's all I'll ever get to see. If it weren't for PBS and Jac Venza, I don't think I'd love or know stage work at all. The only really great theater-going-coup I've managed to land out here in San Diego was seeing INTO THE WOODS when it workshopped. (And I still think the death of the Baker's Wife is just wrong, dammit. She's *supposed* to die from Snow White's poisoned apple! :-) My favorite Northern Exposure episode is probably "Cicely." ("...and that was the day Franz Kafka came to town...")
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permalink #1143 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Wed 29 Aug 01 17:29
permalink #1143 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Wed 29 Aug 01 17:29
Len -- I saw Raul Julia many years ago in a touring production of "The Passion of Dracula." It wasn't really a great play or production -- it had obviously been put togethter to compete with the Langella/Gorey DRACULA (which is not to say that Balderston & Deane is exactly a masterwork either), but Julia was dynamite. And yeah, he was a swell Gomez Addams. But those movies were, it seems to me, exceptionally fortunate in their casting, from Anjelica-and-thank-God-not-Cher to Christina Ricci. (I would have loved to direct Ricci as Ophelia, having her be smart and happy until the breakdown, and then go creepily, horribly, dead-soul quiet instead of galloping loony. But then, I studied stagecraft, not directing. But then but then, i studied systems analysis/numerical methods, not literature. I would hunt guidance counselors for sport, except (as John Steed might say) there would be no sport in it. I don't know that I've ever had -any- kind of really significant relationship with anyone who actively didn't like to read, except for family members, and we all know the difference there. I would like to think this isn't judgemental on my part, but I wouldn't trust that view.
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permalink #1144 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 29 Aug 01 17:44
permalink #1144 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 29 Aug 01 17:44
To me, saying that you "don't like to read" is almost as incomprehensible as saying that you "don't like to breathe".
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permalink #1145 of 2008: Bill^2 (billbill) Wed 29 Aug 01 19:33
permalink #1145 of 2008: Bill^2 (billbill) Wed 29 Aug 01 19:33
Len -- Yep. Had about the same experience as Will, except she wasn't even willing to go so far as reading Stardust. The phrase "life-sucking b!tch" comes pretty close to the truth. But, as they say, "I got better!"
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permalink #1146 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Wed 29 Aug 01 22:35
permalink #1146 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Wed 29 Aug 01 22:35
I'm married to someone who doesn't (or didn't, rather) like to read. It wasn't that that he didn't find the idea of literature interesting..he just prefferd I read him the story or tell him about. He *can* read, technically, I think it may be that he has a short attention span, or maybe it was because no one in his family reads...so he just wasn't exposed to it. Don't know. American Gods was the first book he read all by himself (since I've been with him, anyway.)I couldn't believe he finished it. Now he's into Sandman. He finished the first two books in three days. He's halfway through Neverwhere...and is reading it as I speak. I said to him the other day "I know Neil's the shit and all...but there are other good books and authors out there too. Try reading this one..." He got ten pages into it as far as I know. *sigh* Baby steps I guess. There's just *something* about Neil.... To all of you who are not Tori fans, I apologize in advance. I am about to be a dork. If I get annoying by my rambling on about her let me know (I do suppose she's kind of on topic though...since Neil has something to do with the new album) or just ignore me. That said, I'm so excited! I just read the Alternative Press interview thingy. Fucking great, can't wait, can't wait! I've only heard a sample of "Happiness is a Warm gun", and I liked it. But then I read about the perspective in which she's singing....I think my jaw dropped and I just stared into nothingness for a long time. Stunned. Intrigued. I can't find the words... now I'm obbsessed with the concept and songs that I've heard. I'm driving everyone around me nuts...making them watch the video and talk about it...checking The Dent everyday. Yes, as much as I've made fun of them in the past...I think it's safe to say I'm one of *them* now. (if only Tori had her own topic on here... hint, hint) The brilliant songs coupled with Neil's brilliant stories. It's all too much....fucking genius. And then after the tour there will be another new album! Can't find the words... Weeee! Sorry. I'll go away now.
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permalink #1147 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 29 Aug 01 23:44
permalink #1147 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 29 Aug 01 23:44
I'd love for Tori to have her own topic here, but I gather she doesn't do computer unless she absolutely has to...still haven't given up completely on the idea, though. Do you have the URL for that interview? And Raul Julia is positively snacky in everything, but my favorite is "One From the Heart" directed by Francis Ford Coppola and co-starring Teri Garr and Frederic Forrest. It also has Lainie Kazan, Nastassja Kinski, and Harry Dean Stanton, with a little tiny glimpse of Rebecca De Mornay. Music by Tom Waits. I love that movie.
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permalink #1148 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 29 Aug 01 23:44
permalink #1148 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 29 Aug 01 23:44
E-mail from Jo Simons: Hey all, Len - I've never dated someone who didn't like to read (as far as I know that is). Luckily my partner is as crazy about reading as I am, and we even have similar tastes (definately saves on money, given how many books we still end up buying). One of my friends did date someone who didn't like to read. He was gorgeous, smart (they were doing the same Masters course) and reportedly great in bed. However, apart from required course reading, the only thing he read was the autotrader paper. She just found that gradually, they ran out of things to talk about, and they broke up. Jo/sparrow PS on Punch - I found Neil's story good but disturbing, but then I really have trouble with puppets and clowns. Clown puppets being the worst.
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permalink #1149 of 2008: Angelina Venti (velvetraisin) Wed 29 Aug 01 23:51
permalink #1149 of 2008: Angelina Venti (velvetraisin) Wed 29 Aug 01 23:51
Erynn--I am getting SO excited too! I was intrigued by the new album at first, but now its like.......how I felt right before American Gods came out. I know I could get just about all the songs online, but something is stopping me from hearing more than I've already heard. I want some suprise and suspense, damnit! ...but another new album? Did I miss something? Angelina.
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permalink #1150 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Thu 30 Aug 01 01:54
permalink #1150 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Thu 30 Aug 01 01:54
Angelina- I allowed myself to listen to samples of the songs (Man, talk about torture. I wouldn't recommend it) and the promo tracks, but nothing else. I too want to hear the album with the pics and stories with a bottle of good wine in full stereo sound...not coming from my computer in that mp3-fucked-up-like sound. The AP article said that after a short tour she will be recording an album of new material (I wish I had the quote on hand...) I don't have a URL, but I'm sure it will be posted on the Dent any day now. (Mikewhy's actually behind! What's up with that?) I'm not a journalist, so I don't really know how journalists are supposed to do things...but in a lot of her interviews she has a lot of cool things to say and the interviewer is all like "and this is what I think about what she just said blah de blah de blah." Rhetorical speculation and what not. I like the interviews where they just let her talk. But this one is good. The pictures are interesting too. Linda- Do keep trying to get her here... I know it probably won't happen. But still. Please?
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