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permalink #1451 of 2008: Roxanne Cataudella (rocky-nyc) Tue 18 Sep 01 04:07
permalink #1451 of 2008: Roxanne Cataudella (rocky-nyc) Tue 18 Sep 01 04:07
Neil - I just got back from Taromina, Sicily last night. Let me assure you that the worst thing about being outside of the country when this horrific event happened was the inability to contact family and friends since all the telephone circuits were overloaded in the aftermath. We were also concerned that all flights had been cancelled without any further notice, but they resumed on last Saturday without incident. Security is much tighter at Rome airport, armed guards all over the place, but people were going about their business as usual, and we didn't feel unsafe. The Italian people were very sympathetic and concerned about Americans who were stranded after the incident. The very next day, people put up messages of prayers and condolences all over the city. "To Our American Friends, your pain in our pain, your mourning our mourning. Our prayers are with you and God help us all through this terrible time." And people kept coming up to us on the street to offer words of comfort and support. It was surreal to be in such an incredibly beautiful place, juxtaposed against trying to comprehend the magnitude of such devastation in your own hometown. I thank the gods of the internet for not going down. There were quite a few internet cafes where we were, so people left messages to let us know that they were ok. As our taxi took the Brooklyn/Queens Expressway to get us home, all we could see from the highway was am eerie white pall over the city, thickest I guess, where the WTC used to be. However, nothing prepared us for the sight of nothing where something rather massive used to be. Please go to Europe. You will be fine. As you said, security is the tightest it has ever been. Just watch out for food poisoning, drink some good Italian red wine, take Martha's advice and hug all your friends. We will all look forward to your posts from abroad. Bon voyage!
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permalink #1452 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Tue 18 Sep 01 05:40
permalink #1452 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Tue 18 Sep 01 05:40
Today's the day the rest of the world gets their hands on Tori's latest, unless of course the tragedy of the past week and the disruption of airplane flights has delayed shipments and/or the street date. I hope not. I really need a new cd to listen to right now.
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permalink #1453 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 06:43
permalink #1453 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 06:43
Neil-My mom would think you were right to go, I guess, so I bow to her, and your, moment of wisdom; and I'll be rethinking my plans for future travel, in the going to more places way... in my mother's case, however, she's more ill than she'll tell me and I think she has a fatalistic view of it, as in, what has she got to lose? I don't know if you caught that the toy was bought for Cam himself, not Ro; or did you realize that, and for once teased me back? <hug> Rocky-I'm so glad you're back. <hug> Kelly-expect an email from me. I've twice had that sort of not-willing-to-be-married, but not-willing-to-let-you-get-on-with-it manipulation. <hug> Last night, no one here slept well except Ro. Cam tossed all night, which is very unusual for him; Sean had more troubled dreams as well. I dreamt first that Neil was trying to hand me a hardback book that had the front paper cover torn half off, diagonally, so that I could never see the title; then that I was responsible for flying an airplane for Tori, one that would take us all back home, and my family & I waited and waited in a factory-like airport, but the plane was never ready; and then, that I kept trying to get back to ConCat, but I was scrounging for stuff like food, and trying to lay out the flyers with pieces of scavenged board even though the convention was already in progress, and I couldn't get there...
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permalink #1454 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Tue 18 Sep 01 07:34
permalink #1454 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Tue 18 Sep 01 07:34
DanGuy- No worries, there. I'm now listening to SLG (and can I just say Wow? [oh. I just did. er]). Rocky- Good to have you back. Kelly- It does sound like you're getting hit pretty hard over there. Positive vibes your way. And I salute you for being past the statues. I'm not. Mary- Yes, I enjoyed Saint Patrick's, even if I didn't make it inside (of course, that led to a major religious epiphany, that, while that's the Cathedral, in there, we're the Church. I mean, I *knew* that, but I guess I didn't realize it). A silent, subtle, intense prayer service. Neil- I laughed aloud about the tramp steamer, which was the first good laugh I've had since Wednesday. Thanks. And happy New Year to you. That last goes for everyone, of course. I was listening to the radio this morning, to 95.5 (Scott and Todd), and they read an e-mail that someone had written. Apparently, this someone was upset (damn near enraged) that they were playing Sting's "Desert Rose" because of the chant in the background by the 'Middle Easter singer'. They had a lot of fun with the someone who wrote, as Cheb Mami is Algerian and thus, for the geographically disadvantaged, a good distance from either Afghanistan or Pakistan, which was very funny. And frightening. We're going to be angry, which means we have to be even more careful. I mean, really, America is a superpower, and everyone with superpowers has super-responsibilities. Superman never killed anyone. If Gwen Stacy counts, Spiderman has only killed one person, and that was accidentally and damn near destroyed him emotionally. Point is, what happened was wrong and horrifying, but angrily and blindly lashing out will just make it even wors-- er. Sorry. Just realized I'm preaching to the choir here. It just hurts to read about people killing a Sikh because he was wearing a turban. My bad. rant off. Mary's right, though. There's a lot of hope in here.
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permalink #1455 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 18 Sep 01 08:01
permalink #1455 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 18 Sep 01 08:01
Neil - thank you. My overriding goal with this show is to produce two pieces that you and Martha would be proud of. She'll see her own story's adaptation, and I'll have to hope that she gives you a good report on Wholesale. Have a good trip. I went and saw a friend's show on Saturday night. She formed a sketch comedy troupe a year ago, and this was their second show. They were concerned about opening two days after the attacks. Was it appropriate to be doing sketch comedy so soon after this? As it is, they've had thankful and relieved audiences. People need to laugh. They need to enjoy themselves. They need to continue living. Not living as if nothing had happened, but also not to stop the things that make life beautiful. In that spirit, enjoy Italy. Make the most of the trip. We all look forward to hearing about your adventures.
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permalink #1456 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Tue 18 Sep 01 10:57
permalink #1456 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Tue 18 Sep 01 10:57
Grumbling ribs are accepting all hugs, thank you all. I realised later, of course, that my post was quite vague and mysterious, which I fully blame on a diet full of good fantasy books. :-) Brief synopsis - Mars and I were married back in 1998. We split up fall of 2000, after lots of problems and stubbornness and other things that cause people to split up. We then immediately started seeing each other again, living separately. Then I ended things in January of 2001 - found out our anniversary meant nothing to him, told him ciao and that was it. So I thought, anyhow. We had to get together for taxes... a month of hell after that, I asked him to coffee and he accepted. And we haven't been apart since then. In fact, we're back to living together, sharing lives, everything. The divorce papers were filed, but not finalized. So now it's that akward period where two people who have very different concepts of marriage (mine == healthy, his == unhealthy, and by his own admission) are trying to work out what the hell they're doing while simultaneously trying to make each other happy. His ideal doesn't include marriage, but he doesn't want the divorce because it will hurt me. My ideal includes marriage, but I don't want him stuck in something he doesn't want to be in. I know, it sounds like a bad Tom Hanks/Meg Ryan sort of movie, eh? (In fact, we've often joked we should screenplay how we met - it's too much a movie to have actually happened.) Anyhow, it's hard, of course. Relationships are hard work. But as I was reminded last night by a good friend, they're worth it, probably more than anything else we can ever do as human beings. To show and share love with another person. Or, as so eloquently sung,... "the greatest thing, you'll ever know, is just to love and be loved in return..." Which is a lesson I really wish more people would learn, could learn. But frankly, I think Our Mighty Leader is sadly a good representation of America in general... I think most people lose the ability to learn at a young age. And I think most people lose the ability to empathise with those thought of as "other" long before they lose the ability to learn... And thus we are stuck with things like chadors being ripped off women, the women run down while picking her children up from day care, Sikhs being shot in Arizona, mosques being set on fire, and perhaps most notibly, Operation Noble Eagle. Neil, be well in your travels. It's a scary time to fly, safety or not... and to be able to pick up and do it anyhow is indeed a rather brave thing. -Kelly
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permalink #1457 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Tue 18 Sep 01 10:59
permalink #1457 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Tue 18 Sep 01 10:59
Oh - forgot to mention. *holds up new Tori album* But, four different covers? Do you know how hard it was to pick just one? (I settled on the Happiness is a Warm Gun cover.) :-) -Kelly
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permalink #1458 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 11:08
permalink #1458 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 11:08
I don't know... It takes work to maintain relationships, and for them to grow... But *hard* work? Where one person does all the working, it's not a relationship worth working at, to me... as I've finally learned to great cost financially, emotionally, spiritually, even physically. If you consistently put your all into it, and it still doesn't work... is it ever going to? Do you find yourself, especially at a time like this, looking past your partner for comfort? I could just hit Cam at times, and I know that I'm not the easiest person to be with... but he's home. My warm lap, even if I'm bigger. And it took me way too long to value myself enough to find someone who I have that with.
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permalink #1459 of 2008: Roxanne Cataudella (rocky-nyc) Tue 18 Sep 01 11:47
permalink #1459 of 2008: Roxanne Cataudella (rocky-nyc) Tue 18 Sep 01 11:47
Will - Thanks, very glad to be back. FYI -- There's a playlist of about 150 forbidden songs being circulated by Clear Networks who own numerous radio stations across the country. These songs include, Ole Blue Eyes singing, "New York, New York"...Pat Benetar's "Hit Me With Your Best Shot.."..Kansas "Dust in the Wind"..you get the picture. So basically this along with all the spanking new laws that have hastily been passed to restrict our civil liberties really does mean that we're effectively terrorized. We're not playing songs because people might get upset at the content? And several new movies have had their release date pulled due because they dipticted NYC's former skyline? If we keep this up, book burning will be back in vogue. Ja'Nell - *Hug* I came home to find the octopus poster had been removed from over my building. Somehow I feel a deep sense of loss.
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permalink #1460 of 2008: JaZilla (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 11:51
permalink #1460 of 2008: JaZilla (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 11:51
Rocky, don't worry, Cam & I will send you all the octopi you want, and then some... :D "...book burning will be back in vogue."? Haven't you been keeping up with Neil's blogger?
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permalink #1461 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Tue 18 Sep 01 12:17
permalink #1461 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Tue 18 Sep 01 12:17
Neil, and all you bright souls: I thank you so very much. What you are saying gives me strength and hope. I will continue to build my sandcastles. I will create because that is my gift, and that is the best way to counteract destruction. I think a doggy named Barnabus told me that. Roxanne: I certainly don't believe in censorship, but damn you'd be amazed at the lack of sensitivity and propriety Hollywood can have. I work at Warner Brothers, and before the attack there was a HUGE poster for "Collateral Damage," an AHNOLD film about terrorism on the wall. When we returned, we found that it had been replaced with an even MORE HUGE (we're talking 4 stories high) poster of a TERRIFIED, SCREAMING FACE for some horror film they were promoting. Not surprisingly, that too disappeared soon after and was replaced with a poster for a buddy cop movie. I just love thinking about the person who said, "That huge screaming face is much more appropriate. Go for it."
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permalink #1462 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 18 Sep 01 13:02
permalink #1462 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 18 Sep 01 13:02
(Warning: longish.) I want to start off by saying that it has been really meaningful to share the experience of this forum with all of you (yall, for our southern friends) before the past week and, especially, during. I think you are a truly extraordinary group of people: intelligent, dynamic, talented and compassionate. The fact that we are all also barking mad and wicked-bad is just spice to the soup. <g> Im especially grateful to Neil for making the choices in his life that foster the creation of things like this. Theres something here about the seeds of things and the fruit they bear. On that note, and on hope, heres a quote I just put up at my desk this morning: "Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree." --Martin Luther So, Neil: Bon voyage! You are an ambassador of creativity and compassion, and Ill be sending you support. Meeting you in person had such a profound impact for the positive in my life, and I know that there are people in Italy waiting for the same experience. I think your trip represents just the sort of Life-building you talked about. Besides, I would LOVE to read a book you wrote after shipping out on a tramp steamer! (Heres hoping it doesnt come anywhere near that, though.) Adriana: Youre not alone, in your fear. Whenever I start thinking about what happens from here, I get overwhelmed. But Ive lived under the rule of fear and desperation and theyre ruthless tyrants. They create monsters. Theyre worth fighting. So Im refusing to direct my energy there. I encourage you to look for hope and find any little candlelight thats meaningful to you--sunlight in the morning, the warmth of your husbands hand, the laughter of children--symbols of things that are good and living and enduring. Then hold on, hard; dont let it go. Blow on it, fan the flame, and keep your focus on it. Were here with you. And Im thankful youre here with me. Bill2: Thanks for your post, and especially for the quote about gods and angels. Sending a hug of support and a nice hot virtual cuppa for your efforts! Mike: Thanks for the update on Emma. Im glad shes home. Rebecca: YAY! That did my heart good. Hugs to you! BTW, I just finished _Fools Run_ by McKillip. (A friend bought it for me at a used book store.) Who knew she wrote SciFi? Have you read _The Fox Woman_, by Kij Johnson? Its gorgeous. I just thought you might like it. Len: May the New Year brings us all better things. Im so grateful for the whole concept of renewal right now. Will: I loved what you said about superheroes. Those original characters had so much of America in them. Dan W: I think your work represents the very best sense of the the-show-must-go-on tradition. Mary: Let me know what you think of _Midnight Robber_. I just got it, it's on the To Be Read pile, and I'm looking forward to it! Kelly: Im so sorry. My marriage almost ended a couple of years ago, and there are few relationships that can cause that much agony. Or give that kind of reward. I agree with you completely: it can take incredibly hard work to make any kind of significant partnership successful. I think that the more you want/ask/need from a relationship, the more you have to ante up of yourself to make it work: truth, compassion, both self and selflessness. The one thing I gained a LOT of clarity on through my process is that it absolutely requires that both partners be willing to make that investment. One of the hardest things for me to accept was that I had absolutely no control over that decision in someone elses soul. If it helps to know that someone understands something of what youre going through, I offer my little bit. Ill be holding up your heart while you walk this path, and wishing that all things work for your ultimate best. JaNell: > And it took me way too long to value myself enough to find someone >who I have that with. Me too. I just wanted to say that your Snoopy bandaid made me smile. It's the little things, ya know? It just pleased something childlike and innocent in me, and reminded me that shes still in there. Congrats on your donation, and thanks.
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permalink #1463 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 13:13
permalink #1463 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 13:13
Well, I have to have a child-like side to balance the darkly intense core that makes people so uncomfortable, once they really get to know me. I'm at a place now where it's safe for the little girl to come out again; so I try to enjoy it. (I've been marking out the UT Vols related stuff on the t-shirt Medic gave me with sharpies - the football helmet has turned into a menacing Darth Vader. And take that, you!)
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permalink #1464 of 2008: Shawn Shelby (shawnshelby) Tue 18 Sep 01 14:28
permalink #1464 of 2008: Shawn Shelby (shawnshelby) Tue 18 Sep 01 14:28
Well, in the wake of Pamelas very optimistic comments, I'd like express my own appreciation for the warmth and humour on this board. I've been lurking here for quite a longh while now, although I haven't been able to post my thoughts nearly as often as I'd wish. But following the your ideas and opinions has given me a great many things to ponder, and I've enjoyed it very much. On the recent prejudiced attacks, I'm extremely ashamed of the actions of several fellow citizens here in Dallas. Our city was host to the first several reported hate crimes following the WTC attack, with two Mosques being burned by Molotov cocktails and shot out in drivebye shootings. These both occured Tuesday night, when people SHOULD have been contemplating the senslesness of violence, instead of responding with more in kind. I can't describe how saddening it was to see CNN and ABC national News reporting to the world, these crimes here in my home. And then Saturday, just hours after the murder in Arizona, a Pakistani shopkeeper was shot to death in his store. 3 13 yearolds have also been arrested in Fort Worth (our neighboring city) for making death threats to their Indian classmate. They're being held by police with the possibility of being charged with commiting a hate crime by making the threat. What's truly disturbing, is that typically, Texans have a reputation as some of the most friendly people in the nation. And it's largely well-earned. But, from experience, I can also say that we're among the first to jump on a "cause" whether it makes sense or not. Our affinity for guns is also well-earned. I hope that the police and prosecutors are given the authority to severely punish those responsible for these attacks, and can discourage any further violence, but only time will tell.
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permalink #1465 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 18 Sep 01 14:47
permalink #1465 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 18 Sep 01 14:47
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permalink #1466 of 2008: Bill^2 (billbill) Tue 18 Sep 01 14:49
permalink #1466 of 2008: Bill^2 (billbill) Tue 18 Sep 01 14:49
Pamela -- you're welcome, and thanx for the hug & the cuppa. Although the cuppa's going to have to wait, on account of a recently-extracted wisdom tooth. Ow. Neil -- having visited AG.com from work and noted the warning there (and subsequently having my computer start acting freaky on me), are you perhaps going to post an all-clear here for us? Rocky -- I saw that list as well, and was baffled. I mean, Satchmo's "What a Wonderful World"? John Lennon's "Imagine"? I gave that list a hearty "WTF?"
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permalink #1467 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 18 Sep 01 14:55
permalink #1467 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 18 Sep 01 14:55
Back to spread more light and hope... Please take a moment to look at these images, if you haven't already seen them. I found it a powerful experience. Link to: http://spot.eroded.org/thankyou/ (Wait for the first page to load, click at "Here" and then "Next Page" to see them all.) One world. One love. One peace. -P
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permalink #1468 of 2008: Lenny Bailes (jroe) Tue 18 Sep 01 15:19
permalink #1468 of 2008: Lenny Bailes (jroe) Tue 18 Sep 01 15:19
I'm thinking about how freaked out I was by A Game of You.
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permalink #1469 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Tue 18 Sep 01 15:35
permalink #1469 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Tue 18 Sep 01 15:35
ROCKY! - Geez, leave the board for a couple of days and come back to a hello from the precious Diva of all divas. I mean, I knew you were okay, but it feels so much better to actually hear from you. :) Welcome back. And I'm with Bill, WTF? CD delivery was very much unaffected for this week. I bounced around the UPS guy yesterday (not just because he's a hottie this time!) to make sure we got the new Tori. I'm really happy with my cover. 'Course, I didn't have any choice in the matter, as mine was a promo. Still, took me two reads to notice it said "SATIN"... :P But have you seen the cover for the new Gerald Levert album? What's with the sequinned gangsta thug teddy bear? Scary! Neil - have a wonderful trip! Lenny - Not that it wasn't a freaky story at all, but what in particular? (It used to be wallpaper in the mousecage.... er, it still is, I suppose) squeaks, who is off to pick up the rest of her Burning Man photos now.
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permalink #1470 of 2008: JaNell runs & hides... (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 15:52
permalink #1470 of 2008: JaNell runs & hides... (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 15:52
OK, in the spirit of bravery and all... http://www.xanga.com/home.asp?user=JaNell and I'll probably chicken out in a bit, and scribble it, but... there it is.
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permalink #1471 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 18 Sep 01 16:34
permalink #1471 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 18 Sep 01 16:34
JaNell: Well, if you chicken, I got the link first an' I'm not givin' it back! But it's wonderful! All the dark and light and funny and wildchild JaNell we love. Smooches for your courage!
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permalink #1472 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 16:43
permalink #1472 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 16:43
I'd blush but I've not got the coloring for it...
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permalink #1473 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 16:55
permalink #1473 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Sep 01 16:55
But if any of you do go, please let me know in the comments section which parts you enjoyed...
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permalink #1474 of 2008: Tree (who just may break one of Rocky's ribs hugging her) (jinx) Tue 18 Sep 01 17:27
permalink #1474 of 2008: Tree (who just may break one of Rocky's ribs hugging her) (jinx) Tue 18 Sep 01 17:27
Neil--I stumbled across a wonderful travel wish recently. A girl's mum promised to hold the plane up in the sky for her and get her safely to her destination. And the girl had a wonderful flight, knowing that her mum carried her through the sky. I'm sure this bunch here will have no problem carrying you across the sky to Italy and back again. Have a wonderful, wonderful trip. Rocky--YAY! You're home! Have you spoken to Tanya yet? Even my mum was ringing me, panic-stricken, asking if you were OK. (For the record, I spent almost a week at Rocky's in NYC in July.) I shall observe a moment's silence for the octopus. JaNell--People can only leave comments if they sign up for Xanga. It sucketh mightily. I'll check the stores today to see if Tori's new album has arrived. I suspect it won't have, almost everything has been delayed here (including Fantasy & Science Fiction Magazine with Neil's new short story in it.) Unfortunately, acts of violence against Middle Eastern people are not restricted to the US. I'm sad to report that even in Australia, mosques have been fire bombed, busloads of Islamic students have been stoned and Islamic girls refused access to trams by bigoted drivers. Tree Hanging her headcold-filled head with shame.
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permalink #1475 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 18 Sep 01 17:33
permalink #1475 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 18 Sep 01 17:33
Okay -- in haste http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bu lletin/MS01-020.asp is the patch for anyone with Windows who's been to neilgaiman.com -- or to anywhere else with the e-mail worm on it...
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