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permalink #1426 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Sun 16 Sep 01 23:24
permalink #1426 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Sun 16 Sep 01 23:24
I'd been worrying about Emma and her trip home. Glad it's done and she's ready for the PT. How interesting is the hardware?
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permalink #1427 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 17 Sep 01 07:39
permalink #1427 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 17 Sep 01 07:39
Emma got home, my parent are home from Wisconson... this is good. I'm now Great Aunt JaNell, as my step-dad's granddaughter had an emergency C-section a week ago Friday (just heard about it today) because she stopped breathing, and the baby is only 4lbs. 11 oz., but alive... And my cousin Diane's son Joey, 18, just enlisted a few months back, just got shipped to Tel Aviv. Big personal news day.
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permalink #1428 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Mon 17 Sep 01 08:31
permalink #1428 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Mon 17 Sep 01 08:31
I'm glad to hear about Emma, and I'm sure that someone here can pass along well-wishes, so I extend them. Congratulations on the Grand-niece, JaNell, and.... well, I don't know what to say about your cousin's son. I'll be praying for him, though. Was invited to go see American Pie 2 today, but I think I'm going to go to the Saint Pat's memorial service, instead. Definitely seems more appropriate at the moment. It's struck me dumb to see all the vendors on the street selling pre-attack postcards that show the WTC for a dollar each (they were ten for a dollar, before), tee shirts that have the old NYC sky-line (wow. That's a wierd description) and say "I survived the attack," and various other tchotschkes (spelling there? I wanted to use the word, but then realized I didn't know for sure how to spell it) like pens and pins for inflated prices. I really wanted to push over all the tables and yell at them for such crassness, but it just would have started more trouble, and more trouble is exactly what we don't need right now. Especially after I saw a van stopped at a traffic light near my apartment last night with, taped to the back window, a cardboard sign that said "NUKE 'EM ALL!" Really scares me, and what scares me more is that I can't figure out where I stand. I'm against blindly attacking innocent people, obviously, but, you know, I just can't come to terms with the horrible stuff I've read about the Taliban (and you know, I've not been a fan of them since they destroyed all those Buddha statues several months back). We can't go and nuke things, *Can't*, but, well, I wish we didn't have to put up with the Taliban. I mean, I'm a tolerant and open-minded guy who's seriously considered giving up membership in the BSA (even though I'm an Eagle Scout) because of their discrimination against homosexuality, but I really can't find tolerance for a belief system that won't allow women to be educated, and bans all creative expression that is not related to religion.
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permalink #1429 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Mon 17 Sep 01 10:31
permalink #1429 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Mon 17 Sep 01 10:31
The thing with the US and the Taliban that really drives me up the wall is the information that we (or rather, our government) gave them a lot of financial support a few months ago. Why, you ask? Because of their strong "anti-drug" stance. So, despite innumerable human rights violations we considered them worthy of US support because they burn opium fields... I swear at times it seems like we're being led by myopic turtles. A little closer to home for me has been watching little reactions to all this. In particular, fears and concerns about We Can Get Them For You Wholesale... is it appropriate to have a comedic piece about mass murder in the show? Should we cut the line "judicious bombings"? The fact that the show has nothing to do with terrorism per se, and that there were no actual bombs involved in last week's attack are elements that had escaped the notice of those concerned. Had the story contained the words "hijacking planes" then I would have felt differently about the suggested censorship. Indeed, when it was pointed out that the story actually has some crucial things to say about the ease of dehumanizing people and seeing death tolls as nothing but numbers on a balance sheet, it was agreed that the story was extraordinarily good for us to do at this point in time. While I applaud the sensitivity that people are demonstrating, it worries me when we start flinching at art that draws our attention to the inconveniently constant darkness of human nature.
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permalink #1430 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 17 Sep 01 10:32
permalink #1430 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 17 Sep 01 10:32
I heard today that eBay is refusing to sell any WTC related items... people were actually trying to auction off rubble!
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permalink #1431 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Mon 17 Sep 01 10:45
permalink #1431 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Mon 17 Sep 01 10:45
Wow. It's a sick, sick world, sometimes. But other times, you just have to sit back and cry and applaud all those guys down there right now, on their knees. I'll be going to Saint Patrick's tonight, if anyone in here from here would like to meet up with me. And Dan- I read this morning that the Taliban (well, Afghanistan, really, but mainly the Taliban) is responsible for 39% of the world's opium supply. You know, the addictive behind heroin and suchlike. How strange to be anti-drug.
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permalink #1432 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Mon 17 Sep 01 11:21
permalink #1432 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Mon 17 Sep 01 11:21
Martha -- the hardware is a metal plate (Will described it as "stainless steel," which is possible, though I'd expect a different alloy) and a few screws holding it in place, nothing elaborate (and, while I didn't ask for a peek inside her sling, it should all be under the skin). For what little it may be worth, there is nothing whatsoever new about selling bits of material associated with significant moments, however unpleasant. Scraps of cloth dipped in Charles I's blood were traded for generations after the execution, and of course if you have a bit of the TITANIC, you can name your price -- letters posted from aboard on White Star Line stationery bring thousands. Some people will find the "I Survived" shirts extremely offensive; others will see them as typical NYC black humor, a way of coping, even of retaliating without violence. I'm not defending the people who are simply cynically cranking the prices up, but it would seem that the logical reply to a sale one disapproves of is to invoke the law of supply and demand, and let it sit there until the vendor gets the point.
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permalink #1433 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 17 Sep 01 11:40
permalink #1433 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 17 Sep 01 11:40
Actually, I have a piece of the scaffolding that the Titanic was on before it sailed... Jameson gave it to me... Jameson is also the proud keeper of the Gnome that Charles Vess felt up at ConCat, and that a girl in the front row at ConCat's open ceremonies the year Neil was there heard referred to when Neil said "...fuck..." and Lisa Snellings said, "You can't say that word, there's a gnome right there."
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permalink #1434 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Mon 17 Sep 01 11:45
permalink #1434 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Mon 17 Sep 01 11:45
I feel like I have nothing smart to add here. I just wanted to talk for a moment. I'm having a hard time getting back into everyday life. Sleep is still elusive. I try to embrace peace, compassion, and love at all times, but I find my body quaking in fear. I listened to a song I wrote just a month ago and finally understand what it's about. I had written these lyrics, "Now I am harder than I ever thought I could/ and if you are a soothing balm I wish you would/ I wish you would." I get it now. I didn't want this, but this is where life has brought us. I wish I could be as soft as I was just a week ago. My grandmother, who is 92 and has seen it all, is dying. Her heart is finally giving out. I don't want her to see the planet this way, not after all she's been through. It sounds like you all are having a bit of Hope. I want to hear about it, and what is getting you though the day. I need to hear why you have Hope. Thanks. Adriana
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permalink #1435 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 17 Sep 01 12:04
permalink #1435 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 17 Sep 01 12:04
My mother just got back from a trip, and said she was going on a cruise in October... I said, "But MOM..." and she said, "If we let the terrorists keep us from enjoying life while we have it, we're giving in to them."
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permalink #1436 of 2008: JaNell's stuck in the computer again. (goldennokomis) Mon 17 Sep 01 12:53
permalink #1436 of 2008: JaNell's stuck in the computer again. (goldennokomis) Mon 17 Sep 01 12:53
Just a fair warning, Neil; I've quoted you on my blogger. Twice.
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permalink #1437 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 17 Sep 01 12:53
permalink #1437 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 17 Sep 01 12:53
Er, make that three times, I forgot the shiny tights thing.
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permalink #1438 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Mon 17 Sep 01 12:54
permalink #1438 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Mon 17 Sep 01 12:54
Ah. I thought Emma might have one of those external halo fixators. Saw someone walking down my street with one supporting his ankle last week.
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permalink #1439 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Mon 17 Sep 01 13:47
permalink #1439 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Mon 17 Sep 01 13:47
Emma doesn't need an external fixator to hold her halo in place. ^_^ And I, Adriana, am hopeful because I see people banding together for the common good and taking joy from that newfound unity (despite what seems to me to be much of the media's attempts to crush any unity and undermine any confidence in the government by painting America as a terrible country that bombs other countries all the time and blows up innocents and funds dangerous extremists and so should have expected such a tragic "backlash").
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permalink #1440 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Mon 17 Sep 01 14:08
permalink #1440 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Mon 17 Sep 01 14:08
Here here, Dan. I've seen a couple instances, here in New York, of "We're not strangers anymore." Maybe we're not innocent anymore, but, you know, we're actually looking at each other, *seeing* each other. We don't do that so much in the Big City. It can be so anonymous, so impersonal, here. Yeah, we lost *a lot* of people we loved. It's a horrible, horrible thing. And we're here for each other, now more than ever, because we *need* each other. That's hopeful, to me.
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permalink #1441 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Mon 17 Sep 01 14:34
permalink #1441 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Mon 17 Sep 01 14:34
Just want to wish all who celebrate or sympathize-- or just feel the need for one-- a happy new year. Shana Tovah.
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permalink #1442 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Mon 17 Sep 01 14:55
permalink #1442 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Mon 17 Sep 01 14:55
Will... I'm trying to let go about the Buddha statues. I am. Honest. Because *deep breath* it's what Buddha would want me to do. It's really annoying to agree with and try to adhere to principles of someone so, so, serene! :-) But I try, and most of the time I do okay, and sometimes I fail miserably. Right now, I'm doing okay. At least about the statues. People, tho, are sickening. We asked to get out of a cab before we got to our destination on Friday night. Why? Because the cab driver was laughing hysterically, pounding on the steering wheel, he was so happy... about the cardboard sign on the back of a truck that said "fuck the camel jockies." :-( Adriana... hope? What's that. (It's been a bad, bad day. The significant other doesn't want to divorce because he doesn't want to send that message to me, what divorce means, but he doesn't want to send the message that marries means, either. It's been a long day, and just looking to get longer.) -Kelly
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permalink #1443 of 2008: Rebecca Atchison (nefertiti) Mon 17 Sep 01 15:48
permalink #1443 of 2008: Rebecca Atchison (nefertiti) Mon 17 Sep 01 15:48
I did have a little hope, 2 nights ago. I actually got a little bit hungry, for the first time in at least 6 months, and I'm sure actually longer than that, because I can't remember the last time. It made me feel human, and quickened, and vital. It felt like such a luxury. It was better than food. And it didn't last, but that's OK, too.
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permalink #1444 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Mon 17 Sep 01 17:11
permalink #1444 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Mon 17 Sep 01 17:11
Most of the hope I've had is because a lot of people are reacting to things with compassion, thoughtfulness, reflection, and open heartedness. People seem willing to look at themselves as members of a global community as much as, or more, than adopting an "us against them" stance. For every Jerry Falwell quote I've heard, I've heard two or three stories of highly conservative religious leaders talking about compassion and understanding that extends across national, social, economic, and religious lines. Kelly - I'm not entirely sure what's going on with you... but it sounds really bad. My thoughts are with you.
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permalink #1445 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Mon 17 Sep 01 17:14
permalink #1445 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Mon 17 Sep 01 17:14
Rush Limbaugh of all people took Falwell and Robertson sharply to task in opening his show today, I've heard.
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permalink #1446 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 17 Sep 01 23:19
permalink #1446 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 17 Sep 01 23:19
Just put this up on my blogger: So. I'm going to Trieste, for the Fantasy Festival (you'll find something about it here at http://www.corriere.fantascienza.com/ and the official site here at http://www.sfx.it/.) I'm leaving this coming Wednesday. Pretty much everyone I talk to seems to think this is a very bad idea, and I think I've rather managed to upset several people I care about by deciding to go. I'm going because I got up this morning, fully prepared to cancel -- I'd already cancelled the flight to the UK last Saturday, to go to Douglas Adams's memorial today -- and then I thought, "You know, if I don't go, if I just sit here for the next week, I'll feel like those twerps have won. And to the extent that people stop travelling and stop doing things, to the extent that we withdraw from the world, then that's the extent that whoever did these appalling things wins and the rest of us lose." Which may not be particularly profound, but I phoned the travel agent and established that, yes, I could fly out on Wednesday, and I established that, yes, the festival did still want me. And so I'm going. I'm not sure that it's particularly brave of me -- in all honesty I doubt that I'm likely to incur much personal risk (it's probably safer to fly right now, when security is at its tightest, than it will be in a couple of years, when everyone's relaxed). I don't think that Trieste or Venice (where I fly into) are likely to be major terrorist targets. If things internationally go severely wobbly while I'm away, I might be stuck on the other side of the Atlantic for a while. I don't actually expect it will come to that. If it does, I'll go to England and hole up in Dave Mckean's spare room, or see if I can ride home on the QE2 or something like that. (I could hitch a ride on a tramp steamer, like people do in books, if I knew how to recognise a tramp steamer.) I'll take the Libretto. I'll post from the road. I'll be fine. ...... jaNell -- happy birthday to Rowan. (Not to worry about the McFarlane thing; while he may never win the World's Most Ethical Businessman Award, and while he makes the people who screwed Siegel and Shuster look good, he makes decent toys and I'd never want a kid who wants a toy to be denied it.) Adriana -- why have hope? Because we're human, and tomorrow the sun comes up, and babies need to be fed, and cat-boxes need to be emptied, and there's still art, and love, and wisdom. There's a lot of good things in the world, and they most of them take a long time to build. People can do bad things. I remember, as a boy in the 1960s, seeing bombsites from the second world war in London and Portsmouth (unimaginably far in the past, I thought at the time -- but nearer to me then than the Falklands Conflict is to now). Trying to imagine what it must have been like to have nightly bombing raids over your city: sleeping in underground stations for shelters, your house there when you went to sleep and rubble when you awoke. I remember as a ten year old doing the school assignment to write my family tree, and talking to relatives, and learning just how many branches of my own family tree ended in Auschwitz, or in Daschau. Things that take a long time to make -- decades, for people, hundreds of years sometimes, for cities -- can be destroyed in moments. Hope is what makes us continue to create, to build, to breathe. Just because a bully can kick over a sandcastle doesn't mean you don't build sandcastles. Dan -- I'm pleased for WHOLESALE. And yes, that was kind of the point. Kelly -- i send the sort of awkward hugs you send people with grumbling ribs.
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permalink #1447 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 17 Sep 01 23:37
permalink #1447 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 17 Sep 01 23:37
Forgot to say that this morning's post brought four pages from Gene Wolfe of our short story (if that is what it is). I read them with awe, delight and wonder, and then sat down and wrote my next thousand words. We're up to page 11. Much too much like fun to be real work...
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permalink #1448 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Mon 17 Sep 01 23:41
permalink #1448 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Mon 17 Sep 01 23:41
I find hope here. Most of you folk go a lot farther toward the "Love thy enemy" thing than "Christians" seem able to these days. It's a relief to come here after going back to work today, where people who are lifelong liberals tried to tell me that the ACLU should not protect the rights of Arab Americans, that we should hunt the perpetrators down & kill them, and that they hated Arabs. I was appalled. "Civilized". Oh, yeah, that's us. We can preach to the Irish, the Palestinians, the Israelis, that they should not retaliate, that they should negotiate for peace, but the minute it's an American that's killed, all bets are off. We turn into a nation of ravening wolves. Disgusting. And pathetic. Ooops. Sorry. Rant mode off. Bad day. Not, however, as bad as yours sounded, Kelly. You deserve someone to love you unreservedly. I hope you find that. I'm praying for you. Len--Shana Tova! May your New Year be blessed! Rebecca--Yay! Congratulations! That must have been wonderful. Next time it will last longer, and pretty soon, we'll all be tired of you munching chips in the background :-) Will-hope you enjoyed St. Pat's. It sure is beautiful. I try to visit whenever I'm in NYC. (Even though the homilies are frequently of the "you're a horrible sinner & it's a wonder God puts up with you" variety). It's easier to tolerate in those environs ;-) Ooooo, Neil just slipped. Talk about something that will cheer you right up! What's the story about, Seanachie? Mary (reading Midnight Robber by Nalo Hopkinson, doux-doux)
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permalink #1449 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Mon 17 Sep 01 23:48
permalink #1449 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Mon 17 Sep 01 23:48
The post that slipped was the one about the Gene Wolfe story. I am not cheered up by your going to Italy. I agree completely that you should not let the twerps win. But forgive an old woman a twinge of apprehension. I shall be sending good vibes along with you a'Wednesday. (Too much Shakespeare last week. Must....st...stop). And have a blast! M.
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permalink #1450 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 18 Sep 01 00:01
permalink #1450 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 18 Sep 01 00:01
I'm not more worried about you in Italy than in mumble-mumble. You should go, you should see friends from Europe, you should give them all hugs. The only reason to stay would have been if your family all wanted to stay together for a while, but you have strong family members. Have a good flight and get to the airport _early_.
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