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permalink #301 of 376: tambourine verde (barb-albq) Fri 28 Jun 02 17:29
permalink #301 of 376: tambourine verde (barb-albq) Fri 28 Jun 02 17:29
applause!
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permalink #302 of 376: Steve Silberman (digaman) Fri 28 Jun 02 17:43
permalink #302 of 376: Steve Silberman (digaman) Fri 28 Jun 02 17:43
Dave, this was a great thing. You're a charming, brilliant guy, as well as a great writer. Thanks!
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permalink #303 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Fri 28 Jun 02 18:22
permalink #303 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Fri 28 Jun 02 18:22
Gosh people, you're welcome and thanks for the kind words. It was my pleasure ... believe me. This WELL community is a great thing. P.S. Steve <digaman>, please e-mail me "off-line" or call over the weekend. Thanks!
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permalink #304 of 376: something named (stdale) Fri 28 Jun 02 23:29
permalink #304 of 376: something named (stdale) Fri 28 Jun 02 23:29
Wow, it's over? I meant to jump in every day, but could barely keep up with the conversation which was so rich in knowledge, experience and insight. Thanks, Dave, for a terrific book and a sensational inwell topic!
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permalink #305 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Sat 29 Jun 02 07:05
permalink #305 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Sat 29 Jun 02 07:05
> Wow, it's over? I had the same reaction yesterday. But as Yogi Berra once said ... Thanks, Shaun. I greatly appreciate the kind words!
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permalink #306 of 376: David Gans (tnf) Sat 29 Jun 02 09:43
permalink #306 of 376: David Gans (tnf) Sat 29 Jun 02 09:43
It's not over! Keep posting!
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permalink #307 of 376: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sat 29 Jun 02 09:58
permalink #307 of 376: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sat 29 Jun 02 09:58
It's not over till the <croz> stops singing -- and not even then. <smile>
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permalink #308 of 376: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Sat 29 Jun 02 10:03
permalink #308 of 376: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Sat 29 Jun 02 10:03
Dave! just because the official 15 minutes is up doesn't mean the conversation has to end!
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permalink #309 of 376: Linda Castellani (castle) Sat 29 Jun 02 12:00
permalink #309 of 376: Linda Castellani (castle) Sat 29 Jun 02 12:00
Yeah! Get back here. We got lots more to say to you!
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permalink #310 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Sat 29 Jun 02 13:42
permalink #310 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Sat 29 Jun 02 13:42
Don't worry. I'm not going anywhere ... at least not right away. I'll still check in a few times each day and will happily respond to any new questions or comments as they arise. ;-)
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permalink #311 of 376: Buzz Person (thebuzzzz) Sun 30 Jun 02 01:12
permalink #311 of 376: Buzz Person (thebuzzzz) Sun 30 Jun 02 01:12
Yes.. thanks Dave.. I was able to finish this from I-Net cafes and enjoyed it all....
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permalink #312 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Sun 30 Jun 02 06:04
permalink #312 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Sun 30 Jun 02 06:04
Cool, Buzz ... Thanks ... Travel safe ... Going fishing today with my son ... while check back late this afternoon.
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permalink #313 of 376: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sun 30 Jun 02 16:35
permalink #313 of 376: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sun 30 Jun 02 16:35
Listening to "Judy Blue Eyes" for the billionth time just now in a health food store, I had a revelation. The middle section, just before "chestnut brown canary," with Stills making those wonderful broad strums while beating on what is probably the body of his guitar, *IS* Indian music. In just that little sanctuary there, he created the most lovely synthesis of American folk music and classical Indian music I can recall, and I listen to a lot of stuff along that edge (Sandy Bull, Renbourn, Ralph Towner and Oregon, etc. etc.). Go listen to it! For some reason, I never thought about that before.
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permalink #314 of 376: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sun 30 Jun 02 16:43
permalink #314 of 376: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sun 30 Jun 02 16:43
This in email just now from my friend Raymond Foye, a true CSNY scholar: I just played it. Yeah, that is *the* moment! Listening to it live during the past 2 years of CSNY shows, I felt he was jamming further & further on the Indian/Middle Eastern vibe, in his solos. I also find the lyrics to that song masterful & utterly Middle Eastern/Persian, like Rumi, with all this talk of birds, Tuesday in the afternoon, flying away... It's so beautiful the way it meanders from one phrase-image to another. The song is really a masterpiece of writing & craft. "A picture of the mind moving," as Phil Whalen said. RF
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permalink #315 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Sun 30 Jun 02 17:24
permalink #315 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Sun 30 Jun 02 17:24
>he created the most lovely synthesis of American folk music and classical Indian music I can recall ... Steve and Raymond ... so true, so true. Thanks for the fresh insights into a song that has wound through my senses more than a thousand times. And the thing is, Stephen created this synthesis of styles as an emotional release rather than conscious construction. The way he lingers on the passing lead lines, fretting with authoritative vibrato, you can almost see his head bowed over his Martin, deep into the feelings of the moment. On stage, he has been able to recapture and expand this expression -- jamming down fresh corridors that open up as he plays. Listening to the alternate mix of "The Suite" tonight, I noticed something I had not heard before. After the soaring CSN harmony blend on MAAAARRROWW, there is an audible "gee" in the background ... a spontaneous exclamation of joy? From Nash? Croz? Halverson? I'll have to listen to it again.
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permalink #316 of 376: David Gans (tnf) Sun 30 Jun 02 17:55
permalink #316 of 376: David Gans (tnf) Sun 30 Jun 02 17:55
I doubt Halverson would have been anywhere near a microphone; he was undoubtedly behind a big window, in the control room.
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permalink #317 of 376: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sun 30 Jun 02 19:28
permalink #317 of 376: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sun 30 Jun 02 19:28
lovely description there, dave. ever thought about becoming a professional writer? :)
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permalink #318 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Mon 1 Jul 02 07:19
permalink #318 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Mon 1 Jul 02 07:19
>I doubt Halverson would have been anywhere near a microphone; he was undoubtedly behind a big window, in the control room. You're right, David. Halverson wouldn't have been out there ... And thanks for more kind words, Steve. Your posts have been inspirations during the run of this topic ...
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permalink #319 of 376: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 1 Jul 02 19:28
permalink #319 of 376: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 1 Jul 02 19:28
I suddenly have an URGENT REQUEST to post, and this seems like the perfect place: If anybody reading this topic, either here on the WELL or elsewhere on the Web can turn me on to some pairs of guitar picks with interesting histories to be used in a project, and therefore not returnable - I'd even be willing to pay for them - I will be extremely and eternally grateful. The thing is, I need them as soon as possible, and probably even sooner than that. Even one pair in that time frame will be appreciated. You can e-mail me here: castle at well.com. Thank you!
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permalink #320 of 376: look, it's all right there in front of you... (cmf) Tue 2 Jul 02 06:46
permalink #320 of 376: look, it's all right there in front of you... (cmf) Tue 2 Jul 02 06:46
Dave -- With all your experience with CSN, can you put your finger on a song that most representative CSN. You know, from your perspective one tune that epitomizes the very best of what and who they are? I KNOW there will be some other opinions on this (wink to diga et. al.)and I truly am interested in reading them all, but I'd love to get an otherwise untainted opinion from from Mr. Zimmer before others jump in...
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permalink #321 of 376: Steve Silberman (digaman) Tue 2 Jul 02 07:43
permalink #321 of 376: Steve Silberman (digaman) Tue 2 Jul 02 07:43
(silent wink back)
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permalink #322 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Tue 2 Jul 02 08:14
permalink #322 of 376: Dave Zimmer (zimmerdave) Tue 2 Jul 02 08:14
Hi folks ... am running today with much happening ... with regard to Tony's question ... the first song that popped into my head was "Wooden Ships," because it has everything ... the harmonies, solo voices, the lyric sentiments, crackling Stills rhythm and flowing lead guitar, the Croz feel, Nash high end ... then I thought about "Helplessly Hoping" ... for the harmonies and Stills acoustic guitar picking ... there are so many ... that's my response on the fly ... a more thoughtful one tonight, after others weigh in.
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permalink #323 of 376: look, it's all right there in front of you... (cmf) Tue 2 Jul 02 08:19
permalink #323 of 376: look, it's all right there in front of you... (cmf) Tue 2 Jul 02 08:19
That's funny that you mention Helplessly Hoping. That's the song, performed by a very talented aunt and uncle duo, that first nabbed. The door is now open...<smile> Diga?
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permalink #324 of 376: David Gans (tnf) Tue 2 Jul 02 09:55
permalink #324 of 376: David Gans (tnf) Tue 2 Jul 02 09:55
"Wooden Ships" is a damn fine choice!
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permalink #325 of 376: David A. Mason (mntnwolf) Tue 2 Jul 02 19:30
permalink #325 of 376: David A. Mason (mntnwolf) Tue 2 Jul 02 19:30
But S:JBE would be just as fine of one... for the singing, lyrics and amazing acoustic guitar-picking.
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