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permalink #251 of 771: Ruth Allison (tinydancer) Wed 28 Jun 06 15:22
permalink #251 of 771: Ruth Allison (tinydancer) Wed 28 Jun 06 15:22
I'd be interested in hearing about how you and Rita got together and stayed together. All I know is that you met on The Well. From the outside looking in, it seems like you have one of the more devoted and durable relationships around. That's as much of an accomplishment as the music.
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permalink #252 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 20:52
permalink #252 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 20:52
Rita and I met at a series of WELL-mediated events, most notable the Sing Thing. (See <oakland.354> for the current incarnation of the Sing Ting topic, and http://www.singthing.org for more info.) There was also tthe chili cookoff at the Berkeley Yacht Club - in August 1992, I think - to which Rita brought the richest, yummiest cornbread you ever tasted. Bu mostly it was the Sing Thing, which was pretty mush a monthly event in those days. We just sort of emerged out of the crowd into each other's gaze over a period of months, and on November 5, 1992 I just couldn't take my eyes off her. I won't bore you with the details, but we communicated over that weekend and had dinner together on November 8. And the rest is history! We were married on September 11, 1994 at the Pt Isabel dog park on the shores of San Francisco Bay, opposite the Golden Gate, on a breezy and beautiful day. Tennis balls and frisbees were thrown, and some of our friends wore necklaces by Fido of Milkbone.
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permalink #253 of 771: Gail Williams (gail) Thu 29 Jun 06 07:34
permalink #253 of 771: Gail Williams (gail) Thu 29 Jun 06 07:34
So sweet in the telling. "Emerged out of the crowd into each other's gaze" almost sounds like the seeds of song.
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permalink #254 of 771: John P. McAlpin (john-p-mcalpin) Thu 29 Jun 06 10:38
permalink #254 of 771: John P. McAlpin (john-p-mcalpin) Thu 29 Jun 06 10:38
What Gail said! And Sing Thing! I had seen that mentioned somewhere else but with no explanation. So I conjured up a scenario in my head and dang if it ain't pretty close. I might just get motivated to have one at our house.
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permalink #255 of 771: Ruth Allison (tinydancer) Fri 30 Jun 06 06:37
permalink #255 of 771: Ruth Allison (tinydancer) Fri 30 Jun 06 06:37
Is being on the road good therapy right now, or not? How is it playing songs and singing lyrics that you associate with the people you recently lost?
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permalink #256 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Fri 30 Jun 06 07:39
permalink #256 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Fri 30 Jun 06 07:39
Speaking of lyrics that directly address other people, I woke up this morning with "Sovereign Soul" in my head. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about that song -- its genesis, what you were trying to do with it, either musically or lyrically. It's one of my favorites of yours -- when I made a couple of CDs of music for my son's wedding, it was one that I included.
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permalink #257 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Jun 06 09:41
permalink #257 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Jun 06 09:41
Funny thing about "Sovereign Soul." I sat down just before my wedding to write a song - for Rita and our love, I expected - and that fierce libertarian anthem emerged. What the fock? Fortunately, Rita was not offended - although one of our dear friends found it alarming. The lyrics: Sovereign Soul David Gans I'm a sovereign soul And my freedom is something I mean to enjoy I'm a sovereign soul My time and attention are mine to deploy I'm a sovereign soul And I was not created by anyone's God So I won't go inferno for breaking his laws I'm a sovereign soul And I speak for myself and I do as I please And I care for my neighbor come famine or freeze I'm a sovereign soul I'm a sovereign soul I know who my friends are and what's worth the time And I won't kiss your ass unless you're kissing mine I'm a sovereign soul I thought I was dead but I came back to life I'm sticking with this world and taking a wife She's a sovereign soul I'm a sovereign soul We are sovereign souls I'm a sovereign soul And I do what I can to make sense of it all And I keep myself ready to answer the call I'm a sovereign soul And I own my own words and I think for myself And there's more to this life than creation of wealth I'm a sovereign soul And I honor my word and I pay off my debts And I tell you my story so I don't forget I'm a sovereign soul We are sovereign souls You are a sovereign soul What was I trying to do with it, musically or lyrically? Hard to say, since my intention at that moment was to write something else entirely. I think it's a powerful statement, but for some reason it hasn't been as prominently featured in my shows as I would have expected. Part of the reason for that, I think, is that it needs a more elaborate musical setting than I am able to give it on my own. I've got a picture in my head of mariachi horns playing a counterpoint to the melody; if I had a budget I'd hire a Mexican band to record it with me. I think it expresses my philosophy well, and it is thematically consistent with my recent work. It's taken me years to feel that I have standing to do this sort of preaching, but I think there is a coherent world view emerging in my work. I strive to make strong but non-confrontational statements.
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permalink #258 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Jun 06 09:42
permalink #258 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Jun 06 09:42
Oops, I sent that too soon. By that, I mean: in the grand tradition of sensitive new-age guys and all that shit, I am making "I" statements rather than "you" statements.
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permalink #259 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Jun 06 09:50
permalink #259 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Jun 06 09:50
And to answer Ruth's question: All performing is therapeutic, all the time!
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permalink #260 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Fri 30 Jun 06 09:54
permalink #260 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Fri 30 Jun 06 09:54
Slippage in answer to Ruth's question ... The thing that resonates for me in the song -- and the reason I sent it to my son when he got married -- is, in one sense, the obvious: I'm sticking with this world and taking a wife She's a sovereign soul I'm a sovereign soul We are sovereign souls But then, I think that "fierce libertarian" streak of the song is wholly appropriate for embarking on a marriage in which two individuals remain true to themselves while also acknowledging, respecting, and reinforcing the other's "sovereign soul." I think I can see how a friend would be alarmed, but it has always seemed to me to be right on target as a marriage song. I've never thought of mariachi horns, though!
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permalink #261 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Jun 06 10:21
permalink #261 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Jun 06 10:21
Thanks, Gary. You get it! Our wedding vows include the phrase "guardian of each other's solitude."
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permalink #262 of 771: No hablo Greenspaņol (sd) Fri 30 Jun 06 14:13
permalink #262 of 771: No hablo Greenspaņol (sd) Fri 30 Jun 06 14:13
another aye for this one. it is one of the songs that set you apart from the pack. the music doesn't vie for position with what you're saying but it is powerful in a supportive way. i can't imagine anyone else setting different words to that tune. there's a terrific version on the Solo Acoustic CD.
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permalink #263 of 771: FROM JOHN ADAMS (davadam) Sat 1 Jul 06 07:59
permalink #263 of 771: FROM JOHN ADAMS (davadam) Sat 1 Jul 06 07:59
John Adams writes: David, I'd like to turn Peter's question in #249 around and ask how being associated with the Dead has affected your relationship with other music lovers who are not big fans of the Dead, either Dead-bashers (the old me, who still drops by my house from time to time) or those to whom the Dead is just another band (the newer me, who gets along better with my wife, who spent a few months following them around and didn't care so much for the old me). And a note for Sharon in reference to #243: When I saw Zevon in the summer of '94 and early in '96, he was using what sounded to me like a single loop, probably controlled both by his soundman and by the switch I saw him stomp, to run rhythm behind his lead.
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permalink #264 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sat 1 Jul 06 18:07
permalink #264 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sat 1 Jul 06 18:07
> how being associated with the Dead has affected your relationship with > other music lovers who are not big fans of the Dead It's hard to know, but I've often felt that people who don't care for the Dead are dismissing me without hearing me because they assume they won't care for me, either.
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permalink #265 of 771: uber-muso hipster hyperbole (pjm) Sat 1 Jul 06 19:09
permalink #265 of 771: uber-muso hipster hyperbole (pjm) Sat 1 Jul 06 19:09
I am not much of a a Dead fan. Lately, though, as I poke deeper into the obscure corners of folk, roots music, and country rock, I get what they were doing a little better. I had a pretty good idea of your association with them going in and it had no influence on my decision to pursue an interest in your music. I don't know if I have this right but I think there was a quote from one of the band members in the liner notes for the Persuasions album that said something like, "Maybe someone will come along one of these days who will do this music justice." Something like that. I think you do their music great justice. Can you give us some impressions of the some of the bands that cover and/or mimic the Dead's style? Who does them justice, who's just along for the ride, maybe even some bands that are characterized as Dead-like when they are really doing their own thing?
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permalink #266 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 2 Jul 06 07:03
permalink #266 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 2 Jul 06 07:03
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permalink #267 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 2 Jul 06 07:22
permalink #267 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 2 Jul 06 07:22
Peter, that is a great multi-part question, and I'm going to take some time to answer it thoroughly. But not right now, because I am on my way to a music festival where the Grateful Dead are the principal inspiration. Headlining is Dark Star Orchestra ( www.darkstarorchestra.net ) - the premier Grateful Dead tribute band in the country. DSO take a studious approach, replaying set lists from GD history and replicating (but not note for note, which would be impossible) the atmosphere and musical setting of the era. Their players are very good at doing this, which some consider to be cheap and imitative but which I know to be quite a challenge. For one thing, I pick the handful of Grateful Dead songs that work for me - that tell my story, as noted earlier, and of course the ones that suit my musical abilities. DSO has to learn all the songs from the years they are committed to covering (post-Pigpen: 1971-1995), including the difficult ones and the lame ones. They pay careful attention to the instruments, amplifiers, stylistic evolution, tempos, etc. of the band through time. It's not something I am interested in doing, but I very musch appreciate the work they put into it and I know from sharing stages with them they they do this because they really love the music and get great pleasure from playing it. And there is an audience for it. Also on today's bill are the Zen Tricksters, who began as a Dead cover band more than 20 years ago but have a voice of their own and a fine book of original songs. Jeff Mattson can evoke Jerry's playing brilliantly, but he also sounds like himself. The Tricksters have struggled with the mantle of their Dead association - facing an audience that tends to want more Dead than they'd care to deliver. Last year we shared a gig at Mystic Hot Springs (in Monroe, Utah). our host at Mystic, Mike Ginsberg, does a multi-camera video shoot of every gig, and likes to sell the results if all agree they're worthwhile. It's much easier to do that if you don't have to pay sync licenses to outside publishers, so the Tricksters played a full set of original material that just knocked me out. Also last year, the Tricksters bassist, Klyph Black (the spelling is a hold- over from his heavy-metal days :^), and I put together a short but wonderful tour that we called Guilty Pleasures, collaborating with three other musicians who speak that GD language but also have our own things to say. The songbook for that band was mmostly original material, with a handful of GD songs and other covers. At its best, the Grateful Dead connection gives us a starting point for our own new dialogue - a framework for improvisations, in precisely the same way jazz, standards, and dixieland do for players in other genres. David Crosby referred to the GD as "electronic dixieland," and I think that is quite apt.
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permalink #268 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 2 Jul 06 07:33
permalink #268 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 2 Jul 06 07:33
There aren't very many bands doing what the Grateful Dead did at their best: creating complex musical structures spontaneously. Most improvisational music, in all genres, tends to consist of the band playing the head of the song and then soloists taking turns, with the other musicians supporting and interacting to some degree. When the GD groupmind was in full flower, they'd go to truly uncharted spaces and build magnificent compositions on the fly. It's hard to do, and my experience as a player over the last 35 years has shown me that the true nature of that magic is not comprehended by as many GD-inspired players as I had expected, or hoped. It is meant to be colelctive, spontaneous composition by profoundly sympathetic players - a very difficult bond to achieve and maintain. Bill Graham fanously said "The Grateful Dead aren't the best at what they do - they're the only ones who do what they do." All who are inspired by that music can take a piece or two from the Dead, but there are too many factors that depended on the specific people involved, and the specific time in which it was created, for it to be repeated. I hunger for the opportunity to build those cathedrals in the air, but even when I find myself in the company of like-minded players it's very hard to pull off. obviously in my solo show I can't even begin to approach that sort of achievemeent, but I am able to improvise brand new music in collaboration with my looping tools (which aren't at all good at listening and adjusting, which is an essential part of the deal). What I take from the GD is Jerry Garcia's appreciation of a good song - original or otherwise; a sense of narrative, both in the individual song and in the structuring of a show; a love of ballads; a striving for emotional revelation and honesty; a willingness to go deep and dark in service of the story; and an openness to the moment we're sharing, wherever we are.
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permalink #269 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 2 Jul 06 07:34
permalink #269 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 2 Jul 06 07:34
More later. I gotta go to the festival. By the way: www.zentricksters.com And today's festival is at www.nlqp.com - rural Ohio, an hour east of Cleveland. It continues through tomorrow.
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permalink #270 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Sun 2 Jul 06 08:39
permalink #270 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Sun 2 Jul 06 08:39
Enjoy the festival, David!
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permalink #271 of 771: FROM JOHN ADAMS (davadam) Sun 2 Jul 06 10:18
permalink #271 of 771: FROM JOHN ADAMS (davadam) Sun 2 Jul 06 10:18
John Adams writes: David, I get what you're saying in #264 so far as your role as a musician, and I have an idea what it's like for you as a writer, but I'm curious what the effect has been in your non-professional musical life, as just another music lover among other music lovers.
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permalink #272 of 771: Kindness does not require an infrastructure (chrys) Sun 2 Jul 06 12:00
permalink #272 of 771: Kindness does not require an infrastructure (chrys) Sun 2 Jul 06 12:00
Can you imagine just stumbling on this interview now? This is one of those moments when I want to subscribe to the hardcopy version of the Well.
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permalink #273 of 771: Adam Perry (adamice9) Mon 3 Jul 06 01:08
permalink #273 of 771: Adam Perry (adamice9) Mon 3 Jul 06 01:08
I just did stumble on this conversation...pretty interesting. My favorite band that is/was "characterized as Grateful Dead-like but was in fact doing their own thing" is/was Phish. Many of the songs they actually played had a lot more in common with Frank Zappa and others than the Grateful Dead, but instead of "covering" the music of the Grateful Dead they instead "covered" the entire Grateful Dead ethos, in terms of their approach to improvisation, the structure of their concerts, and their business method. I'm more impressed by bands that choose to take what they love about the Grateful Dead and make something new out of it, rather than playing Grateful Dead songs as their tribute to the Grateful Dead...but that can be enjoyable too. Zen Tricksters are great...and Dark Star Orchestra...they're too "Ripley's Believe it Or Not" for me, but they are AMAZING at what they do, i.e. imitating the Grateful Dead as close as possible to the real thing, down to covering entire Dead shows and having a singer/guitarist who looks, sounds, and moves just like Bob Weir. But anyway, I think David does a great job of writing songs that are inspired by a part or parts of what he loves about the Grateful Dead, rather than trying to write songs that sound like the Dead, or trying to go out and play a set of Dead songs every night. Then again, those songs are truly fun and exciting to interpret...so once in a while, why not?
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permalink #274 of 771: Ruth Allison (tinydancer) Mon 3 Jul 06 04:24
permalink #274 of 771: Ruth Allison (tinydancer) Mon 3 Jul 06 04:24
How do you write your setlists? i.e. what goes into deciding what you want to play on a given night?
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permalink #275 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Mon 3 Jul 06 15:30
permalink #275 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Mon 3 Jul 06 15:30
Lots of questions here ... I have another, but I'll hold it until tomorrow or so, after David has had a chance to address those that have been posed during his travels.
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