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permalink #226 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Tue 27 Jun 06 09:56
permalink #226 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Tue 27 Jun 06 09:56
There is an interview with David that readers here may be interested in at the Rex Foundation's "Musicians Spotlight" feature at http://www.rexfoundation.org/musicianspotlight/gans.html The Rex Foundation's home page is at http://www.rexfoundation.org/rex_home.html
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permalink #227 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Tue 27 Jun 06 10:55
permalink #227 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Tue 27 Jun 06 10:55
> As an independent musician yourself, do you see the web changing that equa- > tion at all? The web is changing the nature of music marketing, but of course it intro- duces a whole new set of problems. The playing field is leveled to a great extent, but now the issue is how to raise your profile above the horizon. For example, everyone is promoting their music on MySpace. Im there, but I haven't the faintest idea what I'm supposed to do there. I recently upgraded and redesigned my own web site, www.dgans.com, and now I've got tons of music online for free as well as text, photos, etc. My electronic press kit is there, and links to dozens of press clips. So it's a great promotional vehicle - IF I can drive traffic to the site.
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permalink #228 of 771: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Tue 27 Jun 06 14:07
permalink #228 of 771: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Tue 27 Jun 06 14:07
That's the magic if-- --- Your press materials online are good-- but a targeted marketing campaign to get your materials in the right bookers hands is better. I have a question which I'm not sure has been asked, David. (And may raise a few shitstorms) You were (and still are) associated with the Grateful Dead as a historian, journalist, radio personality, and general proponent. Do you feel that association has been helping you or hindering you in your work as a musician? (and naturally it could be both)
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permalink #229 of 771: Angie Coiro (coiro) Tue 27 Jun 06 14:50
permalink #229 of 771: Angie Coiro (coiro) Tue 27 Jun 06 14:50
Hmmm. Duck and cover? Or pull up a lawnchair? I think I'll duck under my lawnchair.
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permalink #230 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Tue 27 Jun 06 14:53
permalink #230 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Tue 27 Jun 06 14:53
It's a good and appropriate question, it seems to me, and I've talked with David enough about it to know that the answer is that it's both. But I'll let David elaborate as he sees fit! No need to duck under that lawnchair, Angie!
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permalink #231 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Tue 27 Jun 06 18:15
permalink #231 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Tue 27 Jun 06 18:15
I don't know what shitstorms you're expecting to raise here, Adam. It's a perfectly reasonable question. For the most part, I think it's been a hindrance. So many people have such strong negative opinions about the Grateful Dead that I often feel I'm being dismissed before a note of music has been heard.
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permalink #232 of 771: Gary Lambert (almanac) Tue 27 Jun 06 18:32
permalink #232 of 771: Gary Lambert (almanac) Tue 27 Jun 06 18:32
And it could, I'd imagine, even be a mixed blessing with those who have a *positive* opinion of the GD... some of them might expect (or want) your music to be more "Deadcentric" than it is, and might be disinclined to give your original material a fair hearing. OTOH, the GD association and media profile does afford a degree of name recognition not available to many singer-songwriters trying to get their work before the public. I'm sure you're not about to turn down gigs that might in part result from that recognition, and it probably hasn't hurt you on the jamband and festival circuit (even though I don't think that's your ideal target audience). It's a difficult juggling act, and I admire the grace and tenacity with which you're handling it.
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permalink #233 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Tue 27 Jun 06 21:52
permalink #233 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Tue 27 Jun 06 21:52
Thanks, Gary. I do, on occasion, wrestle with the advisability of taking certain gigs. And fortunately, I've been doing this long enough to have developed an identity of my own apart from the GFD. There are even a few fans here and there who know me only as a musician.
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permalink #234 of 771: Gary Lambert (almanac) Tue 27 Jun 06 23:00
permalink #234 of 771: Gary Lambert (almanac) Tue 27 Jun 06 23:00
That's very good news -- and I'm quite certain their numbers will continue to grow.
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permalink #235 of 771: No hablo Greenspaņol (sd) Wed 28 Jun 06 03:34
permalink #235 of 771: No hablo Greenspaņol (sd) Wed 28 Jun 06 03:34
where puking never happens! where lilacs once in the dooryard bloomed where intellect goes to dance what we haven't talked about is that you're a heck of a good guy. and you put yourself out there travelling all over the place, developing relationships with local audiences and with wonderful musicians who love working with you. it may be hard to rise above the fray on my space but you do a terrific job of showing folks what a sincere working musician can accomplish on stage and in the world.
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permalink #236 of 771: FROM ROBERT REID (davadam) Wed 28 Jun 06 05:55
permalink #236 of 771: FROM ROBERT REID (davadam) Wed 28 Jun 06 05:55
Robert Reid writes: Hi David, hello all, Apologies for my tardiness, but I have a couple few questions. If they're too late for a long answer, again, I apologize. 1. What was it like for you growing up? What were your parents like? Siblings, aunts, uncles, grandparents? Where were they from? 2. What was your experience with music like when you were a child? Did people in your family play musical instruments? 3. Clarinet?! 4. You describe your college experience quite gingerly. Did you think it was something you didn't want to do before you got there, or did you decide it after having been there a while? 5. What is your favorite Grateful Dead concert memory from 1985? 6. Do you consider the controversy over whether or not you consider your automatic mental association with the Grateful Dead by one-dimensional people to be a help or a hindrance to your career to be a help or a hindrance to your career? Or do you just go, "pfft"? Thanks, Robert ))) --- Robert T. Reid PS: I see question 6 has been somewhat answered already, but I'll let it stand, since it hasn't been asked yet. It's just filler anyway, so it can be safely ignored. . .
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permalink #237 of 771: FROM JOHN ADAMS (davadam) Wed 28 Jun 06 05:55
permalink #237 of 771: FROM JOHN ADAMS (davadam) Wed 28 Jun 06 05:55
John Adams writes: For what it's worth, David, I think that you had the good sense to write a book about the Dead that focuses on their music rather than the traveling freakshow that enveloped them makes those of us like myself who both pay a lot of attention to music and are skeptical about the Dead (to say the least--saw 'em twice and, well, I do keep my eye out for a cheap CD of _Blues for Allah_) +likelier+ to go check you out, were you to play in my neighborhood. That you did a similar book about the Talking Heads is just gravy. A question about looping: The first person I ever saw use it live was Warren Zevon, playing solo twice in the mid-nineties. It was just a short single loop, but it was so cool! Did you catch any of his shows where he used looping? Do you have any thoughts about them?
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permalink #238 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 09:28
permalink #238 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 09:28
I never saw Zevon live, sorry to say. Looping is a cheap and simple technology today - ridiculously so, compared to what Ned Lagin had to go through in 1974 to loop a few seconds of music onstage, as recounted in his interview in the revised edition of "Conversations with the Dead." Ned programmed a PDP-11 "minicomputer," which he had to load from paper tape before every gig if I recall correctly. Thousands of dollars of hardware, homegrown software, and an elaborate setup before every gig. Now I have a $250 stomp box that stores relatively vast amounts of sound, allows overdubbing at the touch of a button, etc.
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permalink #239 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 09:32
permalink #239 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 09:32
John Adams: "Blues for Allah" was remastered with bonus tracks for the boxed set "Beyond Desription," released a couple off years ago by Rhino. The individual discs are being released over time, so if BFA isn't available yet, it will be soon. A damn fine record - a peak of collective creativity. And yes, thank you for your observation that my books concentrate on the music rather than the traveling freak show. I got into this for the music, and over time found myself part of a community with both a strong spiritual component and an unfortunate cultural stigma.
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permalink #240 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 09:50
permalink #240 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 09:50
Robert's questions, in no particular order: My parents put a violin in my hands when I was in grade school, but it was soon replaced with a clarinet. I have very little memory of playing the violin, but I loved the clarinet; I played in school bands and orchestras until my sophomore year in high school, and I also marched and played in the Reseda Junior Youth Band for a year or two. I was playing Beatle songs on the clarinet in 1969 until my brother taught me a few chords on his guitar. That was it for me and the clarinet. In retrospect, I wish I had stuck with it; I sometimes fantasize about learning the oboe (I love the sound of the double reeds), or maybe saxophone. My maternal grandmother was a concert violinist of some achievement. Neither of my parents played. My mother and one of her sisters were accomplished visual artists, and of the eight cousins on that side of the family, seven of us are involved in media and/or music making. I am descended from four lines of Eurpoean Jews. My family name comes from Bohemia; my paternal grandmother was born in Canada of Russian parents; my maternal grandfather was born in England of Polish parents, and my maternal grandmother was born in Kiev and raised in Paris. My mother was born in Lon- don and married my Brooklyn-born father in London during the war, when both were 19. My parents lived in New York after WWII, then drove across the country and started their family in Los Angeles. I am the middle of three (my brother Roger is two years older; my sister Marsha is two years younger). We lived in the San Fernando Valley until 1966, when we moved to the San Francisco Bay Area. I've lived in San Mateo, San Jose, and (for the last 32 years) Oak- land. Although my background is Jewish, I have never been to shul and only know the Yiddish I heard spoken around the house. My parents practiced no religion; I was a spiritual bblank slate until I started exploring on my own. I'm still pretty ignorant of religion, but respectful of spirituality and resistant to dogma.
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permalink #241 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 09:57
permalink #241 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 09:57
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permalink #242 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 10:04
permalink #242 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 10:04
I was 16 when I graduated from high school. I attended San Jose State College for two years and change, mostly in a program called Tutorials that was far too unstructured for an amorphous character such as myself. I wasn't ready for college - I wanted to learn, but I had no discipliine and very little motivation. I took a few "real" classes, such as linguistics and history of film, but mostly I played my guitar and acted out my personal dramas. I finally gave up halfway through my "junior" year and moved to Oakland, where I played music and did some pasteup and photography to scratch out a living for a couple of years. I got a job at BASS Tickets, which led to a couple of years of traveling around setting up new operations. During the BASS years, I was also freelancing w/ BAM, a music magazine here in northern California. When the ticket-geek job ended, I had the option of looking for another computer job, or taking my stack of tearsheets and looking for more work in journalism. From 1980 until 1986, i was a contributor to RECORD magazine, eventually rising to Senior Editor (West Coast). I also worked for Mix Publications, first as an editor of MI (for working musicians), and then (after that magazine folded) as Music Editor of MIX, the Recording Industry Magazine. I also freelanced to other publications, including Musician, Recording Engineer/Producer, and others. Once I got into radio, I gave up writing for the most part. I always had a problem with print deadlines anyway. I augmented my writing income with photography. I mostly gave that up when I got into radio; I got a digital camera a few years ago, and now I'm way into photography as a hobby. ( see http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans )
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permalink #243 of 771: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Wed 28 Jun 06 11:08
permalink #243 of 771: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Wed 28 Jun 06 11:08
I saw Zevon live lots of times but I don't remember him doing looping. Now, how does that relate to the Mellotron?
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permalink #244 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 11:09
permalink #244 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 11:09
The Mellotron was an anslog device, like an organ but each key played back a recorded sound.
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permalink #245 of 771: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Wed 28 Jun 06 12:21
permalink #245 of 771: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Wed 28 Jun 06 12:21
Didn't want to raise a shitstorm, and glad that it didn't. I agree with the person above who suggested that it was a difficult tightwire that you are walking well. I think that one of the hardest things is to deal with people's expectations of you-- because you are so associated with the Dead, it would be easy for people to expect you to be more like them. I like that you've forged your own identity (not forged as in counterfeited, but forged as in constructed)
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permalink #246 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 13:07
permalink #246 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 13:07
I always had my own identity. There were long stretches of time when I really wanted a job in the Grateful Dead world; in retrospect, having been kept at arm's length by the organization, and fucked with by the various yard dogs on their perimeter, was the best possible thing for me. I was never willing to debase myself or surrender my identity to the big dysfunctional organism.
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permalink #247 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 13:23
permalink #247 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 13:23
Robert has one more question pending, re memories of 1985 Grateful Dead shows. There were a lot of shwos int he Bay Area that year - Henry J Kaiser, Frost Amphitheater, the Greek, Berkeley Community Theater, and the New Year's run at the Oakland Coliseum. I saw most of 'em. It was a tough time, in some respects. There was a lot of drug use, both onstage and in the audience, and Jerry's voice sounded awful much of the time. The 20th anniversary brought a great deal of press coverage, and in its wake a great growth in the size of the audience. I started contributing to the KFOG Deadhead Hour early in 1985, just before "Playing in the Band" was published. So it was the beginning of my professional relationship with the Grateful Dead. I missed one of the Greek shows because I was on deadline with the Talking Heads book. I'd say the Frost shows in April - which is when I had freshly- minted copies of "playing in the Band" in my mitts - were the highlight of the year for me.
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permalink #248 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Wed 28 Jun 06 13:26
permalink #248 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Wed 28 Jun 06 13:26
You've talked quite a bit about your current touring, and some about your earliest years as a fledgling clarinet player (I was one too!). But I'd like to hear something about when you started out as a performer. What memories do you have of your first times taking the stage in any kind of serious way? Were you part of a band? A solo performer? How did it develop?
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permalink #249 of 771: uber-muso hipster hyperbole (pjm) Wed 28 Jun 06 13:54
permalink #249 of 771: uber-muso hipster hyperbole (pjm) Wed 28 Jun 06 13:54
I played clarinet for three years. I also wish I had kept at it. I told an acquaintance of mine, Antonio, about this discussion. He asked me to say hi. He said you would know him from the wharf rat table. You've mentioned some highs and lows in relation to the GD on a professional level. How do you feel about the band/s from a fan perspective, past and present? How do you relate with other Dead fans? Has your relationship with other Dead fans changed over time?
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permalink #250 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 14:40
permalink #250 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Jun 06 14:40
if it's the Antonio I'm thinking of, he came to both the Nomad and the Grand Lake Farmers' Market last weekend. Tell him hi back, please. I'll have to give that Grateful Dead question some thought, Peter. My relationship with the Dead and the Deadheads is a complicated one, and it has changed a lot over the years. Gary's question about my early performing days is easier: my first "professional" gig was at my high school's grad night party at Frontier Village in San Jose. My friend Craig Lueck and I played in the "saloon" while The Joy of Cooking played outside. I remember very littlle about the gig, other than watching the Joy of Cooking during our break and being really impressed with the bass player. I played the "steak and lobster circuit" for a coouple of years, 1971-1972, doing lots of Elton John, Cat Stevens, CSN, etc. In November of 1972, at a fondue joint in Fremont, the owner of the restaurant brought in a woman who was going to play there in a few days and had never been onstage before, and would it be okay if she sang a song or two during my break so she could get a feel for it? Of course, sez I. We fell in love. She was several years older than me, recently divorced. We wound up performing together on the north bay and east bay legs of the steak and lobster circuit, and we also had a semi-regular gig in the Officers' Club at Mare Island. My most salient memory of the latter gig was a Marine captain looking at my beautiful girlfriend, glaring at me, and saying, "I'll take ten pounds of hair off o' you and make a man out of you!" By late '73, I think, I was playing in a band called Sunrise with a grooup of vocal majors from Hayward State. Lots of Loggins and Messina, etc., and they also did quite a few of my original songs. Once I get my computer issues sorted out, I'll post a few examples (painful as it is to hear them again) of these early incarnations.
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