Matt Taibi offers five good points to focus on: <http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/my-advice-to-the-occupy-wall- street-protesters-20111012>
Thank you for the report and photos, Jane!
And thanks for the Taibbi article, David.
Is there any interest in supplying large posters of Jesus throwing the money changers out of the temple to the OWS protesters?
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Thanks, Jon. I think one thing people who are not able to camp out can do is to occupy the media and the web with the deep questions of the economy and where we are going nationally and globally... so I like seeing other community-driven sites I visit bringing information and visibility to bear. This blog post from Flickr includes maps created by users tagging their photos, so that you can click and see occupation photos from various places, and also wee where they are clustered on the map. As they note the image is pulled from a map you can generate that is dynamic and cumulative, so it will be interesting to watch over time. Pass it along. <http://blog.flickr.net/en/2011/10/19/occupy-movement-on-the-flickr-map/> Shortened: http://tinyurl.com/occu-map
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permalink #32 of 92: descend into a fractal hell of meta-truthiness (jmcarlin) Thu 20 Oct 11 10:41
permalink #32 of 92: descend into a fractal hell of meta-truthiness (jmcarlin) Thu 20 Oct 11 10:41
There have been some funny cartoons and images I've seen. Here are a few: Occupy Mordor: <https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fQTIsmDUY3o/TqBK3OHAnsI/AAAAAAAAArE/jw7yTei wBR8/h301/mordor.jpg> http://tinyurl.com/3sjl8u2 A cartoon: http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2011/10/14/cantorslowpoke_custom.jpg President Obama's soliciting campaign cash from Wall Street: http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2011/10/14/wallstreettrojanhorse_custom.jpg Mr Burns holding up a sign: "I am the 1%. Smithers, release the hounds" <https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/321691_2059205648495_1495 271761_2038091_3502156_n.jpg> http://tinyurl.com/42bmfaf A "Borowitz Report" from Goldman Sachs on how to make money off of OWS: <https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/304150_10150417532990272_ 540655271_10663493_549217310_n.jpg> http://tinyurl.com/42bmfaf (Many of thse came from http://www.trueblueliberty a mostly conservative site of those zotted from Free Republic with a few liberals posting as well to keep the conversation somewhat honest.)
Jane, the heap of plastic with the sign in the middle saying "Comfort Station" at the end says it all, thank you.
Great links, thanks! Naomi Wolf: how I was arrested at Occupy Wall Street Arresting a middle-aged writer in an evening gown for peaceable conduct is a far cry from when America was a free republic <http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/19/naomi-wolf-arre st-occupy-wall-street?newsfeed=true>
Wow.
David Talbot just went down the street with Priscilla (biz dev) and Jason (tech) to the OWS encampment in SF. Priscilla had noted that we had some relevant books about organizing and government abuses that were to be donated someplace else with other general titles, and that the OWS people might have an interest, and want to have a little movement library on site. So they packed some up and went out the door. David told us that Howard Zinn's collected essays was a particular favorite when the books were delivered. The big surprise for me is that our thinly-stretched but talented tech team also offered to help get a wifi hot spot going for them.
Yay! I like what you said before about occupying the media, too. I live far from the action, so this is the only way I can participate.
Great Naomi Wolf piece. The woman who took me to OWS wanted to show me the library--they have a library, a kitchen (no cooking allowed), the "comfort station" (supllies, as it turns out). But everything was under tarps at that point...
Local Evolver group in Baltimore, MD created their own currency, used by many local businesses, and offer great advice for "Break up with your Bank". Check them out: http://baltimoregreencurrency.org/
The obvious parallel is the anti-war movement of the 60's and early 70's. Having been in the middle of things during the 60's and now looking from the sidelines today I keep seeing the one through the lense of the other and vice verse. The game changer, of course, is the internet with the ability to organize smart mobs and communicate almost instantaneously. Along with that but more important, I think, is the loss of social control of the establishment media over definitions and perceptions. I've been reading the news analysis which currently is focusing on when the OWS movement will break into violence. Maybe they are channel surfing on events in Greece and Italy too much. The only violence I see here is coming from the police. Attempts to dirty up OWS fall flat. The charges of dirty lazy hippies, antisemitism, etc all are dismissed easily and go nowhere. In the 60's there was a war and a draft. Now our foreign wars are so compartmentalized as to be almost completely off the radar. Back then we also had the "red peril." Jihadists have been playing the role of "Other" for ten years now, but can't even come close to the reactions to the communists in gearing up the country economically and politically. We jail all the blacks through the War on Drugs; let cheap credit hook most families; skew all benefits to the very rich; and take off the regulatory controls over the financial system. Again, things are so compartmentalized if you read the established news media you could have almost missed the point. OWS emerged to show everyone that there is no more "Other." It is just ourselves.
I think the violence in Greece and Italy is also in response to what I consider rather insane "austerity" plans that basically sell the gov't to the private sector for pennies on the dollar.
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permalink #42 of 92: brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Fri 21 Oct 11 18:25
permalink #42 of 92: brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Fri 21 Oct 11 18:25
i was wondering when the dean of american music would show up http://j.mp/nbyTsI god bless pete seeger
Must be happening right now!!!! So great!
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permalink #44 of 92: From Sara Schier-Hanson (captward) Sat 22 Oct 11 00:55
permalink #44 of 92: From Sara Schier-Hanson (captward) Sat 22 Oct 11 00:55
While perhaps identifying oneself as among the 99% is a starting point, it must be remembered with all humility that this 99% covers a wide economic swath. Those at the bottom don't own cameras, have never had a photo taken of them, have no computers, many cannot read, have no college debt because they never finished school, and can't make rent let alone a mortgage payment. Their numbers are far more than 1%. I am not sure if they are represented among those who are occupying spaces of protest. If the statistic is true that one in four children in this country lives in poverty, those in the bottom of the 99% are pretty young and they likely aren't out there. If those living in public spaces under tarps cause change for the good of all and the 1% is included in this "all" because great economic disparity harms everyone, well and good. Then my question becomes if as a nation these tarp dwellers are heard then why not the perpetual homeless? Would Naomi Wolf think of visiting their spaces in an evening gown as a sign of solidarity that our nation has had a failed housing policy since the 1940s and a horrific mental health policy since the 1970s? We live in a system even if it is highly compartmentalized and systemic change will require change of all of us. The conversation needed to begin so those OWSers have my applause, but the reflection has to go very deep. I will leave my comment at that because it is late. I have not looked at all the posted links in this discussion.
Charles Blow today: Thursday night I spoke to a young woman in Brooklyn who was having dinner and planning the next day. Between a morning boot camp workout at the local Y.M.C.A. and an evening meeting with friends for drinks, she was planning her first trek to Zuccotti Park to take part in the Occupy Wall Street protests. Why? I asked. What specifically are you protesting? I was curious. I hoped that shed respond with some variation of the umbrella arguments about income inequality, the evils of corporate greed and corruption or removing corporate money from politics. She didnt. I dont know. Its just cool, she said. She went on to tell me about how she felt that this was a movement of people with whom she felt some kinship, banding together and making history, and that she wanted to be a part of that in the same way that people from previous generations were part of the civil rights, womens liberation and antiwar movements. She hinted at inequality but never quite got there. Yet she was passionately convinced that she must get involved. <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/opinion/blow-occupy-apalooza-strikes-a-chord .html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha212> He finds this enormously gratifying, but I'm not as happy with it. When going to the park becomes a fashion statement -- which is what I get from the woman's remarks -- there's a danger that the relegation of the event to chic will poison the message to those who most need to hear it. What'd be "cool," Charles, would be if she got the message. But I wonder.
But that was also the case with the Vietnam war protests - many people were there because people were there, it was a place to be seen. That didn't mean that there was no substance, or that people weren't also starting to get the message, even though that might not've been their motivation for being there. My bigger concern is that Occupy, as a headless organization, will form factions and become fragmented. I hear rumors that's already happening. Another concern is that, like the Tea Party, it'll be coopted and astroturfed by established organizations that are about money and power. I don't think that's happening, but it's a risk. Here's a piece about Moveon's attempt to co-opt OWS after initially dismissing it: http://www.truth-out.org/moveonorg-and-friends-attempt-co-opt-occupy-wall-stre et-movement/1318259708 Doug Rushkoff and Venessa Miemis organized a gathering called Contact Summit, held October 20, focused on solutions and projects about using the Internet more effectively, as Doug says, " to promote better ways of living, doing commerce, educating, making art, doing spirituality." One popular project proposed at the event was a framework for an online General Assembly. They were wanting to take on the difficult task of building consensus online. It's difficult to measure whether you have attention, let alone consensus. When we decided to start this topic, I thought we might experiment with the concept of an online General Assembly in this context. The New York OWS General Assembly is "where all the committees come and discuss their thoughts and needs. It is open to all who want to attend, and anyone can speak. And while there is no named leader, some of the members do routinely moderate the general assembly meetings. [Various volunteers] update the minutes from every meeting, along with other need-to-know information for organizers. Agreement on issues is reached using the consensus decision-making process." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#New_York_City_General_Assembly ) We don't really have committees and I'm not sure what we would vote on, though. Maybe it would make more sense to discuss how an online version of the General Assembly would work. (I've been thinking about this problem of scaling headless decision-making and figuring out how to do it online for a long time - it's a daunting problem).
The danger of OWS being taken over as an astroturf organization is considerably lessened by the limited supply of plutocrats who are willing to fund organizations which exist to attack plutocrats. ;-) Those few plutocrats who sympathize with the goals of OWS (e.g. Soros) seem unlikely to harbor ambitions to become puppet masters. OTOH, the organizational issues you talk about are daunting.
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permalink #48 of 92: those Andropovian bongs (rik) Sat 22 Oct 11 09:23
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What has changed, is that the conversations we've been having in private, feeling alone, and wondering why the fuck people didn't wake up and look around, is now public. The press, which has looked away for the past 30 years, is now being force to ask us our opinions. And I think it may actually be a positive that they're having to dig for it.
Yeah, that's a huge (and positive) change. Growing economic injustice and inequality has been something discussed only in fringe media for the last 30 years. Now it's on the radar screen - probably for a long time to come.
I was very pleased to happen upon Occupy Clematis Street in downtown West Palm Beach, FL today. Only about 100 people or so, but vocal and in a very visible place. They were chanting, "We Are the 99 PErcent....and so are YOU!" Holding signs and crossing the street multiple times to stop traffic and make people look! I caught some of it on video, and I'll post the link as soon as Facebook is done uploading. I think trying to come up with some agreed upon ideas amongst us is a good place to start. Not that anyone with any power would listen to a bunch of WELL-perns pontificating, but I prefer being a solution-finder to being a complainer and spectator. So here goes: 1. There are human rights and there are business obligations and opportunities. Let's not confuse the two entities as being the same or having equal rights, obligations or opportunities. 2. Failure is acceptable and inevitable and should NOT be avoided for anyone or any business entity. We learn from failures. We improve upon ideas due to failures. ALL business entities MUST be allowed, even encouraged, to fail when failure is the only place to go. The difficulties endured due to the failure will only make future endeavors more successful. 3. Labor is a huge resource and commodity. We must begin to treat our labor force as the driving forces behind any successful endeavor and any successful individual. Laborers must insist upon being compensated not only for the value of the job done, but also for the value of contributing to the financial success of business owners/executives. No one becomes mega-rich in a vacuum. 4. Everything costs something. This idea should extend to the privilege and opportunity to make a boatload of money. Go right ahead and make fortune upon fortune. But to earn that money in America, you have to pay taxes - that's the price of wealth. Okay, that's my beginning. Anyone else?
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