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permalink #52 of 92: those Andropovian bongs (rik) Sat 22 Oct 11 12:28
permalink #52 of 92: those Andropovian bongs (rik) Sat 22 Oct 11 12:28
I like your four points, Lisa. Particularly #4. An employer should not be able to bind an employee to give up most of their day without paying them a living wage. A point that needs to be a big part of the conversation.
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permalink #53 of 92: From Sara Schier-Hanson (captward) Sat 22 Oct 11 13:39
permalink #53 of 92: From Sara Schier-Hanson (captward) Sat 22 Oct 11 13:39
Perhaps the best wisdom to exercise to prevent fragmentation of the OWS activity is not to try to see it through any lens including the hippie movement. I would suspect, as I was only seven in 1968, that there were many attempts to "frame" the hippie movement and that these attempts to view it were resoundingly rejected. I believe that there has been music pulsing in this country for some time that has been voicing anger about economic disparity and inequality and I think one voice has been rap. The best thing for the survival of the conversation is to help it remain a gathering because one can't turn a gathering into a commodity. I think the danger of the press domesticating a protest "astroturfing it" is not today's danger. The way this country tames anything anymore is to make a commodity out of it giving us something to buy and sell. Sure there are going to be people like the woman mentioned who is going like a consumer to acquire-to get in on the action, but if the gathering is a gathering then there will be real conversation and she will either walk happily away emptyhanded and ready to foster change or she will look for a way to sell the story of her experience.
Speaking as someone a bit older than you, who was arguably a young hippie (I was in High School, on the one hand, but on the other we went skinny dipping with our teachers), I think the "hippie" frame is utterly irrelevant to OWS. Young people in 2011 are almost as distant from hippies as we were from Flappers. And yeah, at the time, older people who still remembered occasionally drew parallels between us and the "wild youth" of the 1920s, but it didn't really mean much and it didn't carry any force.
Almost a good analogy. My mom was born in '32 and the Flapper ethos apparently was still fashionable. No, these kids aren't hippies. They are the first generation in the U.S. to get a quality education and have nothing supportable to do with it. Some of them have grandparents who were possibly hippies though. Which is also overwhelmingly the case in places like Egypt and Lebanon. Maybe Israel too. And they communicate. The upheaval in Egypt was led by a bunch of college grads and students who know how to communicate.
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permalink #56 of 92: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sat 22 Oct 11 18:15
permalink #56 of 92: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sat 22 Oct 11 18:15
If we start hearing about Democratic politicians "pandering" to the Occupy movement in order to win votes (like happened with the Tea Party movement for the Republicans) then I'll consider it a win. I have trouble imagining a better-case scenario than that.
George Lakoff on framing the OWS message: <http://www.countercurrents.org/lakoff211011.htm> (Boldly stolen with thanks from David Gans, <tnf>).
That article is full of interesting insight. This part is very interesting: >This movement could be destroyed by negativity, by calls for revenge, by chaos, or by having nothing positive to say. Be positive about all things and state the moral basis of all suggestions. Positive and moral in calling for debt relief. Positive and moral in upholding laws, as they apply to finances. Positive and moral in calling for fairness in acquiring needed revenue. Positive and moral in calling for clean elections. To be effective, your movement must be seen by all of the 99% as positive and moral. To get positive press, you must stress the positive and the moral. > > Remember: The Tea Party sees itself as stressing only individual responsibility. The Occupation Movement is stressing both individual and social responsibility. >
> (Boldly stolen with thanks from David Gans, <tnf>). I got it in the <politics.> conference here.
The 147 Companies that control everything: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-ne twork-that-runs-the-world.html
Are the Naked Guys here? I went by the Occupy SF at the Fed here in San Francisco, the other day, and there a few of them were -- pantsless, heavily tanned, serenely exposed -- I thought to myself how this movement, like those I remember from the 1960s & 70s, was becoming a little diffuse. I've been reading about the ancient Greeks: their internal politics was all about land distribution, and how the imbalances of maldistribution caused perennial troubles for them and inevitable awful revolutions. So when I see charts, now, of the Gini coefficient of US wealth distribution and how that has changed over time -- it has gone steadily up, since the 1960s, indicating that the distance between our rich and our poor has been steadily increasing -- Wikipedia offers some good resources on this -- that worries me. And I think of the old Greeks, Cleisthenes & Peisistratus & Themistocles & their revolutions -- recently maybe of the new Greeks, too. Our Silent Majority needs to protect our Poor, I hope they don't just get reactionary this time. The drama of the Occupy movement is the contrast, between their appearance and what they are saying and the Wall Street & Downtown SF plutocratic environments where they say it. The incomes of some of the passers-by and some of the demonstrators are 100x different: that gap needs lessening -- not closing entirely, maybe, but narrowing.
Another way of looking at it: Time (Oct 31, p. 16) says the average yearly income difference, US top 1% versus the entire group composing The Rest, the 99%, is $1,530,773 vs. $54,792. That's saying the top US 1%, on-average, make 30+ times more than the average for _everybody_ else, not just The Poor. Gated communities and urban warfare, here we come -- Let'em eat cake -- the New Aristos -- Blade Runner. I'm voting Democratic, again, but I'm wondering whether even the Democrats can figure out how to close that wide & widening gap. Trouble's coming, if we don't.
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permalink #63 of 92: brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Tue 25 Oct 11 04:41
permalink #63 of 92: brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Tue 25 Oct 11 04:41
cross-posted from politics: why not start your morning with the occupied wall street journal? http://occupiedmedia.org/
Here's a clip from Oakland that needs to make the MSM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZLyUK0t0vQ
Sheesh.
It made it to MSNBC... <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45030431/ns/us_news-life/>
Thank you for that link to George Lakoff's piece... I also agree that violence will allow the Occupy movement to be dismissed. Non-violence in response to the police--how, given that anyone can enter, can that be preserved? Yet it must be preserved. Occupying the poetry blog-o-sphere, this piece by a former student of mine, with the voices of two more senior poets included in it: http://blog.bestamericanpoetry.com/the_best_american_poetry/2011/10/occupying- providence-with-alfred-corn-and-doug-anderson-by-leslie-mcgrath.html I especially love her sign, suggesting that the 1% "Occupy Empathy."
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permalink #68 of 92: brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Wed 26 Oct 11 12:08
permalink #68 of 92: brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Wed 26 Oct 11 12:08
8 rules for a movement without rules http://pursuitofhappinessyoga.com/2011/10/04/we-occupy-america-the-eight-rules -by-cynthiaboaz/
Indeed, civility is the ne plus ultra of the Occupy movement if it wants to survive and effectuate change. Empathy, too. Nice.
Especially if they are confronting the plutocrats over the control of definitions. Ideal civility is the standard by which everything gets judged. To those of us whose immediate ancestors didn't move very often in "polite" society the assimilation process was gruesome with constant reminders to "mind your manners." Of course the the degree to which the masters of society actually followed the rules themselves varied widely. Form is everything to them. My bugaboo, which I trace to that assimilation process, is when someone uses politeness to be impolite.
Dramatic and interesting on the street broadcast from occupy SF: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sflpov Also -- remarkable info from Google that is being tweeted around as being related to Occupy Oakland: "We received a request from a local law enforcement agency to remove YouTube videos of police brutality, which we did not remove. Separately, we received requests from a different local law enforcement agency for removal of videos allegedly defaming law enforcement officials. We did not comply with those requests, which we have categorized in this Report as defamation requests." It's on their transparency page. I did not know they had a transparency page. <http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/US/?p=2011-06>
I think what we are seeing is something quite new...A global Digital Salon, if you will. Right now the structure is modeled as a leaderless network run by consensus. Committees and subgroups seem to be trying to tap into the 'ideas' - the zeitgeist - of our times, and bring them to the 'whole' for a consensus vote. At the same time, local,resilient communities, to borrow from John Robb and Global Guerillas, are forming to bring action from the ground up. This is a new type of networking structure. It's a global conversation that will take time. And time is one of the few resources the 99% have plenty of; along with easily accessible digital tools and literacies and a rapidly growing Smart Mob of intelligent men and women. So, for the moment, the focus is on the conversations...local groups will determine what actions are appropriate for their communities. Eventually some kind of Declaration of Interdependence will surface -- whether it is Global or national remains to be seen - A Digital Bill of Rights? Already, Occupy America has scheduled a big pow wow in Philadelphia for July 4, 2012. Very fitting. The advantage of remaining leaderless and functioning by consensus is that it prevents the movement from being hijacked by all the various groups running their own agendas. If your e-mail box is like mine, you are getting swamped by everyone trying to marry their ideas to the 'movement', immediately followed by a request for money. Pathetic! Inclusiveness is essential. Let all come to the table. Let the conversation continue. Leaders will emerge in time.
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permalink #73 of 92: brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Thu 27 Oct 11 05:37
permalink #73 of 92: brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Thu 27 Oct 11 05:37
important to note that the report is for the first half of 2011 - can't wait to see the second half :)
One other thought. While Doug Rushkoff and many others are talking about a global raising of consciousness and we make the transition to a digital, globalized world, there may be a tendency to mistake what's occurring as some kind of unified global oneness. What we are going to see over the next 30 years or so is 'fracturization' (is that a word?), not globalization. New paradigms are necessary in every area - political, economic, the commons (air, water, climate, energy,etc.) and this will all be modeled from the ground ups, not the top down. So, while it is great to share, tips, tools, and tricks all across the Web, where it's all going to happen is in our local neighborhoods, towns, and cities. Our focus needs to be on connecting with those physically around us, while digitally using all the networks and tools available as resources.
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