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permalink #101 of 221: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 9 Jan 18 00:30
permalink #101 of 221: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 9 Jan 18 00:30
*Nice housing discussion. Everybody always says that the architecture of two generations ago is beautiful, refined and noble while their own is cheap commercial trash. John Ruskin may have been the pioneer here. He hated cast iron worse than most people hate plastic. *If youre into Internet of Things housing issues, Ive got a Tumblr about that. Its more or less about the future home automation environment, the domestic lived experience of computational spaces, and its extremely dry and technical. It must be the most tediously technical thing Ive ever personally assembled. Its really into the harsh minutiae of stuff like LoRan and Lidar and LiFi. https://www.tumblr.com/blog/wolfliving
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permalink #102 of 221: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 9 Jan 18 00:32
permalink #102 of 221: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 9 Jan 18 00:32
*I used to wonder why authors I admired, whod been so dazzling, wide-scale and inventive in their youth, somehow turned into sententious, pedantic know-it-all geezers, going on and on about devil-in-the-details grit that would make young idealists crazy. Nowadays I understand that process. *I do have a life-hack for that I just go live in places where I dont understand a goddamn thing. That promptly gets rid of the know it all problem, but like a lot of hacks, it doesnt resolve the underlying issue. Because Im still old I have acquired the habits of mind of an older person. Even when tackling some topic or situation entirely new to me, I still want to bog down in the fiddly bits. Thats a metabolic issue, its the way the neural nets have slowly settled inside their bone black-box. *One might construe this as rather sad, but since its part of the human condition, its also quite funny.
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permalink #103 of 221: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 9 Jan 18 00:34
permalink #103 of 221: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 9 Jan 18 00:34
*Still in Ibiza. You could not pay me to go get blisteringly high and obtain some ecstatic release boogying in a night-club here. Having fun, that is to say. No way. *How the DJs get paid in Ibiza, what other local scenes the DJs come from, those topics interest me. What people wear that is novel and different, I notice that. Self-serving memoirs by the aging hippies who own the nightclubs of Ibiza, there I might actually pay some attention. https://pikesibiza.com/blog/read-an-exclusive-extract-from-mr-pikes/
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permalink #104 of 221: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 9 Jan 18 00:46
permalink #104 of 221: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 9 Jan 18 00:46
*Here the Ibiza night-club entrepreneur, who is of course an ultraviolet, globe-hopping hipster of the rankest description, an Australian dude into yachts, party girls and Mercedes staff cars, decides to get himself a house on the island where hes dazzling his customers with laser light-shows and blasting amplifiers. *So of course he has to buy himself some ancient, crumbling, off-the-grid, John Ruskin heap. A literal Spanish farm cottage. The heart wants what it wants, right, but theres something hilarious about such human perversity. The guy gives up his seaside penthouse to do this to himself. If youre on the WELL SoTW to ramble about futurity, but youre secretly thinking, Wow, I really want to live in that 1920s stucco bungalow, cause its so soulful, you would profit by reading this.
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permalink #105 of 221: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 9 Jan 18 00:48
permalink #105 of 221: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 9 Jan 18 00:48
MR PIKES, the Story Behind the Ibiza Legend, Tony Pike Thats when I spotted a 500-year-old finca near San Antonio for sale in a tiny real estate office. Price on application. The property was set in a couple of acres and for sale at six million pesetas (around £40,000 back then). We drove up to see it and found an abandoned house, with an original olive mill and flour mill, but no water or electricity. I had a feeling about it, though. (((Uh-oh.))) I felt the house had an irresistible charm to it, but I wanted to improve the look of it. I could see the potential, not for a hotel but as a fine country-style house for my private life. I still felt full of vitality and ambition, not for money or power but for a new way of living. The thing that hit me was it was so open. Not a case of, if you sit in this space between 2pm and 4pm youll get sun. Sun all the time. The finca was called Can Pep Toniet, which means the property of little Tony. When I found out I was flabbergasted. (((Because his name is Tony Pike, you see. Its an identity issue.))) I paid a deposit. The finca was just not habitable. It had been used to process the local farmers grain and olive crops, but it had not been lived in for 15 years. It was six months before we could move in. Hard, filthy, dangerous work, having to climb down into the stores and clean out centuries of dust and pollen. Caked in shit, and no water to wash with. Upstairs had flooring, but downstairs was still a dirt floor. Señor José Pratz-e-Pratz was the owner and previously his family had lived in it for centuries, the only family that had ever lived there. There was no toilet so I bought the best toilet seat I could find and fixed it on to a pomegranate tree, and dug a big hole. You could sit and shit on that, looking out at the whole of San Antonio. The tree grew too. Natural fertilizer. The finca was so basic. The ceiling was decaying. The compressed rock filled with clay was deteriorating into black dust. It was filthy and dangerous. The roof was made from ash, seaweed and soil. There was no electricity, we lived with oil lamps and a gravity-fed water pump for a year. No electricity meant using an old Singer Treadle sewing machine, and I became quite adept at making curtains and cushions. We couldnt get permissions to change things formally so I just started fixing it myself. . (((etc etc oh my God why, etc)))
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permalink #106 of 221: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 9 Jan 18 04:39
permalink #106 of 221: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 9 Jan 18 04:39
>Housing Standing in front of 10s of thousands of buildings with a clipboard and thinking "what about it?" sort of gets you beyond superficial matters of taste. That's why I was so struck by the fall-off in quality post-1930. For example, I personally dislike the Georgian style of architecture, which I find overly symmetrical and sort of leaden. But that doesn't mean all Georgian buildings are ugly, it just means there are qualities in the style that don't work for me personally. If someone told me that they admired the style for its dignity and sense of solidity I'd have no argument with them. But I just can't see how anyone could stand in front of, say, a post-war split-level Colonial or a 1980s mini-mansion with six different types of windows and think "Wow, what a beautiful piece of architecture." Style is a matter of taste, but bad is just bad.
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permalink #107 of 221: Brian Slesinksy (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 18 05:57
permalink #107 of 221: Brian Slesinksy (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 18 05:57
Via email from Brian Slesinsky: Getting back to the discussion of moral relativism: since leaving Google I've been reading about the Civil War and (skipping ahead) the Civil Rights era. The Civil War era feels pretty ancient, but one thing struck me: morally speaking, the abolitionist's arguments didn't feel foreign at all, what they said just seemed obvious. And the South? Obviously indefensible. But not in an unfamiliar way, no, it just sounded like the usual self-justifying crap. The only surprising part is that before the Civil War it was *expansionist* racist crap; they wanted to spread slavery to as many places as possible. Which pretty much led to the war. I'm suspicious of the whole moral relativism thing because it seems like suffering is ancient, is easily recognizable, and hasn't changed much. At least some people will see it, some of the time. The difference is more about what level of suffering is accepted as normal and whether they think they can or should do anything about it. People live with what they think they have to live with. Later, they may come to wonder how they could have lived that way. Even today, depending on where you go, who you're connected to, and what you're trying to get done, you might have to learn to ignore a whole lot of suffering, for lack of clear answers as to what to do about it. Our ways of either paying attention to or ignoring suffering have become rather advanced. Stories about time travelers are often power fantasies: look what a flap of butterfly wings can do! But this is random, uncontrollable power, so a time traveller would end up learning to ignore things, too. We are all time travelers at one second per second. I wonder what suffering we currently ignore that will seem strange in the future?
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permalink #108 of 221: Stefan Jones (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 18 05:58
permalink #108 of 221: Stefan Jones (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 18 05:58
Via email from Stefan Jones: Chuck Wendig's Twitter thread about ambulatory robots is a hoot: https://twitter.com/ChuckWendig/status/950517393738158081 One of those things that is simultaneously hilarious and makes you want to hole up on the couch and rewatch Steven Universe episodes until you forget about reality. You just gotta know that in ten years those prancing quadruped bots are going to be in charge of kettling protestors, shooting fleeing people in the back, and harassing guys who sell loosies. I think the Maker movement should be all over creating anti-robot weapons. Get on that right away. Milled fiber dispersers to short out their electronics. Bolas to tangle those prancing little legs. Paint bombs.
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permalink #109 of 221: Andrew Hudson (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 18 06:05
permalink #109 of 221: Andrew Hudson (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 18 06:05
Via email from Andrew Hudson: Hi WELL, Jon, Bruce, Long time SotW reader, first time writer. I felt compelled to weigh in this year by the discourse on libertarianism. It seems bizarre to me that, of all our calamitous political happenings, we are talking about libertarianism. I'm not sure libertarianism has been more politically irrelevant or intellectually bankrupt in decades, in perhaps 100 years of American political life. After all: 1) The most classically liberal policies of recent memory proven an utter farce in Brownback's Kansas. 2) Paul Ryan and other great intellectual proponents of shrinking government revealed themselves to be nothing but mercenaries for the 1% by taking up tax reform and leaving the tax code more convoluted, nonsensical and onerous than they found it, all a mad dash to loot as much wealth as possible and thrust it into the hands of the already super rich. For the right in the age of Trump, smash-and-grab class warfare and racial animus eat ideology for breakfast. 3) Classical liberalism's globalized progeny neoliberalism has become so maligned by millennials on both the left and the right that shellshocked pundits have started likening the word "neoliberal" to racial slurs. 4) the "energized" political movement of 2017 wasn't libertarianism at all but socialism, with hockey-stick growth in once bookish organizations like the DSA, an out socialist taking down a major GOP leader in Virginia's off-year elections, and an online culture that is quickly outpacing the right in its complexity, obsessions and weirdness. Tens of thousands of millennials who thought Bernie Sanders was pretty cool in 2016 have spent 2017 starting Marxist reading groups, applying Momentum-style organizing techniques in dozens of cities, and wearing red hammer-and-sickle t-shirts to repair brakelights in police-ravaged neighborhoods. What exactly have libertarians been up to other than dumping dark money into laughable orgs like TPUSA, which try to convince young people to love capitalism by...misusing memes and wearing diapers? And most importantly, 5) climate change! Libertarians have zero credible ideas about saving the planet from catastrophic climate disaster other than "hope Elon Musk sorts it out." Meanwhile the rest of us are quickly coming around to the obvious: that we can't stop climate change without defeating capitalism first. And therefore the political battles that for boomers and Xers were about values and cultural wars are for millennials and younger about plain old survival. Maybe if we had a time machine, and could bring the sustainability posturing of some of today's corporate luminaries back to, say, 1960, we could have kept emissions from getting out of hand and let capitalism trundle along. But we're way past that now, and if American socialists don't win enough political power in the next decade to enact radical anti-capitalist environmental reforms, we'll be in for a lot of dangerous geoengineering and Chinese-style sustainability authoritarianism to get the atmosphere back in human-habitable shapeif that's even possible. Well I've added way more words than I had planned to a discussion that I didn't even think we should be entertaining. Thanks all for the enlightening meditations on Ibiza, chess, and time-traveling cannibals.
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permalink #110 of 221: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 18 06:31
permalink #110 of 221: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 18 06:31
Andrew: From my perspective, the very reason to talk about libertarianism is its use as an excuse for shrinking government, and the way it has called to question the role of government. I'm finding it hard to see that socialism has any power base at the moment - so while an socialist opposition may be "energized" by protest, they haven't found any meaningful way to take or redistribute power. And I don't know that old-school Marxism and socialism is the best solution. We should be able to re-think our politics in the 21st century and find balance, emphasizing a commons-based, cooperative approach to governance. And climate change totally hasn't been addressed, not because of libertarian opposition but because of powerful economic interests unwilling to confront climate reality because, to them, a valid response (e.g. end the burn) would be an existential threat. And that problem's not being addressed very well by anybody of any ideology. This week I hope to have conversations about the commons, human interdependence, and co-operation, the antithesis of libertarianism.
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permalink #111 of 221: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 9 Jan 18 07:43
permalink #111 of 221: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 9 Jan 18 07:43
Libertarianism has two constituencies (other than people using it as an excuse for looting, etc.). It resonates well with the "you are not the boss of me" attitudes that are part of blue-collar America's core culture. It also attracts people who are highly intelligent, educated and cerebral. It is intellectually elegant, especially in contrast to the mix of markets, government regulation, and corruption that are the norm.
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permalink #112 of 221: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 9 Jan 18 08:04
permalink #112 of 221: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 9 Jan 18 08:04
Which of those two motivations prompted Charles Koch to bankroll the founding of the Cato Institute?
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permalink #113 of 221: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 9 Jan 18 08:56
permalink #113 of 221: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 9 Jan 18 08:56
I believe that would fall under "an excuse for looting, etc." but I've been called a cynic.
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permalink #114 of 221: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Tue 9 Jan 18 12:03
permalink #114 of 221: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Tue 9 Jan 18 12:03
appreciate your contributing, Andrew. And looking forward to reading thoughts on those further topics, Jon. The commons, interdependence, et al--what is unboundaried is so often what is left voiceless. Sounds like that Ibiza finca has some catch up learning (in Stewart Brand's term) to do. Which leads me to think -- after his title "How Buildings Learn" -- if it might be interesting here to ponder "How Do Political Systems Learn"? Last, Bruce, appreciated your ponderings about elders and how thinking changes with age. The neuroscientists sometimes have offered a different/opposite description: that older brains grow (for a time) stronger at globalized thinking, as memory/particulars get less strong/quick.
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permalink #115 of 221: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Tue 9 Jan 18 12:13
permalink #115 of 221: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Tue 9 Jan 18 12:13
(just wanted to add-- I'm grateful this conversation is not about the state of the world in only the standard political terms, and wouldn't want to see it turn into only that.)
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permalink #116 of 221: Tiffany Lee Brown's Moustache (magdalen) Tue 9 Jan 18 13:05
permalink #116 of 221: Tiffany Lee Brown's Moustache (magdalen) Tue 9 Jan 18 13:05
Libertarianism, socialism... might there not be some hope in tinkering away at the current system, even if it is a bloated and ungainly beast?
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permalink #117 of 221: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 9 Jan 18 13:58
permalink #117 of 221: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 9 Jan 18 13:58
I'm a muddletarian. I think the best system possible is an inelegant muddle.
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permalink #118 of 221: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 9 Jan 18 14:44
permalink #118 of 221: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 9 Jan 18 14:44
Don't know if it's the "best" Mark, but most def where we are. And that's probably good, all things considered.
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permalink #119 of 221: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 9 Jan 18 15:47
permalink #119 of 221: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 9 Jan 18 15:47
Well, it's different from being (shudder) a moderate. Simple, intellectually elegant systems are more prone to going off the rails.
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permalink #120 of 221: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 9 Jan 18 18:12
permalink #120 of 221: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 9 Jan 18 18:12
That's what happens in a pluralistic society. No simple solution comes close to serving everyone well.
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permalink #121 of 221: Stefan Jones (jonl) Wed 10 Jan 18 07:08
permalink #121 of 221: Stefan Jones (jonl) Wed 10 Jan 18 07:08
Via email from Stefan Jones: Regarding Muddletarianism, there is a Stewart Brand quote I adore. It appeared in a review hidden away in the Last Whole Earth Catalog: "We're generally down on Utopian thinking around here, holding to a more evolutionary fiasco-by-fiasco approach to perfection."
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permalink #122 of 221: Brian Slesinsky (jonl) Wed 10 Jan 18 07:09
permalink #122 of 221: Brian Slesinsky (jonl) Wed 10 Jan 18 07:09
Via email from Brian Slesinsky: I'm surprised we haven't talked much about computer security yet. In 2017 ransomware hit the big time with hackers (possibly from North Korea) shaking down power companies and airports and hospitals for Bitcoin. And it could have been much worse, except for a lucky bug. Also, the Equifax breach leaked 140 million American's social security numbers. Also, hackers tried to steal the French presidential election, but they failed so never mind, next crisis. 2018 is getting off to an early start with the discovery of a fundamental design flaw in basically all CPU's (Meltdown / Spectre). Apparently, the pressure to build faster CPU's is so intense that even if-statements aren't safe. Meanwhile, this whole notion of researching "friendly AI" seems so charmingly naive. It's like if we can tell everyone how to do it, there will be a gentleman's agreement to keep these AI's under control. Somehow I don't think North Korea's hackers will agree to that, and I don't think they'll care much whether it's "real AI" or not, so long as it does the job. You don't need AI to have a mind of its own for it to be weaponized. Mark Levine likes to make the sarcastic claim that it's the nature of all Bitcoin exchanges to be hacked. I wonder if he's not thinking big enough? I expect it will be increasingly attractive to make computer security the problem of some other organization that seems to know what it's doing, whether it's CloudFlare or Google Cloud or Estonia. This is how Big Tech gets bigger and decentralization loses. Even when they do get hacked they have a leet team of hackers standing by to fix it; what does your server in the closet have? Some unknown electronics firm from Shenzhen or hippie retrocomputing collective isn't going to cut it. Also, lots of people are angry at social networks right now, but what if they actually got *good* at filter bubbles? The customers are demanding more protection, not less, so eventually someone will give them what they want. Or maybe just get rid of social networks altogether? It seems that some people are happy to have a microphone and speaker in their home from a trusted company. It answers questions. It plays music. It's cheap, kid-safe, non-addictive, and doesn't let spam or nasty politics in. Yet.
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permalink #123 of 221: fiasco-by-fiasco approach to perfection (banjojohn) Wed 10 Jan 18 07:28
permalink #123 of 221: fiasco-by-fiasco approach to perfection (banjojohn) Wed 10 Jan 18 07:28
Corporations brought us into a new geologic era. That doesn't happen very often. Extinction events event less frequent. "The current rate of extinction of species is estimated at 100 to 1,000 times higher than natural background rates." wikipedia My Dad used to tell me, when I was a wee lad in the 1960's, that all world religions(and enlightened humans such as Jesus of Nazareth and Gautama Buddha) held the same basic set of morals, and that stewardship of the Earth was one of these. It troubles me that modern man has rationalized away that responsibility. I can't understand how anyone could consider an extinction event as anything less than an organizing principle of the highest urgency. I wonder how the Karankawa felt about protecting Mother Earth?
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permalink #124 of 221: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 10 Jan 18 09:38
permalink #124 of 221: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 10 Jan 18 09:38
#122 Hey Brian, we gave up on any notion of security during last year's SOTW But, good points....shuddering time to be operating a company that actually requires computer security -- that would be ALL of them :)
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permalink #125 of 221: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 10 Jan 18 09:39
permalink #125 of 221: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 10 Jan 18 09:39
Seeing a general stepping down of technology...folks going back one or two gens of tech in order to get something that actually works.
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