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permalink #0 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 7 Feb 18 20:43
permalink #0 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 7 Feb 18 20:43
We are pleased to have Roger McNamee with us to discuss his most timely article in the Washington Post: I mentored Mark Zuckerberg, Here's my roadmap for fixing Facebook: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-mentored-mark-zuckerberg-heres-my-ro ad-map-for-fixing-facebook/2018/01/14/0f976dea-f71b-11e7-b34a-b85626af34ef_sto ry.html?utm_term=.3469bb4dbe95 Here, also, is a video from MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.com/velshi-ruhle/watch/roger-mcnamee-here-s-how-zuckerberg-ca n-fix-facebook-1137610307954 This portends to be a far-ranging discussion of many concerns as to what is going on in the Digital landscape as the Stacks aggressively attempt to gain more control over their users attention.
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permalink #1 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 7 Feb 18 21:40
permalink #1 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 7 Feb 18 21:40
Roger is a musician, tech investor, advocate for justice. He is currently engaged in a movement to make the world aware of the dark side of internet platforms. Co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology (http://www.humanetech.com).
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permalink #2 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 14 Feb 18 14:30
permalink #2 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 14 Feb 18 14:30
We have a host of Wellpern for readers, so I will attempt to guide us along. A kind of "group moderator", so please feel free to chime in any time. I am (tcn) Ted Newcomb...long time member of the WELL, and some-time co-host of Inkwell. I am retired, 70, and just thinking about actually going to work. :) http://www.about.me/tcnewcomb
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permalink #3 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 14 Feb 18 14:32
permalink #3 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 14 Feb 18 14:32
Roger, we are so fortunate to have you with us at such a timely moment. I cannot help but notice the Web is resonating with your opening salvo, and "shot over Facebook's bow", if you will pardon me. What was the tipping point for you? Both, to editorialize, as well as come to the realization that Facebook needed fixing?
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permalink #4 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sun 18 Feb 18 08:22
permalink #4 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sun 18 Feb 18 08:22
By way of background and for those following along, I am going to post some links to articles that have resulted from Roger's writings. These get to the heart of a huge issue on the Net right now.It is not just Facebook, it is all the Stacks as we call them. Cyberspace is monopolized with respect to users' attention by Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple and Amazon.... We call them the Stacks...they are walled gardens, silos...in that you only have access to their part of cyberspace....so if you are an Apple user, and do not jailbreak your device(s), then you only experience, and are CONTROLLED, by Apple's algorithms and live in Apple World....same for Amazon and Kindle World...Microsoft and Windows World...etc. In the realm of Social Media, where most users live - You Tube and Facebook represent 50% of ALL internet usage, ALL day, Every day....except for Baidu, the Chinese version of Facebook. Part of the problem with this approach is that the users are the data, and provide the data, for these Stacks. We call them 'Sheeple". And Mr. Zuckerberg is the chief shepherd. And he has just had a hell of a year and issued his Manifesto: https://www.facebook.com/notes/mark-zuckerberg/building-global-community/10154 544292806634/ Here's Forbes' take on it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kathleenchaykowski/2017/02/16/mark-zuckerbergs-ma nifesto-is-facebooks-state-of-the-union/#22c105a76ef9 Roger put his finger on the central problem of Facebook with his articles (pointers above) and they have caused a flood of responses across the Internet. Wired's new issue just arrived in my mailbox...with Mark Zuckerberg's bruised and battered face on the front cover and the lead article all about this past year and what's to come....that is the part Roger will be talking about with us...."before it fixes us"" https://www.wired.com/story/inside-facebook-mark-zuckerberg-2-years-of-hell/
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permalink #5 of 193: Roger McNamee (rmcnamee) Tue 20 Feb 18 09:48
permalink #5 of 193: Roger McNamee (rmcnamee) Tue 20 Feb 18 09:48
Thank you, Ted! Hi everyone! I was a mentor to Mark Zuckerberg in the early years of Facebook -- beginning in early 2006. Though my mentorship ended in 2008 after I introduced Sheryl Sandberg to Zuck and helped bring her into the company, I remained a huge fan. What attracted me to Facebook was the company's early commitment to true identity and giving users control of their privacy, two things that got lost somewhere along the way. I was on vacation at the beginning of 2016 when I noticed nasty, misogynistic memes emanating from Facebook Groups ostensibly related to the Bernie Sanders campaign. I thought to myself, there is no way Bernie and his campaign would put out memes like that. But new ones came every day, sometimes more than one a day, and they were spreading like wildfire. Friends of mine were sharing them. They were viral in a way that suggested that someone was spending money to draw people into these groups. I didn't understand what I was seeing, but made a mental note. In March 2016, I saw a news report that FB had expelled a group that exploited its application programming interface (API) to scrape data about people who expressed an interest in Black Lives Matter, and then sold that data to police departments. This was a huge violation of civil rights. Bad actors had exploited FB's architecture to harm innocent people. Facebook had expelled them, but irreparable harm had already been done. I made another mental note. Then in June, the UK voted to leave the European Union. The outcome in Brexit was a total shock. The polls suggested that "Remain" would win by around four points, but "Leave" actually won by that amount. When I thought about the campaign, I realized that FB had provided an advantage to Leave, whose campaign was based on emotions, basically fear and greed. The campaign argued that leaving the EU would allow the UK to close its borders to immigrants, which they claimed were responsible for everything that was wrong in the country. The greed angle was a promise that leaving would save the UK billions, which would be invested to improve the National Health System. The NHS pitch allowed xenophobes to wrap their vote in a cloak of altruism. Meanwhile, Remain was arguing that the UK's special deal with the EU -- all the benefits of membership, but with their own currency -- was too good to give up. Zero emotion vs. lizard brain emotions in the Leave pitch. It seemed that Facebook provided a giant advantage to the emotional campaign, but I didn't know how much. Later I learned it may have been 10:1 or more. The next big news items related to the Russian hack of the DNC and DCCC, Manafort's Russian connections, and the Housing and Urban Development case against Facebook for advertising tools that enabled discrimination in housing based on race. The last of these came in August and caused me to reach out to the tech blog Re/Code to see if they had seen what I was seeing. They responded a month later with an invitation to write an op-ed. It took me a month to get the op-ed done because I didn't want to focus just on election issues. I thought Clinton would win and didn't want FB to dismiss my concerns if she did. I finished the op-ed and sent it the Zuck and Sheryl Sandberg, hoping to persuade them to address what I saw as systemic problems with Facebook. They got back to me right away, but said the problems I saw were isolated, not systemic, and that they had addressed them all. They passed me to one of their best lieutenants, a great guy named Dan Rose and I had several conversations with Dan. He made a key point: Facebook was not responsible for third party actions because it is a platform, not a media company. This legal argument is based on Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996, a law created to protect the nascent internet industry from copyright and pornography suits. Then the election happened. I was really unhappy. Dan was amazingly patient with me, but did not budge. We kept talking off and on until February 2017, when I finally gave up. I never published the op-ed. In April 2017, I reconnected with Tristan Harris, former design ethicist at Google. Tristan had been on 60 Minutes talking about something he called brain hacking, the use of techniques from propaganda and casino gambling, which, when married to the deep personalization of social platforms on smartphones, allowed advertisers and bad actors to manipulate user thoughts and behavior. Suddenly, everything I had seen made sense. I asked Tristan if he needed a wingman. He said yes.
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permalink #6 of 193: those Andropovian bongs (rik) Tue 20 Feb 18 12:15
permalink #6 of 193: those Andropovian bongs (rik) Tue 20 Feb 18 12:15
Welcome Roger. Rik Elswit here. I'm a politically involved musician, and have been reading your online pieces about Facebook. I find it fascinating, and I find that I've very much at sea with what's going on. I thought the Internet was going to make it easier for us to know what is and isn't true. Silly me. I'm very much looking forward to this,
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permalink #7 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 20 Feb 18 16:59
permalink #7 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 20 Feb 18 16:59
Wow! Facebook HAD to know what was going on....upon reflection do you think they were "covering up", hiding behind a legal loophole, or just not getting it, or what?
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permalink #8 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 20 Feb 18 17:02
permalink #8 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 20 Feb 18 17:02
There are a lot of background issues going on here....the bias of algorithms, the greed for ad revenues, likes, shares, etc. and the whole issue of "training the sheep". Feel free to start anywhere....if you could, please assume we are the Dummies being Brainhacked and put it in English....not all of our readership are geeks. Let's tackle the problems first and then get to the digital literacies later, among other solutions and approaches thinking people need to take. Really great you are here Roger and thank you for the generosity of your time...this is a huge issue and involves way more than Facebook.
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permalink #9 of 193: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 20 Feb 18 17:08
permalink #9 of 193: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 20 Feb 18 17:08
two brennan center staffers weigh in on a partial solution https://slate.com/technology/2018/02/how-the-internet-companies-that-sold-ads- to-russian-trolls-can-fix-the-problem.html
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permalink #10 of 193: Nancy White (choco) Tue 20 Feb 18 17:28
permalink #10 of 193: Nancy White (choco) Tue 20 Feb 18 17:28
Hi, Roger and adding to the thanks. I'd be curious to know about tactics for engaging both parties in addressing the problem. If this is politically just Dems hollering, we have more challenges. Your thoughts?
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permalink #11 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 20 Feb 18 17:31
permalink #11 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 20 Feb 18 17:31
Echoes: http://bigthink.com/videos/russia-facebook-twitter-social-networks-amplify-pol itical-extremism?utm_source=Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=363ecc94ce-EMAIL_CAM PAIGN_2018_02_20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_45b26faecc-363ecc94ce-4372416 5 ""I think the Facebook and Twitter have been configured to incentivize the expression and sharing of extreme opinions. It isnt just fake news that we have to worry about, but we do have to worry about that, its also extreme views. Both are in fact incentivized by the structure of the network platforms as they existed. And I think looking back on 2016 the correct analysis of that election is not that the Russian network interfered and thats why Trump won, I dont think the Russian contribution was nearly big enough for that statement to be valid. What is true is that without the existence of Facebook and Twitter it wouldve been very hard for an outlier outside a candidate like Donald Trump to win."" Niall Fergusson
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permalink #12 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 20 Feb 18 17:34
permalink #12 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 20 Feb 18 17:34
This month's Wired would like us to feel sorry for Zuck, who, we are led to believe has barely slept these past two years fixing it all up for us...Bull puckey Here is the link to the spin doctors at Wired: https://www.wired.com/story/inside-facebook-mark-zuckerberg-2-years-of-hell/
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permalink #13 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 21 Feb 18 03:16
permalink #13 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 21 Feb 18 03:16
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permalink #14 of 193: Rip Van Winkle (keta) Wed 21 Feb 18 07:03
permalink #14 of 193: Rip Van Winkle (keta) Wed 21 Feb 18 07:03
Pulling up a seat... Two questions - first, how is >configured to incentivize the expression and sharing of extreme opinions similar to, "if it bleeds, it leads" in newspaper or network news parlance? Facebook considers itself a platform, sure, but help me to understand how an algorithm is similar or different from an automated producer or editor? Second - regarding >Bad actors had exploited FB's architecture to harm innocent people. It seems to me that if you design a system to facilitate advertising, and the whole purpose and strategy of advertising is to identify likely consumers for your product and persuade them, what process do you use to distinguish a "good" actor from a "bad" one? From one point of view, the whole system is pernicious, shares roots with the development of propaganda, and in the extreme example, ends up indicting itself entirely... It's something of a contortion not to do so, but it's also something of a blindly silly position to claim that there isn't an easy-to-see difference here.
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permalink #15 of 193: Gary Greenberg (gberg) Wed 21 Feb 18 08:56
permalink #15 of 193: Gary Greenberg (gberg) Wed 21 Feb 18 08:56
I'll venture an opinion, if not an exremist one: Bleeds/leads journalism is still journalism. The priorities that land the house fire on the front page instead of something more important are not incompatible with the priorities that require journalists to adhere to facts. Or, to put it another way, newpapers and news networks are curators, and almost all o them are guided by some fealty to truth-telling. That's probably part of why so much of the legacy media are doing so poorly these days. a house fire is more eyeball-grabbing than a legislative hearing abotu gun control, but a provocatively written extremist screed on an inflammatory issue is more eyeball grabbing than both.
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permalink #16 of 193: David Gans (tnf) Wed 21 Feb 18 09:58
permalink #16 of 193: David Gans (tnf) Wed 21 Feb 18 09:58
Thank you for joining us, Roger! This is incredibly important stuff.
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permalink #17 of 193: Howard Rheingold (hlr) Wed 21 Feb 18 11:21
permalink #17 of 193: Howard Rheingold (hlr) Wed 21 Feb 18 11:21
Following this with interest. I'm concerned that Facebook is not fixable because the thing that makes it vulnerable to abuse is at the core of their business model. If Mark tries to fix it in a way that diminishes profits, I believe that violates his fiduciary duty. So he can't fix it even if he wants. So -- unless I learn otherwise -- I'm in the process of leaving Facebook within the next few months.
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permalink #18 of 193: Andrew Trott (druid) Wed 21 Feb 18 11:48
permalink #18 of 193: Andrew Trott (druid) Wed 21 Feb 18 11:48
If we could mount a mass exodus, perhaps FB would take Roger's advice seriously. Otherwise I'm not sure what incentive they have.
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permalink #19 of 193: David Gans (tnf) Wed 21 Feb 18 12:04
permalink #19 of 193: David Gans (tnf) Wed 21 Feb 18 12:04
Is there a demand-side solution? I keep thinking that propaganda and misdirection work when the target audience isn't prepared to evaluate the truth of the information. The mother- fucking Republicans have been working to destroy public education (another institutions) for decades, knowing that an uninformed populace is easier to manipulate. Can we address this problem, at least in part, by helping the users to understand what's ging on and arming them with well-calibrated shit detectors?
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permalink #20 of 193: Howard Rheingold (hlr) Wed 21 Feb 18 12:37
permalink #20 of 193: Howard Rheingold (hlr) Wed 21 Feb 18 12:37
I started work on crap detection with students years ago <http://bit.ly/crapdetect> but I fear it is an arms race between well-incented and well-funded deceivers (both political and commercial) and increasingly confused and ill-equipped information consumers. Maybe if we taught critical thinking, starting in elementary school, but that was identified as a communist plot at least 50 years ago when my mother was an elementary school teacher.
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permalink #21 of 193: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Wed 21 Feb 18 12:43
permalink #21 of 193: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Wed 21 Feb 18 12:43
A serious threat to religion and to demagoguery.
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permalink #22 of 193: Gary Nolan (gnolan) Wed 21 Feb 18 13:50
permalink #22 of 193: Gary Nolan (gnolan) Wed 21 Feb 18 13:50
Appreciate that you are taking the time to participate here Roger. Lots posted here to ponder.
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permalink #23 of 193: Rip Van Winkle (keta) Wed 21 Feb 18 16:00
permalink #23 of 193: Rip Van Winkle (keta) Wed 21 Feb 18 16:00
Howard asks my second question much more clearly in <17>
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permalink #24 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 21 Feb 18 18:47
permalink #24 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 21 Feb 18 18:47
I'm leaning towards Howard's point of view, that this is an 'unfixable' problem for Facebook's business model....and that this is a broader problem for all of the Stacks (Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook)... We can have all the digital literacies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_literacy) in the world, but it is still User vs Stack....and with the current models of the Stacks, the Users are the product. And once the Sheep wake up they are going to leave the walled gardens and silos, because staying simply keeps them as 'food and fodder'. That's the nature of the model and the Space in which they engage with their friends and others. The ads and algorithms that can be seen on the surface are simply feedback loops to encourage more likes, clicks, shares and bait to keep folks coming back for more...the unseen algorithms (culling contact lists, activities on all other Social Media and app approvals that have been "allowed") are pervasive and invasive. I don't see how there can be any solution to staying within these walled gardens and silos. Neither do I see how their economic models will change. Google changed their name to Alphabet just so they didn't have to "play nice" anymore. This is the nature of Baron Robbers in every new technological era and in spite of all the good they may offer, by their very design they eat themselves and all who participate. They are simple monopolies exploiting their economic advantages. And there is no regulatory body that can break them up. The "curve" we have watched with all this disruptive tech is that they buy up and shelve their competitors, or are, themselves, replaced by something newer and cooler. Good luck with this Roger. I, like Howard, and most of us, would love solutions because on top of all the other "wicked problems" in this world, we now have "wicked stacks" and they are now attacking each other. This is economic nature "tooth and claw". And it was easy to see coming, almost from the very beginning. There have been plenty of warning shots fired across their bow. I doubt the betterment of humanity is at any of their core values. There is no profit in it. And they fire all prophets within their ranks.
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permalink #25 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 21 Feb 18 20:24
permalink #25 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 21 Feb 18 20:24
In fairness to Facebook, this was a platform to get dates on college campuses. It does quite well at connecting immediate family and friends, sharing baby pictures, cat lols and recipes....and a couple of years ago appeared to have the possibility of actually being a serious platform for social action and real networking. I think it is fairly obvious now it should have stuck with baby pictures and recipes. Also, I don't know anyone who is serious, that isn't using Snapchat or WeChat...no one expects much from Facebook anymore. Again, this is a Stack problem...the Stacks want to capture our full attention, as much of our bandwidth as possible, and they code accordingly. The idea that an algorithm has any capacity for caring or empathy for the humans involved is ludicrous. It is a binary operation looking to increase activity and more ad revenue. Period. At the end of the day, after all the likes, shares, lols and videos, it is about humans connecting with other humans. And that is still done most effectively away from the screen. The fixes I hope Roger will suggest will have to address this dilemma. Can Social Media and cooperative, network platforms be designed to become more beneficial to the humans using them, AND still make money?
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