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permalink #126 of 231: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 8 Jan 19 07:54
permalink #126 of 231: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 8 Jan 19 07:54
glad to see ivan illich mentioned here
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permalink #127 of 231: James Bridle (stml) Tue 8 Jan 19 07:55
permalink #127 of 231: James Bridle (stml) Tue 8 Jan 19 07:55
(Sidenote: Bruce earlier noted the largest ever hack of personal information, and the culprit appears to be a 20 year old living with his parents - he even used the same handle in online games as he did to release the material: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/08/germany-data-breach-man-held-in- suspected-hacking-case "The BKA again said there was no evidence a foreign government had been behind the attack, with initial reports pointing the finger at Russia or China." I'm reminded of possibly my favourite piece of unexpected consequences from the last few years; how Mirai, the botnet-of-a-thousand-nightmares, which infected the internet of things and knocked the eastern seaboard offline, sparking fears of a nation-state attack was a Minecraft prank gone wrong: https://www.wired.com/story/mirai-botnet-minecraft-scam-brought-down-the-inter net/ Next up: STUXNET was actually an ARG for a new Netflix show.
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permalink #128 of 231: Tom Valovic (tvacorn) Tue 8 Jan 19 08:02
permalink #128 of 231: Tom Valovic (tvacorn) Tue 8 Jan 19 08:02
Ivan Illich...yes. Back in the day when there were truly independent think-tanks (although that's not quite the right word for his endeavor) not beholden to either donors or direct or indirect corporate influence. The simple goal -- improving the quality of life. "Medical Nemesis" was a breakthrough piece of research.
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permalink #129 of 231: Tiffany Lee Brown (T) (magdalen) Tue 8 Jan 19 10:59
permalink #129 of 231: Tiffany Lee Brown (T) (magdalen) Tue 8 Jan 19 10:59
cory, hello! nice to see you in here. i agree with much of what you wrote about the Authors Guild survey. like jon, i'm on the fence about Amazon. it giveth and it taketh away. > What are the characteristics of membership of > the Author's Guild jon, as i recall, they used to be very chummy and elitist. you could only get in if you published with certain presses, or had X number of articles in certain magazines they deemed worthy. if i sound grumpy, it's because yeah, i wasn't fancy enough for them back in the day, and they turned down my application. nowadays, it looks like they needed more members and began to allow in the riffraff, including me. on the Authors Guild member site, conversation threads pop up aboout self-publishing, small presses, vanity presses, agents, the whole shebang. but AG is historically rooted in the sorts of authors who could and did write for the big publishing houses, back when that was a more viable business. they say hilariously snooty and out-of- date stuff in the membership conversation threads.
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permalink #130 of 231: Tiffany Lee Brown (T) (magdalen) Tue 8 Jan 19 11:03
permalink #130 of 231: Tiffany Lee Brown (T) (magdalen) Tue 8 Jan 19 11:03
about ten years ago (?) i headed up a discussion at Wordstock, the then-huge Portland literary festival. subject was something about the demise of the book, and what e-books might do to literature and publishing. people were super into it. we had a nice panel and a huge room, standing room only. book people *care*, ya know?? while i love books, book people, and some aspects of publishing, i found myself playing devil's advocate. if the 20th century print publishing model were to founder and fail, it might not be the fault of Amazon and "user-generated content." it just *might* have something to do with how utterly ridiculous, parochial, wasteful, and bizarre the old system was.
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permalink #131 of 231: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 8 Jan 19 11:19
permalink #131 of 231: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 8 Jan 19 11:19
Thanks, MagTiff! That confirms my suspicions... (and you slipped in that other post, so I was responding to 129). I suppose the state of the world shouldn't depend too much on Jeff Bezos, but his company now owns the Washington Post and Whole Foods Market, and he has another company attempting space travel. On the plus side, I don't see any real nastiness under Amazon's roof. It would be interesting to see assessments of the values of large corporations, the sort of analysis that precedes alignment work. Not just lists of companies that are "socially responsible," but a real analysis of values based on actions and decisions. I know people who assume that big for-profit corporations are inherently leaning to the dark side, especially those who question the global economic system as a whole. But I think the whole good/bad thing is complicated...
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permalink #132 of 231: Ari Davidow (ari) Tue 8 Jan 19 11:28
permalink #132 of 231: Ari Davidow (ari) Tue 8 Jan 19 11:28
>On the plus side, I don't see any real nastiness under Amazon's roof. I guess that depends on whether or not you work for Amazon at a minimum wage job or not. Their employees are part of the "can only afford to work here if they get foodstamps" crowd. It gets worse, of course. Amazon recently announced that they'd make the minimum Amazon wage $15/hr, which sounds good, relatively speaking, except that they cut other benefits, starting with the profit-sharing/stock purchase plan that enabled some of those low-wage workers to get a stake in Amazon's success. So, overall, a net loss for many workers. Then, too, there are the people in spaces that Amazon coveted, whose business were destroyed by Amazon using its size and deep pockets to undercut them until they either sold to Amazon or went out of business (I'm thinking of several mentioned in Brad Stone's book on Amazon, "The Everything Store.) I'm convinced that this is real nastiness, so must disagree. As with many things, there is a point where enterprises go from "growing and innovating" to "cancerous, crowding out others, crowding out innovation, and killing us all." I think that Amazon is a current member of the latter space. I don't think that is going to change in 2019.
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permalink #133 of 231: Rip Van Winkle (keta) Tue 8 Jan 19 12:11
permalink #133 of 231: Rip Van Winkle (keta) Tue 8 Jan 19 12:11
So much good and important stuff the last couple of days. I think it's worth remarking on the connection between the previous day's topic of how AlphaZero "uses the whole board" and what Noah Redford <108> and James Bridle <110> bring up about how much is going on outside of the North America / Northern Europe viewpoint - hurtling into the unknown and "change at the periphery." I agree with Jane and <tvacorn> that climate is a whole different order of problem-crisis. I think there are some things that must be addressed at scale urgently, and there are also some things that can only be addressed well on the slower value-rich timeline of culture. Two threads that have been resonating with me and I've wanted to hear more about are <jonl>'s mention a couple of times of worker-owned cooperatives and <magdalen>'s series of opening posts about the journey from the liberal bubble city to a rural borderland/transition zone. > <112> My co-op does some of our web development work for large, global corporations, and I often wonder what it would take to convert those organizations to a more co-operative endeavor. I've never been close to a large corporation that wasn't operated as a federation of collaborative teams and divisions, so I tend to think they're really not far off from what we're doing, though the general structure is more of an oligarchy. That's a tantalizing question and avenue. I still don't know what I want to say about Tiff's posts, except that your location, avenue of exploration, and approach seem to me to be perhaps the most important one of all. Generating something from our own periphery... or more correctly, going back to the biological metaphors, at the transition zone between two ecosystems.
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permalink #134 of 231: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 8 Jan 19 13:12
permalink #134 of 231: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 8 Jan 19 13:12
I'll concede there's nastiness at Amazon - I was thinking more at the level of world-killing, climate-change-denying, child-labor-employing, toxic-waste-dumping nastiness, but follow this link for "7 Examples (and more) of How Amazon Treats Their 90,000+ Warehouse Employees Like Cattle" https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/12/7-examples-how-amazon-treats-th eir-90000-warehouse.html I wonder how a worker co-op would operate, doing the same kind of business?
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permalink #135 of 231: Tiffany Lee Brown (T) (magdalen) Tue 8 Jan 19 18:34
permalink #135 of 231: Tiffany Lee Brown (T) (magdalen) Tue 8 Jan 19 18:34
> at the transition zone between two ecosystems. i found myself thinking about the people beyond the USA's borders today, the good-spirited people who walk across giant deserts seeking asylum mentioned above. when we talk about the State of the World, of course it is important to think big, think broad, get around that globe, play the odd corners with AlphaZero. it's important to recognize also how much privilege and First World Problem mentality we bring to our stories. yet there is also value in looking deeply at our own ground. (many Well members and participants in this conversation are Americans, and many are West Coast. and Austin. it's practically its own Coast, right?) those of us with disabilities and unspectacular income levels, those of us sitting right here raising the children and trying to make sense of our immediate communities? we are unlikely to have a jet-setting-to-Dubai perspective. of my own cohort, my friends who're in that category are nearly all white men, successful in business or technology. i can think of two exceptions, both highly educated women, one white, one black, neither with children. so if you are rooted and/or stuck in place, and that place thrums with darkness and anger, and you can't escape it drinking champagne in First Class... what then? for me, the answer is: go into the darkness. walk into the anger. see what broils up that might be of use. get scared and humbled but also educated by what's inside. then attempt to move it outward.
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permalink #136 of 231: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 9 Jan 19 02:27
permalink #136 of 231: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 9 Jan 19 02:27
Jane Hirshfield (jh) As an aside, Bruce, I have trouble imagining how a person would experience the "wow" moves of your proposed no-goal chess game. What conveys the 'wow,' if there is no arc of direction-intention to the moving? Never seen before? In dance choreography, novelty of movement brings pleasure, sure, but not least because the limitation of the human body is being challenged, and also because the history of dance sits behind our acts of witness. In the case of a computer playing a board game, wouldn't it all become entirely arbitrary and meaningless? Constraint's breaking is a kind of pleasure--but only if the constraint's presence is felt. The serotonin dopamine explosion of aesthetic pleasure is dependent on there being *some* context of customary expectation's transcending. *Thanks for indulging my aesthetic issues here, Jane. The problem youre describing here the arbitrary and meaningless issue was once rather nicely summed up in 1986 by noted musicologist Morrissey of The Smiths, who wrote: Burn down the disco, hang the bloody DJ, because the music they constantly play, has nothing to say about my life. And indeed I get where hes coming from. Clearly theres not much direction-intention, or even physical instrument-playing virtuosity, in a highly technical form of music that lacks emotional lyrics and is mostly made of repetitive loops, samples and the occasional innovative sound-design honk, beep or squonk. However, I listen to rather of lot of techno dance music and its associated minigenres of house, neurofunk, drumnbass, jungle, etc etc, mostly because Im trying to figure out what you could say critically about them that might be broadly helpful. Given how much human element theyre missing, why and how are they good? Because, even though theyre not Morrissey, theyre plenty popular, and lastingly so. Theyre supporting Ibizas economy, even there are discos here 50 years old. Very similar problems apply to abstract motion graphics based in code art, like say the visual code-art works of Lia. Why dont you just watch a real movie, where the boy kisses the girl and theres some cool action scenes? Where's there's conflict, something that matters? Well, were very keen on the creative work of Lia at Share Festival in Turin, so the natural question is, like, why her and not somebody else? Is she good? Yeah, she is, but why? Shes never up on stage emoting like Morrissey.
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permalink #137 of 231: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 9 Jan 19 02:28
permalink #137 of 231: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 9 Jan 19 02:28
One compelling reason might be that Lias just plain there. She exists. Lia is that rare creature, a professional code artist. She quit her day job teaching new-media in an Austrian design school and now Lia survives on well embossed coffee-cups, lecture fees and kickstarter, I guess. She does derive some revenue from SeditionArt.com, which is a commercial gallery for works of digital art. *So here are the commercially available code-art works of Lia. I myself own a lot of these, or at least I paid modest sums of money so that I have the rights to display them on devices. Lia gets a 50% royalty, and Im keen to keep the former professor busy in her code-art racket. It gives me something nice to think about. https://www.seditionart.com/lia I do like these artworks, just in the simple sense of my sincere fondness for abstract motion-graphics. But I own lots, mostly so that I can enjoy trying to figure out which is the best one. Im pretty sure I could sit down and rank them as my personal favorites, from 1-44, in half an hour. Not a big problem I know what I like. But what would I *say* about them that would justify that? What kind of aesthetic argument can I make? If you want to own the best Lia work, wow, you should buy that one. Thats possible, am I right? People can assess Jackson Pollack canvases. Its action painting, you know, you want the splatters. Any proper gallerist ought to be able to advise you on that.
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permalink #138 of 231: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 9 Jan 19 02:29
permalink #138 of 231: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 9 Jan 19 02:29
So the business with the chess analogy is me attempting to strip this problem down to something more conceptual, less human-centric. So imagine youre in a big dark installation, like, say, a big disco that Morrissey just burned down. And there are big columns of colored light in there, from the discos light-show special FX. And the tall, glowing lights move around you in the space. The first time, they just float colorfully and randomly. But the second time, they begin in two neat ranks, and then they make various different short motions on what seems to be a grid. Sometimes, two collide and one vanishes, until theyre almost all gone. Even if you didnt recognize this display as a chess game, it would surely be prettier than the random, arbitrary and meaningless lights. If you had those two graphic motion displays going in two adjacent rooms, the audience would leave the random room and go into the chess-simulation room. Because its just more engaging, theres more to talk about, its cooler, its got more frisson, its just more artistic. Eventually, you could run a hundred different light-show chess games in a row, and the unwearied and always-interested viewers ought to able to declare, Wow, #47 was pretty awesome while #32 just wasnt as good. Without knowing that #47 is Capablanca Vs Alekhine 1927 while #32 was Carlsen vs Caruana 2018. Theyd come up with a new aesthetic for this generative art experience, in other words. But what aesthetic is that? Whats it about? Special bonus: me, way back in 2013 trying to give a pep talk to media artists who do code graphics. Basically its me riffing at them, Well, I sure take you guys seriously; cant quite tell you why, though. People in an unusual and innovative line of work appreciate a back-patting, but really, I ought to be able to tell them why. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1636630114/clouds-interactive-documentary
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permalink #139 of 231: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 9 Jan 19 06:01
permalink #139 of 231: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 9 Jan 19 06:01
*More from Noah Raford, who offers a music recommendation. From: Noah Raford The other thing I wanted to add is man, this revolution is going to be funky. All the best parties happen in the dark. All you need to do is listen to some of the music coming out of the cracks right now to get a feel for the celebration that is coming. Yes, times are tough and will get tougher, but when the going gets tough, the tough start to party (to paraphrase good old Hunter S.). Have a listen to some of the crazy amazing music coming out these days. Its the sound track to the crumbling 20th Century and will gives a hint at all the fun, grey market things to come. Nyege Nyege Festival 2018 (in Uganda) https://youtu.be/QMtobL0TwLQ If the future looks like Nyege Nyege, bring it on, baby! The worse it gets the funkier it will be. Lets not forget that even woolly old Dark Mountain started as a festival and all the best house parties happen in squats. Unlike the US (where Bruce rightly points out that more people are above the age of 60 than below 25), the opposite is true in the places where the future is really happening. Half of the continent of Africa is under 16 and boy, are they going to want to party. There will still be rocket barons and space sheiks making grand plans, but for most of us, we either succumb to VR intoxicated self pity and prescription or rip off the headsets and join the bonfire. The future is going to be one big squat party. In times of sorrow, what else can we do but sing? Best, Noah
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permalink #140 of 231: Jake Dunagan (jdunagan) Wed 9 Jan 19 06:18
permalink #140 of 231: Jake Dunagan (jdunagan) Wed 9 Jan 19 06:18
Well, now I'm going to have to add neurofunk to my ever-growing list of neurologisms. Thanks Bruce. And thanks Noah, this is the State of the World, not just USA and EU. Nevertheless, I have more to say about the USA. Leonard Cohen said we like it dark (and he had the wisdom to die the day before the US election). In the 80s and 90s University of Hawaii professor Fred Riggs wrote several articles arguing that Presidentialist political systems are prone to authoritarianism. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/019251218800900401 Maybe prone is not the right word. At one point, according to his analysis, out of 33 Presidentialist systems, 32 had become dictatorships. I'll leave you to figure out the one that didn't (at that point). The only thing that has kept the US from fulfilling the destiny of its political system structure is the adherence to democratic norms. Those norms have held back the dogs of structure for some time. I also attended a conference at UT Austin organized by Sandy Levinson in January 2013, titled "Is America Governable?" The answer of a group of staid, sober constitutional law professors, Brookings researchers and such, was...NO! Well, SOTW, here we are in 2019, with a normless and gormless and formless leader, and his followers. I'm not sure we can rescue the US from it's systematic destiny at this point. The Gov Futures Lab at IFTF held what we called the ReConstitutional Convention in April 2013 that brought together a wide group of thinkers and doers who cared about political systems designs to try and prepare for the coming transition and to have new governing ideas to experiment with, rather than falling back on tribalism, theocracy, or worse, as happened after the Arab Spring. A movement of social inventors is what we were and are trying to catalyze. And as we get closer to the day when those inventions will be necessary, our urgency needs to be amplified. Noah points out, rightly, that other places are getting along, for better or worse, and thinking about brighter futures, rather than cursing the darkness. And yet the energy that is about to be released from the US will spill out and ripple through the entire planet. To me, for the US, we are beyond sustaining the system. Trump only exposed and exploited the weaknesses, he did not cause them. We are facing a near-term system fork of transformation or collapse. My money is on collapse (which Dator sometimes calls "silver linings"), but my brain and heart are working toward transformation. And if it's not coming from the US champagne supernova, hopefully we won't get in the way of the future happening elsewhere. Fork well, and prosper.
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permalink #141 of 231: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 9 Jan 19 07:11
permalink #141 of 231: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 9 Jan 19 07:11
Jeremy Smith, a very smart former Army engineer, gave a talk last night at an EFF-Austin meeting. EFF-Austin is a cyber liberties organization, the only attempted chapter of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Bruce and I have both been involved with it over the years, and I'm still on the Board of Directors. I had invited Jeremy to talk about Register2Vote, a 501c4 that's built a web-based platform (MapTheVote, https://mapthe.vote) to extend voter registration more or less organically via the social graphs of its users - the virtual equivalent of word of mouth. The system combines data about citizens, where they live, and whether they've registered to vote. Via MapTheVote, you can see who's not registered in your neighborhood. You can wander over and encourage them to register. If you're a licensed volunteer deputy registrar (VDR), you can walk your neighborhood and register people then and there. They've started with Texas, but there are plans to build out technology to support other locales. The idea is to make sure everybody has an option to vote, where registration is required. The same organization built a web app called Register2Vote (https://register2vote.org/) that makes it easy to register. Because legally, you can't register online in Texas, the app gathers the information to create and print the voter registration form, mails it to you to sign and date, and makes it easy to mail to the proper authorities. Once people register to vote, the challenge for all parties is to get their advocates to the polls. I saw during the midterms that Democrats were using an app called MiniVAN to drive their get-out-the-vote canvassing efforts. In the past, they would carry paper - lists and maps - but MiniVAN provides a list of people who voted in past Democratic primaries, along with maps, to facilitate the canvassing efforts. Here's info about that app: https://blog.ngpvan.com/team-canvassing-minivan I'm sure Republicans have something similar. Less sure how actively the Libertarian and Green parties are canvassing. The state of politics today in the US owes much to the fact that a lot of people don't vote, especially in midterms. Here's a reference: https://www.fairvote.org/voter_turnout#voter_turnout_101 ~60% vote in presidential years, ~40% for midterms. Citizen engagement is persistently relatively low, voter apathy is a problem, and more recently, vulnerability to toxic memes has driven voters to make what ill-informed decisions (understatement). I'm not sure there's a uniform definition of what it means for politics or government to "work," given the diverse and polarized opinions about what's what. But I think these uses of technology are a step in the right direction. But it's not enough to make sure everybody's voting, if they don't understand the implications of their vote. So I think the next step, behind the work that guys like Jeremy are doing, is more of a challenge: engaging and informing potential voters at all levels, cutting through the political noise and helping them to fact-based decisions. This is a US-centric post, and I appreciate that we're talking about the state of the world. I think activists in support of the American form of representative democracy, despite current evidence of its corruptability, believe that it's what's best for the rest of the world. Is that true? Are we better off driving governance with the wisdom of crowds? The Trump era's given us an opportunity to consider whether we'd rather have an authoritarian regime, and it's surprising how many US citizens are ready to go that route. Where would we be if we'd elected a more competent version of Trump? Is his administration an anomaly or a trend? And what of the ascendance of authoritarian leaders elsewhere in the world? Listening to Jeremy speak last night - a super-competent, very wise tech-savvy fair-minded hard-working person trying to make things better by making politics more fair, I was feeling hopeful.
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permalink #142 of 231: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Wed 9 Jan 19 08:14
permalink #142 of 231: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Wed 9 Jan 19 08:14
Bruce, interesting reply, and I almost referenced Pollock in my own earlier post--I remember so distinctly the moment, long ago now, when one of his canvasses transformed for me, as I looked at it, and I suddenly entered the pleasure of it, which had been closed to me until that moment. I was altered, permanently--which is one of the more central functions of art, for me: that moment when new possibilities of being fling themselves open. Not the only function, but one of them. But you were talking in your original post (the one I was answering) about a potential increased "wow" factor in watching a computer play a game of chess in which there was no longer the concept of winning at all. Think of the moves possible then! In your defense of the arbitrary's beauty, you still use the word "game." And if there's a game, there are rules that give it its pleasure. That's all I'm saying. The beauties of arbitrary or chance construction can be considerable. (As can the unbeauties.) Our brains and senses evolved to find certain experiences entrancing, and the range of those experiences is broad. The ripples of a river running over rocks is more satisfying than some ever-repeating single pattern. The predictable becomes boring, and eventually invisible. The music is called "neurofunk" because there's a connection to our neural response to it. But that wasn't what I was replying to and questioning. I understood you to be saying that the "wow" of the *chess moves* could be even larger. That particular kind of "wow" might be replaced by another kind of aesthetic pleasure--but it's no longer the wow of the chess game gaining more possibilities, when it isn't a chess game. The pattern-generating is coming from some other process. The intersection of aesthetics and decisions about how to live in our shared world and its many cultures might be an interesting area to explore. Does an increasingly non-hierarchical sense of painting and music foster cooperative corporations as a possibility, for instance? Does the aesthetic valuing of the uncharismatic object and ordinary moment, in and for itself, change our sense of what is "meaningful" in larger ways? Does the possibility of equality and tenderness between humans increase when we find the "flawed" more lovely than the "perfect"? I would wager that it does, though I doubt I'm able to make a non-intuitive case for that.
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permalink #143 of 231: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Wed 9 Jan 19 08:21
permalink #143 of 231: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Wed 9 Jan 19 08:21
Good God but that's a brilliant post, Jane, full of questions that are more interesting than any answers would be.
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permalink #144 of 231: Tom Valovic (tvacorn) Wed 9 Jan 19 09:47
permalink #144 of 231: Tom Valovic (tvacorn) Wed 9 Jan 19 09:47
Climate change has been mentioned a number of times. Its really the game changer as analysts like to say, the elephant in the room as Jane has pointed out. Allowing the mainstream media to define the semantics and the tone was probably not ideal. The term itself is a euphemism when it needs to be a powerful meme and more accurately descriptive. Margery Eagan of Boston Public Radio has suggested climate disruption which moves the needle a bit more. But I was pleased to hear Nancy Pelosi use the term climate crisis in a recent press briefing. Just a quick level set as we like to say in tech: a few things that were mentioned but will hopefully get more airtime. These are all major factors and not simple externalities in the futurist's toolbox. No picture of the future can be complete without considering them: -- CRISPR and designer babies (new cover story, Time magazine) -- The viability and ethics of brain/machine research -- Smartphones, VR and their effects on community and social cohesion -- Exit strategies from the surveillance society -- The limitations of social media and future direction Further, Im not convinced that the global/local meme is out of steam either politically or otherwise. This needs to dovetail with the climate crisis dialogue in the sense that highly disruptive events will continue to happen in local pockets thereby shifting the emphasis for remediation back to the local level. This may seem obvious but has lots of secondary implications. In Digital Mythologies I argued that tools for electronic democracy should be leveraged locally first rather than in maximum participant large tents like FB. But of course the market gravitated towards large-scale approaches that were simply more profitable. No surprise there. That said, theres a still great opportunity for more software tools to be developed that take the challenges of localism into account --- robust tools for organizing, self-help, disaster recovery, local funding and so forth. Nextdoor is a start but IMO there's a world of opportunity in this space and its puzzling that it took so long to develop.
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permalink #145 of 231: Rip Van Winkle (keta) Wed 9 Jan 19 10:44
permalink #145 of 231: Rip Van Winkle (keta) Wed 9 Jan 19 10:44
Bruce and Jane, I think what you're both trying to get regarding the game might be covered by James Carse in his Finite and Infinite Games. <https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Finite-and-Infinite-Games/James-Carse/9 781476731711> I don't have it at hand, but the difference between the two for him begins with finite games having winners and losers and infinite games being played with the point of expanding the field of available possibilities (and generating their pleasure and meaning from same).
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permalink #146 of 231: Kieran O'Neill (oneillk) Wed 9 Jan 19 11:28
permalink #146 of 231: Kieran O'Neill (oneillk) Wed 9 Jan 19 11:28
Thank you all for this discussion! I'm following along as I have for probably the last decade, and even signed up with the Well to take part. I'm very interested in the swing to "New Dark" by Bruce, and all the talk of the Dark Mountain Project and Ivan Illich, especially in a discussion led by the very founders of the Viridian Design Movement. (For what it's worth, I think these are all important sides of the environmentalist movement.) @Tom, I completely agree about the need to shift away from social media for local organisation, and I'm sure there's room for localised social media networks to aid with things like disaster recovery. That said, there are some quite mature and well-used tools for local political organisation. The community bike shop I'm involved with uses and open-source tool called CiviCRM. A great many other orgs, both large and small, use NationBuilder. Speaking locally, the tenants union in my city managed to spin up over two years from nothing into a major force in municipal politics. This was heavily aided by having their own tool for constituent engagement. So the tools exist, they've been around for nearly a decade, and they are in widespread use. And they are the exact opposite of (big) social media -- just humans contacting humans, a single, siloed database per organisation, and no algorithms trying to manipulate users' emotions. You just don't hear about them as much. Regarding CRISPR babies, He Jiankui's bumbled attempt this year was classic TED Talk/Silicon Valley/techbro hubris. There's a great article tearing apart the actual science here: http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2018/11/28/after-such-knowledge (It's still a thing on the horizon, though, for sure.)
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permalink #147 of 231: Tom Valovic (tvacorn) Wed 9 Jan 19 11:41
permalink #147 of 231: Tom Valovic (tvacorn) Wed 9 Jan 19 11:41
Excellent Kieran. Good to know and thanks for pointing that out. I hope they gain more mind share and traction going forward.
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permalink #148 of 231: Matthew Battles (jonl) Wed 9 Jan 19 14:36
permalink #148 of 231: Matthew Battles (jonl) Wed 9 Jan 19 14:36
Via email from Matthew Battles: I'm struck by the sense that an AlphaZero game is the 2D shadow of something happening in a multi-dimensional space. This is an aesthetic of shadows, a light-show aesthetic; we've come back to the shadows dancing on the wall of the cave.
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permalink #149 of 231: Pamela McCorduck (pamela) Wed 9 Jan 19 15:03
permalink #149 of 231: Pamela McCorduck (pamela) Wed 9 Jan 19 15:03
Nicely put, Natthew Battles. AlphaZero is a champion at two-person games where all information is known. Breathtaking, in its limited way. Life is not two-person, nor is all information known.
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permalink #150 of 231: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Thu 10 Jan 19 00:51
permalink #150 of 231: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Thu 10 Jan 19 00:51
"Life is not two-person, nor is all information known." *Thats entirely true, Pamela, and yet deep-learner AIs can beat the crap out of people in games that have lots of human players and also big random and hidden elements. Doesnt seem to be any deal-breaker for 'em; Deep Minds other engines cant play Capture the Flag as well as their AlphaZero engine plays chess, but they can play it quite well, and even brag about it in the ol blog here. https://deepmind.com/blog/capture-the-flag/ *Bots, even pretty modest and simple ones, can play all kinds of video games that are formally impossible to solve, computer-science wise. https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/29/a-look-back-at-some-of-ais-biggest-video-ga me-wins-in-2018/ *There are even people who enjoy watching AIs playing multiplayer shoot-em-up games on social media. *I can remember when it seemed a little weird that people would passively watch a role-paying game rather than participating in it, but now Twitch is major-league media. There are armies of sports fans on the couch for sports that are played on the couch. Makes you wonder, eh? https://www.twitch.tv
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