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permalink #101 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sat 9 Jan 21 22:39
permalink #101 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sat 9 Jan 21 22:39
re: <84> remember that a forum or social network doesn't need any mobile apps at all. A website will do. Browsers are getting more capable all the time. It's nice for engagement, though. Does anyone know how much Parler's mobile apps were used versus their website? Browsers do have built-in content-blocking, but so far it's for malware and various annoyances. The major browser vendors haven't used it to block any websites for hate speech, I don't think? There are a lot of moves and counter-moves here, depending on their technical chops and persistence. Sci-Hub gets the worst of it due to copyright law but it seems they're hanging in there? But assuming they survive from a technical standpoint, they will then face the internal contradictions of a mostly-unmoderated forum that takes a free-speech stance. It seems hard to make a forum attractive to more than adolescents when you have lots of people gleefully posting garbage and are also ideologically opposed to doing anything about it? Trump would probably consider it low-class. I wonder a bit what the Free Republic is up to, but not enough to check it out.
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permalink #102 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 01:18
permalink #102 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 01:18
<bslesins> My unchecked understanding is that Parler users are primarily mobile. But I don't know why users couldn't sustain their activity via the web interface, assuming they have hosting. (I heard earlier that AWS was ending their hosting relationship.)
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permalink #103 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 01:51
permalink #103 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 01:51
Our "State of the World" conversation in 2021 is US-centric, our attention focused on the emerging, so far mostly cold civil war in the USA. As Bruce says, there's a blizzard in Spain, the polar vortex is outta whack. As I type this Pakistan is dark, a power outage. Covid-19 is spiking in China and elsewhere in the world, and an Indonesian Sriwijaya Air flight has crashed into the Java Sea. Kim Jong-Un is crowing about boosting North Korea's nuclear capability - not unusual for that guy, though. But the USA has everyone beat. Trumpistan has come to a head, explosively. Trump has seized and leveraged wild political energies that no one had taken seriously before, and given power to movements that politics had largely ignored, like the crazy cousin that nobody wanted to admit was part of the family. And there was a viral mainstreaming of crazy over the last few years, spreading in much the way we've seen Covid spreading. The disease is a metaphor for the psychic disturbance. And I don't mean to be dismissive: this wouldn't be happening if those crazy energies didn't resonate with something in the sould of America. But we're in uncharted waters here: we had one Civil War, and a history of contention, but nothing quite as wild as we're seeing today. What woke me up in the middle of the night (it's 3:30AM here) was a thought about the upcoming inauguration. It probably should be held in some bunker, but I don't think that's going to happen. My fear, given the storming of the Capitol and rumblings within Trumpistan since that event, is that thousands of armed insurrectionists will show up for the inauguration. And that, aided by sympathetic law enforcement and military, they'll storm whatever barricades are erected there. How far will they go? Of course, those planning the inauguration are thinking about this, too: <https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/07/inauguration-security-capitol-siege-4 56244> 'You can imagine the inauguration will have Fort Knox-level security, with just the people who need to be there,' a source close to Biden told POLITICO after the mobs stormed the Capitol." Reassuring? I'm still uneasy about it.
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permalink #104 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 21 04:18
permalink #104 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 21 04:18
<scribbled by bruces Sun 10 Jan 21 04:19>
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permalink #105 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 21 04:22
permalink #105 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 21 04:22
Meanwhile, on Parler #Trump2Q2Q #Q #1A #2A #KAG #HCQ #1776 #Parler #MAGA #RedPill #QAnon 
#VoterID #Rumble #Patriots #Treason #Kracken 
#NoMasks #FUCKblm #PedoGate #FightBack #Revolution #GODWINS #PizzaGate #ProudBOYS #TrumpWon 
#TrumpTrain #VoterFraud #ChemTrails #LockHerUp 
#FuckWOKE #FUCKantifa #WWG1WGA #ObamaGate #AmericaFirst 
#911InsideJob #WeThePeople 
#STOPtheSteal #FUCKtheNWO #SupportTrump #Adrenochrome #DigitalSoldiers #ElectionFRAUD #PatriotsUNITED #MarchForTrump #GoogleExposed #BikersForTrump 
#ResistTheReset #MarchForTrump #DrainTheRINOS #DrainTheSwamp 
#SaveOurChildren #BigTechMonopoly #BidenCrimeFamily #TruckersForTrump 
#MailinFraudBallots #ClintonCrimeFamily #ThesePeopleAreEvil 
#TheGreatAwakening #WeAreTheNewsNOW #Trump2Q2QLandslide 
#DemocratCriminalCabal 
@theproudboys @teamtrump
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permalink #106 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 21 04:23
permalink #106 of 250: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 21 04:23
The richest people in the world, 2021 AD 1. Elon Musk 2. Jeff Bezos 3. Bill Gates 4. Bernard Arnault 5. Mark Zuckerberg 6. Zhong Shanshan 7. Warren Buffett 8. Larry Page 9. Sergey Brin 10. Larry Ellison 11. Steve Ballmer 12. F. Bettencourt Meyers 13. Mukesh Ambani
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permalink #107 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 10 Jan 21 05:43
permalink #107 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 10 Jan 21 05:43
Cory I think you're completely right about the duplicitousness of that stated reason, and how it obscures both the true reasoning and the technical difficulties involved in moderating these platforms (not to mention the cost in trauma to human moderators). Figuring out the limits of responsible social media is crucial and to do that we need clear terminology and honesty about the practicality of it. (also, I cannot get over the audacity of Hawley wanting to title a book "The Tyranny of Big Tech," both because of the use of tyranny for something other than what he enables and because of all the excellent, rigorous existing scholarship on the question.) Amid all this deplatforming joy, though, I come back to Fox News and talk radio. Yes, there are specific dangers to social media platforms, particularly in terms of organizing. But in terms of size of audience and initial brainscrubbing, Fox and Rush et al must be at least as culpable and dangerous. Moreover, figuring out how to regulate or moderate television might be a useful step in doing the same for social media. How do you determine what is hate speech on talk radio, or more importantly what might not qualify as hate speech but forms a long-term project of disassociation and brainwashing, could provide some parameters? I tend to lean towards structural considerations to begin with: looking at the corporate architecture that allows for coordinated echoes on seemingly different platforms and insulates the people making the money from the damage they do. But what about responsibility for actual content, at a minimum for content labelled "news"?
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permalink #108 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 10 Jan 21 06:50
permalink #108 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 10 Jan 21 06:50
Meanwhile, I keep coming back to that quote from the Georgia call (so, so long ago), in which the evidence for the claim of voting fraud was the size of the rallies. It's obviously ludicrous to extrapolate that many orders of magnitude, but it still brings us back to Jon's point at the beginning about lived vs mediated experience, and people's ability and willingness to grasp the kinds of orders of magnitude involved in national voting (or national vaccination, or anything else).
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permalink #109 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 06:58
permalink #109 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 06:58
In the mid-1980s I met former FCC Commissioner Nicholas Johnson at a party. He was expressing his concern about the evolution of media control of the political sphere, pretty much predicting what became reality: the impact of talk radio and political media organizations like Fox News and MSNBC. His concerns were about big media consolidation and the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine, which still existed but was eliminated soon after. I.e. he was prescient. Nobody was talking about the Internet as a media platform back then, and social media wasn't on the radar (except maybe with somebody like McLuhan - I recall studying in the early 70s about McLuhan's "media matrix" concept). The elimination of the Fairness Doctrine is a long and interesting story: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine> "The Fairness Doctrine has been strongly opposed by prominent conservatives and libertarians who view it as an attack on First Amendment rights and property rights." People who call themselves "conservatives" have used media power and political manipulation to take and hold power in decades since, culminating in the election as president of a corrupt developer and game show host who, despite being self-serving and apolitical, aligned himself with their interests. And one of their strategies is to claim that the various forms of media disfavor them, so they can eliminate any egalitarian controls that might work against their interests. Hence complaints about "liberal media bias." I mention this to support Malka's last post. And Cory's position that what appears to be an issue with "media" or "big tech" should really be addressed as a problem of monopoly and consolidation. I realize this post is pretty dry. I may be losing my sense of humor. <grin>
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permalink #110 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 10 Jan 21 07:07
permalink #110 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 10 Jan 21 07:07
oh .... we were supposed to be funny?
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permalink #111 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 07:10
permalink #111 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 07:10
Not necessarily, but this is kind of funny: Clarence Thomas is trending on Twitter. His wife Ginni was apparently involved with the Capitol-storming MAGA mob in some way, so people are calling for him to step down. And suggesting that he be replaced with Anita Hill.
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permalink #112 of 250: mbrubaker (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 07:33
permalink #112 of 250: mbrubaker (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 07:33
Via email from mbrubaker: Since we're on big tech, here's an article showing Amazon, Facebook, and Google's (among others) contributions to the Republican Attorneys General Association, whose ~Rule of Law Defense Fund~ placed robocalls to mobilize attendees for Wednesday's rally: <https://documented.net/2021/01/republican-attorneys-general-dark-money-group-o rganized-protest-preceding-capitol-mob-attack/>
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permalink #113 of 250: George Mokray (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 07:35
permalink #113 of 250: George Mokray (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 07:35
Via email from George Mokray: "And any one person's perception of reality should be taken with a block of salt. One of the words I am trying to eliminate from my vocabulary is truth. Its too big a concept to get my arms around and entirely dependent upon perspective and point of view. What you see is determined by where you stand and how good your eyes are. I am comfortable with only a carpenters truth - when something is straight, level, and plumb, then it is true. Other words I am wary of include honor, hope, and, increasingly, deserve. And, after nearly 40 years of practicing martial arts, Im pissed off about the continuous use of fight, fighting, and all war references while talking about confronting problems or setting policy. These words set up a conflict with an enemy when actually neither conflict nor enemy may be there. COVID19 is not in conflict with the humans it infects and is not an enemy because its not even really alive or capable of thought or even aware of us except for maybe the ACE-2 receptors on our cells. We have confused the literary trick of the pathetic fallacy with whats happening around us. For instance, when I hear someone say, Oh, its terrible day because the weather is stormy or cold or wet or all three, I sometimes respond with You shouldnt take the weather personally. It has no idea who you are. Lew Welch, the poet, wrote: Why do women take everything personally? Oh, I never do, she replied. Lew Welch was a mid-20th century Beatnik poet sexist and its not just women who take everything personally. We all do. After all, were persons. Its the only way we can take things. At least, at first. PS: Lew Welch is a very, very good poet who still has important things to say to us.
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permalink #114 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 07:56
permalink #114 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 07:56
Science fiction author Christopher Brown, a friend I met through our mutual acquaintance with <bruces>, posts regular observations of the natural world in his "Field Notes." From his most recent: "Its a heartening thing, seeing a swath of country beginning to go back to wild after a century and a half of agricultural subjugation. Its a sobering thing, when you consider the extent to which those changes to more leisurely uses of the land reflect the slow-motion failure of the family farm-based economic system on which the country was founded. And the cultural consequences, as the townships into which the land was carved by the surveyors in the 1840s for settlement by pioneers and veterans become the playgrounds of wealthy people from elsewhere. Good for the land, bad for the people." <https://edgelands.substack.com/p/midwinter-in-the-tropic-of-kansas>
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permalink #115 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 10 Jan 21 08:47
permalink #115 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 10 Jan 21 08:47
dont kid yourself, the abstract nouns are going to get away with it again, not a single abstract noun is going to face jail time - @literalbanana The words right and accountable are on my personal suspicious characters list, and Im also suspicious of adjectives for promoting binary thinking. But social media is built on hyperbole. Many people communicate in clickbait headlines these days. Tweets get shared for their wit and imitation takes it from there. Speaking in blanket statements and stereotypes is very woke. I guess we should talk about the spread of misinformation? We often talk about memes going viral, but this year I have decided to take the viral metaphor seriously. Thinking like an amateur epidemiologist, R for most social networks is enormous and instant resharing makes the exponential growth hard to keep up with. I sometimes wonder if introducing some delay to when a reshared meme appears in followers timelines might slow things down enough for the fact-checkers to have a chance of keeping up with the nonsense. With all the super-spreaders its going to be hard to move the numbers much, though.
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permalink #116 of 250: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sun 10 Jan 21 12:38
permalink #116 of 250: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sun 10 Jan 21 12:38
<jonl>, Ginni Thomas is said to have sponsored (paid for?) 80 buses that brought "demonstrators" to DC for Trump's rally. I guess it's not just Soros any more. <https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/9/2007521/-Ginni-Thomas-Aiding-Abettin g-the-Capitol-Insurrection>
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permalink #117 of 250: Gary Gach (ggg) Sun 10 Jan 21 14:11
permalink #117 of 250: Gary Gach (ggg) Sun 10 Jan 21 14:11
When I grew up, America was the greatest country in motion picture history. In just 4 years, it's become a country with television as its president, and, just skimming the Bruce's hashtag harvest, one of the weirdest in social media history. If any truth & reconciliation process is to go forward, thru what media shall it be? Neighborhood town halls with local plus big tech sponsors? If so, I'm down with that, and happy to organize in my city whenever that might be in the offing. Any ideas ?
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permalink #118 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 10 Jan 21 14:14
permalink #118 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 10 Jan 21 14:14
It seems Parler is having more trouble. Deadline quotes the CEO from an interview on Fox News: > They made an attempt to not only kill the app, but to actually destroy the entire company. And its not just these three companies. Every vendor from text message services to email providers to our lawyers all ditched us too on the same day. > Were going to try our best to get back online as quickly as possible. But were having a lot of trouble because every vendor we talk to says they wont work with us. Because if Apple doesnt approve and Google doesnt approve, they wont. https://deadline.com/2021/01/parler-ceo-says-service-dropped-by-every-vendor-a nd-could-end-the-company-1234670607/
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permalink #119 of 250: those Andropovian bongs (rik) Sun 10 Jan 21 15:01
permalink #119 of 250: those Andropovian bongs (rik) Sun 10 Jan 21 15:01
I'm having trouble geing upset. Rebeckah Mercer can afford the hit.
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permalink #120 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 10 Jan 21 15:24
permalink #120 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 10 Jan 21 15:24
Stripe Stops Processing Payments for Trump Campaign Website https://www.wsj.com/articles/stripe-stops-processing-payments-for-trump-campai gn-website-11610319116 Shopify too. I wonder if any actual banks will pile on?
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permalink #121 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 10 Jan 21 15:26
permalink #121 of 250: Malka Older (malka) Sun 10 Jan 21 15:26
Seeing that PGA is apparently removing golf tournaments from the comemierda's golf courses, which brings me back to our earlier discussion about companies and brands. I am thinking about "soft power" as unconnected to nationality - since the nation-state is not the most useful level of analysis for most of our conflicts today anyway. In a situation where the institutions and norms of formal authority have eroded, is the soft power of being excluded from events of cultural significance; losing followers; being criticized at restaurants; being mocked by brand social media managers; more powerful (certainly quicker) than formal censure?
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permalink #122 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 10 Jan 21 18:14
permalink #122 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 10 Jan 21 18:14
> 9. Cyberwar; global tension, destablilization, confusion and and unrest. I went to check what's going on with Solarwinds and didn't find much that's new, but this seems worth bringing up: WikiLeaks successor DDoSecrets has amassed a controversial new collection of corporate secrets and is sharing them in the name of transparency. https://www.wired.com/story/ddosecrets-ransomware-leaks/ > Beyond just encrypting victim machines and demanding a payment for the decryption keys, ransomware hackers now often steal vast collections of victim data and threaten to post it online unless their hacking targets pay. In many cases, the victims refuse that extortion, and the cybercriminals follow through on their threat. The result is dozens or even hundreds of terabytes of internal corporate data, spilled out onto dark web servers whose web addresses are passed around among hackers and security researchers. [...] > In June of this year [2020], DDoSecrets published its own bombshell collection of hacked documents, a massive collection of law enforcement files known as BlueLeaks, given to the group by a hacker associated with Anonymous. The 269-gigabyte collection of documents from 200 state and local police organizations led Twitter to ban the DDoSecrets account and even block all tweets containing links to its website. Reddit banned the r/blueleaks subreddit. Shortly afterward, German prosecutors in the town of Zwickau ordered police to seize a server belonging to DDoSecrets that hosted many of its files and the search engine for its data collection, a significant setback for the group from which it's still working to recover. It now plans to host its data on Tor-protected .onion sites that hide the location of servers, making such seizures far more difficult in the future. > Despite those hurdles, DDoSecrets remains undeterred in its larger mission. With its new ransomware trove, it's also tapped into a huge new source of leaks. Just last year, more than 1,000 ransomware victims had their data spilled onto dark web sites, according to Recorded Future's Liska. He estimates that one year of ransomware leaks alone adds up to between 100 and 200 terabytes of stolen data posted to various dark web sites.
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permalink #123 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 10 Jan 21 18:36
permalink #123 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 10 Jan 21 18:36
The talk about abolishing police seems to have died down for some reason? Maybe we're clearer now on why we need them, but contradictions remain and it's still a huge mess. I am a bit vague on Buzzfeed's reliability but this is quite the story: Two Black officers told BuzzFeed News that their chief and other upper management left them totally unprepared and were nowhere to be found on the day. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmanuelfelton/black-capitol-police-racis m-mob > The officer even described coming face to face with police officers from across the country in the mob. He said some of them flashed their badges, telling him to let them through, and trying to explain that this was all part of a movement that was supposed to help. > You have the nerve to be holding a blue lives matter flag, and you are out there fucking us up, he told one group of protestors he encountered inside the Capitol. [One guy] pulled out his badge and he said, were doing this for you. Another guy had his badge. So I was like, well, you gotta be kidding. > Another officer, a newer recruit, echoed these sentiments, saying that where he was on the steps to the rotunda on the east side of the Capitol, he was engaged in hand-to-hand battles trying to fight the attackers off. But he said they were outnumbered 10 to one, and described extraordinary scenes in which protesters holding Blue Lives Matter flags launched themselves at police officers. > We were telling them to back up and get away and stop, and theyre telling us, they are on our side, and theyre doing this for us, and theyre saying this as Im getting punched in my face by one of them That happened to a lot of us. We were getting pepper sprayed in the face by those protesters, I'm not going to even call them protestors, by those domestic terrorists, said the officer.
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permalink #124 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 10 Jan 21 19:49
permalink #124 of 250: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 10 Jan 21 19:49
Now the banks are piling on too. Goldman, JPMorgan, Citi Suspend Political Donations https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-10/marriott-suspends-donations -to-senators-who-opposed-vote-result > Goldman is still formulating its measures that will probably curtail future political giving to the elected leaders who fought to overturn the 2020 result. A representative for the firm confirmed the plan. JPMorgan, the largest U.S. bank by assets, said its planning a six-month suspension to both Republicans and Democrats. Citigroup said it intends to temporarily stop all political contributions in the current quarter. [...] > The action from the banks followed an earlier announcement from Marriott International Inc., which said it will suspend donations to Republican senators who voted against certifying President-elect Joe Biden, after considering the destructive events on Wednesday. [...] > Marriott is closely tied to Utah Senator Mitt Romney, a former board member and a vocal critic of Trump. Romneys connection to Marriott predates his service on the board: his given name, Willard, was in honor of J. Willard Marriott, a friend of the 2012 Republican presidential nominees father and founder of the hotel company. If youre wondering whether corporations control everything, this is... probably not a good test? It seems like they are being reactive, following election and riot results here? I wonder if they will close any accounts? I guess the QAnon conspiracy theorists spin faster? Or is it just more raw material? I feel like Im posting too much. Sorry about that, Ill take a break.
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permalink #125 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 20:43
permalink #125 of 250: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 21 20:43
It's good info, our challenge is to make sense of it. There appears to be a fine line between "we're doing this in the interest of transparency" and "we really want to fuck you up." And there also appears to be a fine line between "we're doing this to help you" and "we're here to burn it down."
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