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permalink #51 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Thu 16 Sep 21 22:03
permalink #51 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Thu 16 Sep 21 22:03
Victoria Kincaid is her pen name. It is awfully good, isn't it? I also want to get in a recommendation for how funny MR. DARCY CAME TO DINNER is. If you've ever read or seen THE MAN WHO CAME TO DINNER, you might have a good idea of what it's about.
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permalink #52 of 118: Ian Scattergood (scatts) Fri 17 Sep 21 09:35
permalink #52 of 118: Ian Scattergood (scatts) Fri 17 Sep 21 09:35
Well, we were invited to come and ask questions no matter how inexpert we are on the subject so here goes. Looking at JAFF as a whole as well as this book in particular, how much writing is devoted to either a) filling holes left by Jane Austen (heaven forbid there should indeed be any!) or b) prequels and sequels to JAs novels? Or does the vast majority fall into the category of reimagining her characters and taking them to new and exciting places?
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permalink #53 of 118: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Fri 17 Sep 21 09:53
permalink #53 of 118: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Fri 17 Sep 21 09:53
I'm curious if you ever thought of taking a swing through a land-based story with Jack Aubrey and Stephen Maturin.
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permalink #54 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Fri 17 Sep 21 19:42
permalink #54 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Fri 17 Sep 21 19:42
>52 hey Ian, thanks for the question! I would not say Jane left "holes." But the act of telling a story about a group of characters, by its very nature, involves deciding what to tell and what to leave out. This is a matter of authorial priorities. For example, it wasn't important to Jane to tell us more about what happened to Lydia and Wickham after they got married and went off to Newcastle. But some of us might have wondered about it. So the writer Catherine Curzon and the actor Adrian Lukis (who played Wickham in the classic 1995 BBC/A&E adaptation of P&P) got together and created a one-man show called BEING MR. WICKHAM, which premiered in the late spring of 2020 at the Theatre Royal Bury St. Edmunds. It was tremendous. I watched two livestreamed performances. He was so perfect and the script itself was brilliant. Wickham is much more interesting at age 60 than he was at 30. Jane also made certain choices in telling the canonical story of P&P, which is a great story. But naturally there is a lot of curiosity about the various what-ifs, and books like mine exist to satisfy that thirst for slight variations on the stories (I say stories, plural, although the vast majority of JAFF relates to P&P). One of the books I referenced above, SEASONS OF WAITING, takes off from one pivotal moment near the end of P&P. In canon, Lady Catherine goes to visit Elizabeth and investigate whether she is engaged to Darcy (which she isn't, yet), and finding out that she is not, to demand her promise that she never would accept him. She refuses to make this commitment and Lady C goes back to London, calls on Darcy in a huff, and tells him the story of her visit to Elizabeth, expecting him to be outraged at Elizabeth's cheek in refusing to forswear him. Instead, as he says to Elizabeth later, "It taught me to hope" that perhaps she would say yes if he asked her a second time. SEASONS OF WAITING takes off from that moment. Lady Catherine lies to Darcy, and tells him that Elizabeth swore she would never have him. Disheartened by this news, Darcy avoids Hertfordshire for more than 20 years. He refuses to attend Bingley's wedding to Elizabeth's sister Jane, and eventually marries his cousin Anne (Lady C's daughter), as Lady C desired. It's a remarkable book. There are a lot of what-ifs. That's what the whole JAFF genre is based on.
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permalink #55 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Fri 17 Sep 21 19:50
permalink #55 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Fri 17 Sep 21 19:50
>53 hi Elaine, Here is where I confess that I have never read any of the Aubrey/Maturin books. I have several friends who are devoted to them, and I have had the first title downloaded to my Kindle for a few years now, but I have never read it. I know I should! Now a question for you: do you think that there are enough what-ifs in MASTER AND COMMANDER and its sequels to create good fan fiction? I checked out of curiosity; there are just under 500 stories on AO3, and only 23 on fan fiction.net, compared with 5400 P&P stories on AO3 and almost 1300 on fan fiction.net. And beyond that, do you think there are enough readers who would actually pay to read it?
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permalink #56 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Fri 17 Sep 21 20:49
permalink #56 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Fri 17 Sep 21 20:49
Hey Vard, P&P is a masterpiece, and I can easily see it spawing fan fiction. (I got a Quora question from someone who shortens 'fan fiction' right down to 'fic) but I'm surprised that the JAFF would be so thoroughly devoted to Pride and Prejudice. Why? Or rather, why not the other works, too?
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permalink #57 of 118: Ian Scattergood (scatts) Fri 17 Sep 21 23:38
permalink #57 of 118: Ian Scattergood (scatts) Fri 17 Sep 21 23:38
Thanks Stephanie and Ill line up just one more question; can you tell us more about your writing process? Do you have a special place where you go to write, do you reserve a special time of day to write, how did you deal with writers block if you had any, did you use a laptop or pen and paper, did you set out the whole book and then write or just dove in and made it up as you went along, any other tips and tricks for people who might be thinking about writing a book?
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permalink #58 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sat 18 Sep 21 13:10
permalink #58 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sat 18 Sep 21 13:10
>57 hey Ian, that varies according to the circumstances and where I am. As you know, I live in Portland, Oregon. In January 2014 my husband Mike joined the Obama administration and moved from our house in Portland to Alexandria, Virginia, where he remained through July 2019 (due in part to the incompetence of the next guy, who didn't get around to firing Mike's boss until the spring of that year). Mike tended to spend most of August of each year with me in Portland, but at other times I was home alone, or would sometimes go and stay with him for three or four weeks at a time. I have my own law practice and I teach in the University of Oregon's business school during the fall term each year. So depending upon how busy I was with my practice and also whether I was teaching, I would have various amounts of time available for creative writing from day to day. I'm not as disciplined as I should be. Because it's not my principal profession, I don't make a big point of writing every day, and there are whole weeks when I don't. But I have three or four books going at any one time, so if I hit a wall with one of them (and I often do), I can usually make progress on one or more of the others at any time when I feel I can sit down and write. I write on a laptop. To write TCB, I sat down with just an idea (literally, the idea of the colonel's brother showing up and liking Elizabeth before needing to leave for some reason) and let the story take me where it wanted to go. (This is called pantsing in writing lingo, as in "making decisions by the seat of my pants.") With the other books I am working on, I have done more outlining and planning. I think it will be helpful as I work my way through them. I've also done some writing workshops to try to get better at story structure. I am pretty good at writing scenes, but weaker on the connective tissue / structure that holds stories together, and I have made a point of seeking help for that. Just a few weeks ago I took a ten hour workshop with the "Save the Cat!" organization, which originated in screenwriting but offers help with all kinds of creative writing. The schtick of "Save the Cat!" is that most great stories contain the same 15 tentpoles/pivot points, called "beats," in their three act structure, and so one of the things I do now is try to nail down in advance what the various plot beats are for each story before I get too far into writing it. This has helped me a lot, especially with the non-JAFF thing I'm working on, since I don't have Jane's story structure to lean on. I had bought a book called SAVE THE CAT! WRITES A NOVEL, and that was good, but I found that the workshop (with actual live teaching and feedback) was far more useful for me. I would say, if you are thinking about writing a book, don't let the idea of WRITING A BOOK intimidate you or put you off. If you can make an outline, that's great. Do it. If you are not ready to make an outline, make a folder (real or virtual) and just write down each scene or idea for a scene or bit of dialogue that comes to you. Keep them all together. When you create a new one, reread the others, just to keep them fresh in your mind. Take a moment to think about how they might work together. Make a note about that too. I mostly write in MS Word. I do own Scrivener, and after a few years of being hopelessly stymied by it I did figure it out, and it has a lot of advantages. But I still mostly write in Word. You can use Scrivener to organize your outline / beats and figure out where each scene goes. Even if you write the scenes in Word you can copy/paste them into Scrivener. AND HAVE GOOD BACKUPS! If you write in longhand, scan or use your phone camera to snap every page, in case you lose your notebook. Otherwise, just use computer backup tools. I keep everything in Dropbox so I can retrieve it from anywhere and work from anywhere.
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permalink #59 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sat 18 Sep 21 13:27
permalink #59 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sat 18 Sep 21 13:27
>56 I think this is mostly about Darcy, to be honest. There is something about him that makes him an extremely compelling romantic hero, and there is something about Elizabeth that makes her an extremely engaging heroine. Some of it is about the 1995 BBC/A&E miniseries adaptation, which made Colin Firth into a huge star and introduced P&P to a new generation of readers (and future writers). In some cases it was the 2005 movie of P&P that made the difference. I can tell, often, reading JAFF, which version the writer is carrying around in their head. (It does not seem too many people were inspired by the 1940 motion picture starring Laurence Olivier and Greer Garson, which is hilariously bad.) There are some very good mashups. I really enjoyed one called SNOWBOUND AT HARTFIELD, which brings the Darcys together with the Knightleys, the Elliots, and some other beloved Austen characters. And I've read fan fiction based on EMMA and SENSE AND SENSIBILITY and even NORTHANGER ABBEY too, and enjoyed some of it a lot. So it's out there, but Darcy is definitely the man JAFF readers want to read about.
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permalink #60 of 118: Ian Scattergood (scatts) Sat 18 Sep 21 14:48
permalink #60 of 118: Ian Scattergood (scatts) Sat 18 Sep 21 14:48
Thanks again!
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permalink #61 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sat 18 Sep 21 16:07
permalink #61 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sat 18 Sep 21 16:07
Yes, thanks. Here's a question: how about a book based in baseball?
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permalink #62 of 118: With catlike tread (sumac) Sat 18 Sep 21 20:22
permalink #62 of 118: With catlike tread (sumac) Sat 18 Sep 21 20:22
How are JAFF books generally available? If I wanted to read SEASONS OF WAITING, for example, would my library be able to get it? As for Georgette Heyer, she's not Jane Austen, but she was an amazing researcher of the Regency period, so much so that some "Regency Romances" appear to be full of undigested hunks of her research, particularly when it comes to clothing. GH spent time studying the fashion periodicals of the day, whereas most later writers appear to have spent time studying GH instead. Her book about Waterloo, has been claimed to be "one of the most historically accurate and vividly narrated descriptions of the Battle". As someone who read a lot of GH as a kid, I was amazed to find homage to her work (lightly disguised) in some of the science fiction of Lois McMaster Bujold -- who's a fan. Enough of GH -- I have not yet gotten my hands on TCB. About to sen email. I can't wait.
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permalink #63 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sat 18 Sep 21 20:48
permalink #63 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sat 18 Sep 21 20:48
>62 I have heard several people praise Heyer for her research and level of authenticity. I will take another whack at her. Some JAFF is commercially published. Sourcebooks used to publish a lot of it. These days most JAFF is self-published via Kindle Direct Publishing; it's almost all available in paperback, in addition to Kindle purchases and Kindle Unlimited. Already I can see that the majority of my royalties are coming from Kindle Unlimited. Amazon gives KDP authors a ton of data, and so for example I know that as of this moment TCB has achieved just over 320,000 pages read since publication. Having said all that, I just checked Amazon and SEASONS OF WAITING is available only as an e-book. If your library acquires KDP e-books, you can get it from them. If they don't, you will have to read the e-book, and Amazon is, I believe, the only place you can get it. I will send Christina Morland a note and ask her if she ever intends to publish a paper version, and I'll let you know what she says. I will just say that you won't regret reading it. It's so well done.
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permalink #64 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sat 18 Sep 21 20:51
permalink #64 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sat 18 Sep 21 20:51
>61 I think I have read at least one JAFF with a baseball setting, but there's no reason I couldn't write another one. I don't remember any of the details but I could swear I have read one. I already have several ideas for how it could work. I will dedicate it to you, <paulbel>, if I ever write it!
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permalink #65 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sun 19 Sep 21 10:54
permalink #65 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sun 19 Sep 21 10:54
<3 Can't wait. but I wasn't just thinking of a JAFF baseball book. I was wondering if you'd write any book on baseball - non-fiction or fic.
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permalink #66 of 118: With catlike tread (sumac) Sun 19 Sep 21 11:07
permalink #66 of 118: With catlike tread (sumac) Sun 19 Sep 21 11:07
Let me know if you want any GH recommendations -- some are more potboilery than others. But back to Jane Austen and Stephanie Vale! I will surely have more to say once I get my hands on TCB... Did you have difficulty getting the voice you wanted?
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permalink #67 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sun 19 Sep 21 14:53
permalink #67 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sun 19 Sep 21 14:53
>65 Hmmm. Does the world need another baseball book? People sometimes ask me if I am going to write a memoir and I really struggle with the idea. It seems presumptuous to me. I know other people, some much younger than I am, do write them, but I can't get there. The closest I ever get is telling war stories at legal conferences. My profession is a big part of the challenge -- lawyers have a profound duty to protect the confidential information of their clients! I'm not sure I could write a book about baseball or any other part of my career without skating too close to that. I promise you I have some stories that would curl your hair. And to the extent they do not involve client information, someday I might tell them more widely. But I don't feel attracted to writing that kind of book. I *am* kicking around an idea for a novel that takes place inside the headquarters of the world's biggest fictional brand of running shoes. A comic novel, I think. We'll see.
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permalink #68 of 118: With catlike tread (sumac) Sun 19 Sep 21 15:17
permalink #68 of 118: With catlike tread (sumac) Sun 19 Sep 21 15:17
That sounds promising!
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permalink #69 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sun 19 Sep 21 15:42
permalink #69 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sun 19 Sep 21 15:42
Oooh, you mean Samothrace Footwear? Cool!
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permalink #70 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sun 19 Sep 21 19:11
permalink #70 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sun 19 Sep 21 19:11
>66 That's a great question. I have worked very hard to achieve the voice I wanted. Reading a lot of Jane, rereading P&P specifically, then reading some JAFF I admire, to get the right words and tone ricocheting around in my head -- that all helped, I think. I think of it as creating the proper wallpaper for my virtual writing room! Hiring an editor who is very experienced in Austenesque fiction was also WAY helpful, because she was able to give me a lot of comments that got me thinking in a different way about what I was doing with language. Reading aloud is good too. It is an entirely different experience than reading silently, and is good for figuring out issues with the voice you're using. Even just the 9 or 10 minutes we read aloud on the monthly JAFF Zooms is helpful because you are reading to some people who are just steeped in the genre and who are also very kind and helpful with their comments. (Reading aloud is also great for finding certain kinds of typos and other mistakes.)
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permalink #71 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sun 19 Sep 21 19:50
permalink #71 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sun 19 Sep 21 19:50
>69 Something along those lines. But not Samothrace. Something a little more subtle than that, I hope.
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permalink #72 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sun 19 Sep 21 23:13
permalink #72 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sun 19 Sep 21 23:13
Wingz, then. :-)
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permalink #73 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Mon 20 Sep 21 14:23
permalink #73 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Mon 20 Sep 21 14:23
I have something much better than that in mind. Pithy and graphically interesting. And I have a few bits of plot floating around in the back of my mind.
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permalink #74 of 118: With catlike tread (sumac) Mon 20 Sep 21 14:36
permalink #74 of 118: With catlike tread (sumac) Mon 20 Sep 21 14:36
Ooooh. Just write it.
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permalink #75 of 118: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Mon 20 Sep 21 17:08
permalink #75 of 118: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Mon 20 Sep 21 17:08
On Patrick O'Brian, I think anything written with the characters on the sea would sell very well, but would be quite difficult to write with the technical/historical knowledge involve. That's probably the reason why fan fic has not proliferated. On land, the problem is a little simpler. Jack Aubrey is completely in command of his element in a ship; much less so on land, where he is hopelessly naive. There are some gaps in the series where the story could be amplified - the death of Nelson, for instance. And some characters on land that beg for more page space: Louisa Wogan, for example.
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