inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #76 of 118: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Mon 20 Sep 21 17:09
permalink #76 of 118: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Mon 20 Sep 21 17:09
You'd need a ready supply of 18th century malapropisms and bad puns though, be warned~!
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #77 of 118: With catlike tread (sumac) Mon 20 Sep 21 19:33
permalink #77 of 118: With catlike tread (sumac) Mon 20 Sep 21 19:33
Always the danger that the research is so much fun that the writing never happens.
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #78 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Mon 20 Sep 21 21:30
permalink #78 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Mon 20 Sep 21 21:30
>77 That's always a risk for me. Since you offered, <sumac>, I own four Heyer books in my Kindle. They are The Unknown Ajax The Grand Sophy The Black Moth Friday's Child Do you particularly recommend any of these for me to try next?
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #79 of 118: With catlike tread (sumac) Tue 21 Sep 21 13:43
permalink #79 of 118: With catlike tread (sumac) Tue 21 Sep 21 13:43
Mmm, The Grand Sophy, then The Unknown Ajax.
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #80 of 118: Gail Williams (gail) Tue 21 Sep 21 14:24
permalink #80 of 118: Gail Williams (gail) Tue 21 Sep 21 14:24
Drifting over to the promotional side of your book project, are you doing any readings, signings, or other in-person or online events for readers and potential readers? Any other strategies?
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #81 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Tue 21 Sep 21 14:28
permalink #81 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Tue 21 Sep 21 14:28
Well, she snagged a monumental "get" by being featured in world-wide-readable Inkwell.vue. That's one.
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #82 of 118: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 21 Sep 21 14:37
permalink #82 of 118: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 21 Sep 21 14:37
How many continents are represented in her audience here?
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #83 of 118: Peter Meuleners (pjm) Tue 21 Sep 21 14:40
permalink #83 of 118: Peter Meuleners (pjm) Tue 21 Sep 21 14:40
At least two.
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #84 of 118: Gail Williams (gail) Tue 21 Sep 21 18:17
permalink #84 of 118: Gail Williams (gail) Tue 21 Sep 21 18:17
Kind of a silly question. It's still a weird time for travel and in-person events, after all.
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #85 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Tue 21 Sep 21 20:27
permalink #85 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Tue 21 Sep 21 20:27
>80 hi Gail! In JAFFworld one of the big things you can do is a blog tour. As a newbie, I got a late start, but I have appeared on one Austenesque blog and have an invitation to appear on another. This involves posting an excerpt and a brief self-introduction, and offering a Kindle book giveaway to readers who leave comments. Here's what that looked like: https://austenesquereviews.com/2021/09/excerpt-giveaway-with-author-stephanie- vale.html
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #86 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Wed 22 Sep 21 10:30
permalink #86 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Wed 22 Sep 21 10:30
Vard, the book description in that blog tour example is pretty solidly grounded in plot. It sets the table for what will happen. So here's a more English Majorly question: is there a grand theme or mission underlying the action and which drives it, which drove you in the writing? We can only imagine what this was for Jane and P&P (though legions of English majors have had their opinions). Now we have you, actually alive and etherized on.... no, ahem... cooperating freely with us. In putting these people in motion through the story, what was your mission in doing so?
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #87 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Wed 22 Sep 21 11:50
permalink #87 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Wed 22 Sep 21 11:50
>87 great question, Paul! I have been thinking about this lately and also just reread SEASONS OF WAITING, after recommending it here and having some dialogue about it with <sumac>. And I observed something in my rereading of SOW (ouch, had acronym) that struck a chord with me. Darcy is revealed to us by Austen, eventually, as a mensch. We find out about him as Elizabeth does, as he treats her with kindness even after her harsh rejection of his first proposal, welcomes her to his home when she arrives as a tourist, makes a point of introducing her to his sister, and then rescues her own sister from ruin, before offering her marriage a second time. But that first proposal of his? That was bad. Really, really bad. Jane doesn't tell us his exact words. Here's what we get: //...In vain I have struggled. It will not do. My feelings will not be repressed. You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you. Elizabeths astonishment was beyond expression. She stared, coloured, doubted, and was silent. This he considered sufficient encouragement; and the avowal of all that he felt, and had long felt for her, immediately followed. He spoke well; but there were feelings besides those of the heart to be detailed; and he was not more eloquent on the subject of tenderness than of pride. His sense of her inferiorityof its being a degradationof the family obstacles which had always opposed to inclination, were dwelt on with a warmth which seemed due to the consequence he was wounding, but was very unlikely to recommend his suit. In spite of her deeply-rooted dislike, she could not be insensible to the compliment of such a mans affection, and though her intentions did not vary for an instant, she was at first sorry for the pain he was to receive; till, roused to resentment by his subsequent language, she lost all compassion in anger. She tried, however, to compose herself to answer him with patience, when he should have done. He concluded with representing to her the strength of that attachment which, in spite of all his endeavours, he had found impossible to conquer; and with expressing his hope that it would now be rewarded by her acceptance of his hand. As he said this, she could easily see that he had no doubt of a favourable answer. He _spoke_ of apprehension and anxiety, but his countenance expressed real security. Such a circumstance could only exasperate farther...// She says no, of course. OF COURSE. And he responds: //... And this, cried Darcy, as he walked with quick steps across the room, is your opinion of me! This is the estimation in which you hold me! I thank you for explaining it so fully. My faults, according to this calculation, are heavy indeed! But perhaps, added he, stopping in his walk, and turning towards her, these offenses might have been overlooked, had not your pride been hurt by my honest confession of the scruples that had long prevented my forming any serious design. These bitter accusations might have been suppressed, had I, with greater policy, concealed my struggles, and flattered you into the belief of my being impelled by unqualified, unalloyed inclination; by reason, by reflection, by everything. But disguise of every sort is my abhorrence. Nor am I ashamed of the feelings I related. They were natural and just. Could you expect me to rejoice in the inferiority of your connections?to congratulate myself on the hope of relations, whose condition in life is so decidedly beneath my own?...// This is SO BAD. Fucking awful. Darcy is a very famous fictional character, and one of the things he is most famous for is making a terrible proposal. I didn't realize till recently that I seem to have been on a mission (as are many other JAFF authors) to redeem him by making his second proposal (or in the case of TCB, his alternative proposal) as good as possible, heartfelt and full of love. I don't put a lot of flowery words into his mouth, just a sincere expression of love, combined with a little more confession about some of the things he did in the past, and a solid dose of humility (a major missing ingredient from Jane's version of his first proposal). In SOW, all the circumstances are very different, but the theme (or whatever it is) is not so different: humble, rueful, and wry. He's a good man, not a perfect one. But he learns from his mistakes. JAFF fans and authors, as a group, are eager to participate in his redemption.
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #88 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Wed 22 Sep 21 22:36
permalink #88 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Wed 22 Sep 21 22:36
But, but, but WHY? What is it about Darcy, and Jane's treatment of Darcy, that makes authors want to bend over backwards to redeem him? You say he's a mensch, but the proposal isn't very menschy. How do we apprehend his menchness?
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #89 of 118: Ian Scattergood (scatts) Thu 23 Sep 21 02:05
permalink #89 of 118: Ian Scattergood (scatts) Thu 23 Sep 21 02:05
Hi Vard, I have one last technical question about the publishing if I may. Ive checked out Kindle Direct Publishing and it looks like a great way to kick-start a writing career (smileyface). I read their terms and conditions which seem reasonable but I was hoping for a clause that made it clear that the work remains mine and that if, miraculously, Netflix wanted to serialize it then Amazon would have no piece of that action and Im free to do as I please. As you are a lawyer, what was your take on their terms and conditions? Secondly, I see the pricing and royalty structure is, in simple terms; if the price of the book is $9.99 or below you get high royalty, if the price is above that you get half the royalty. Seems to me the first option is a no-brainer unless youre writing something people would be happy to pay at least $20 for but did you do any research on this before making your own decision on pricing? Are there, for example, JAFF authors that price above $9.99?
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #90 of 118: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Thu 23 Sep 21 10:09
permalink #90 of 118: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Thu 23 Sep 21 10:09
I've self-published a few things myself and been part of that community of authors. IANAL but I've read the Kindle contract (and others, like Kobo, Google, and Smashwords). None of these companies will claim subsidiary rights just because you publish with them. Kindle has managed to put a pretty firm cap at 9.99 with their royalty scheme (I seem to recall that Apple and others fell in line with this too, but it's been a while since I scanned their terms). Most of the publishers also reserve the right to change your price to match any lower price you set at another publisher. One thing I see <vard> has done, and which is purely the decision of the author, is join the Kindle Unlimited program, which pays not only for purchases but for pages read through the KU lending program. In order to join KU, you have to keep your book exclusive to Amazon. Many authors have found this to be well worthwhile, but others not so much. I assume Sweet Jane Books is a DBA or other form of a single proprietor business? That's what I use here in Colorado (Clary Books). Do you plan more books under that imprint, vard? Happy to discuss self-pub more over in <indie.ind.>, a conference for independent writers, musicians, and artists, if folks get bored with it here.
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #91 of 118: Ian Scattergood (scatts) Thu 23 Sep 21 15:17
permalink #91 of 118: Ian Scattergood (scatts) Thu 23 Sep 21 15:17
Thanks Jennifer. Ill check out <indie.ind>
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #92 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Thu 23 Sep 21 20:37
permalink #92 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Thu 23 Sep 21 20:37
>88 We apprehend his menschness, to use your turn of phrase, in several ways. One is that after he proposes, and Elizabeth tells him she despises him and he is the last man in the world she would ever marry, he reacts with a measure of grace, exits, and writes her a letter in which he explains himself and completely derails everything she believed about him that caused her to hate him. She hardly knows what to think at first, but over time she rereads his letter semi-obsessively and figures out that he is basically a good man. Then she goes on holiday with her uncle and aunt (the latter, fortuitously, having grown up in Lambton, the little market town just five miles from Darcy's estate, Pemberley). While in Lambton, her aunt and uncle say they want to tour Pemberley. Elizabeth resists but agrees to go after inquiring and learning that the Darcys are not at home. First she hears the housekeeper going on about what a kind, sweet-tempered person Darcy has been his whole life (she has worked at Pemberley since he was four years old). Then, while walking the grounds, Elizabeth encounters Darcy, who has returned home ahead of schedule. She is mortified, but he is kind and welcoming. He asks if she is willing to be introduced to his sister. He makes a point of requesting an introduction to her aunt and uncle, although he knows that her uncle is a businessman ("in trade") and therefore that they are of a lower social class than he is. She is stunned by his warmth. The Darcys invite them to dinner at Pemberley, and Darcy invites her uncle to fish in Pemberley's trout stream. One day Darcy rides over to Lambton to call on Elizabeth at the inn where she is staying. Jane doesn't say so but I believe he was intending to propose to her again. But when he arrives she is distraught over a letter she has received from home. Her youngest sister, Lydia, has run off with the villainous George Wickham, whose father was the steward at Pemberley when George and Darcy were boys, and whose lies about Darcy had contributed to Elizabeth's former dislike of him. She tells Darcy about Lydia and he leaves. She realizes that he would have been the best husband she could ever hope for, and assumes that she will never see him again. It turns out he is making a plan to depart for London immediately, find Wickham and Lydia, and purchase Wickham's consent to marry Lydia, to save her from ruin. He does not want Elizabeth to know about any of this. Because he does not want gratitude to muddy her feelings about him. He wants her to love him. He thinks she might be ready to love him. But he does not want his generosity toward her sister to put a thumb on the scale. That's why he's a mensch.
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #93 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Thu 23 Sep 21 20:54
permalink #93 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Thu 23 Sep 21 20:54
Ah.
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #94 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Fri 24 Sep 21 09:42
permalink #94 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Fri 24 Sep 21 09:42
>89 I did read through all of the KDP materials before deciding what to do, and I have also been observing the decisions made by other JAFF authors over the years. It seemed clear to me that I was not going to sell a gazillion books, and that the best way to get my book in front of more people was to put it into KU. This has proven correct. I think KU is best for genre fiction (mystery, sci-fi, romance, thrillers) where readers tend to go through a lot of titles in a month. As for rights, I certainly have not been under the impression that I was signing away my copyright or any subsidiary rights just by publishing via KDP. If that had happened to anyone I think we would have all heard about it by now.
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #95 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Fri 24 Sep 21 09:52
permalink #95 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Fri 24 Sep 21 09:52
>90 hi <jnfr>! For me, Kindle Unlimited has been my principal source of royalties. Right now 78% of my royalties are coming from KU. As I said above, I think KU is best for genre fiction, where the devotees tend to go through a lot of titles in a month. Yes, Sweet Jane Books is a dba. I do plan to publish more JAFF under that imprint. I'm also working on a piece of speculative fiction that takes place in the near future, and I hope to get an agent for that one and have it professionally published. I will use my real name for that one. I will come check out <indie.ind>!
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #96 of 118: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Fri 24 Sep 21 11:25
permalink #96 of 118: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Fri 24 Sep 21 11:25
Thanks for the update. I know a lot of indie writers who work hybrid, sometimes with major presses or sometimes with smaller ones, while also self-publishing some of their own work. I think you're right about genre works and KU as a useful mix. Although I do know some genre writers who just prefer to keep their works available widely just because of distrusting or disliking Amazon.
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #97 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sat 25 Sep 21 13:13
permalink #97 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sat 25 Sep 21 13:13
I can't say I have strong *love* for Amazon. But I think they know that they have constructed a very profitable ecosystem here, with KDP and especially KDP combined with KU, and so I hope they are reluctant to fuck around with it. I trust big companies only to do what they perceive to be in their self-interest. I have found them to be fairly transparent re: sales, pages read, and royalties. They generate a lot of data and share it.
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #98 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sat 25 Sep 21 20:02
permalink #98 of 118: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sat 25 Sep 21 20:02
Vard, when you say you're hoping to get an agent, and a publisher, for your nascent speculative fiction book, is that coming from a sense that there is perhaps a larger market for such a book? Kindle Direct Publishing being better for niche things? and JAFF being nichey?
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #99 of 118: Ian Scattergood (scatts) Sat 25 Sep 21 23:34
permalink #99 of 118: Ian Scattergood (scatts) Sat 25 Sep 21 23:34
Yes, Im also interested in this answer.
inkwell.vue.514
:
Stephanie Vale - The Colonel's Brother
permalink #100 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sun 26 Sep 21 19:23
permalink #100 of 118: AKA Stephanie Vale (vard) Sun 26 Sep 21 19:23
>98 I have been workshopping this particular piece for years, just chipping away at it, then letting it sit for awhile, then workshopping it again. In 2021 I did two different writing workshops (online of course) with it, and in both cases the instructors told me that they felt I had something that could be quite commercial. The first workshop was with the Attic Institute here in Portland. First I workshopped a very short story that everyone seemed to enjoy, and then I brought in a couple of scenes from this other manuscript, and got some good feedback on it, including the instructor telling me that he thought it was potentially very commercial. The second of the two workshops was with the "Save the Cat!" organization. They are all about commercially successful writing, and I signed up for their program because I knew the weaknesses in my work had to do with structure, organization, and narrative flow. I'm good at writing scenes and dialogue; it's the structural part of the story that has been harder for me. STC preaches that almost every good story flows through 15 specific plot points/pivot points/tentpoles, which occur at predictable intervals in the story. So working through that with an instructor was very helpful to me in figuring out what to do with the scenes I'd already written, and what kinds of additional scenes/narrative were needed to create a structurally sound novel. The STC instructor, also, told me he thought I had something that was saleable. So, based on the feedback I've recently received from two professional writing teachers, and some feedback going back to 2016 when I first workshopped a chunk of it at the Yale Writers' Workshop, I have reason to think that I do have the kind of book that a commercial publisher might be interested in. If it's good. It's my job to finish writing it now, and to make it good. I do believe that the 30,000 words or so I have already written *are* good. But I have a ways to go before I have constructed a coherent narrative that has the kind of flow a commercially successful novel needs to have. I refer to it as speculative fiction, which it is, because there's some vaguely futurey-sciencey stuff in it, but that's something of a MacGuffin. I think the book is ultimately more literary than sci-fi. And similar to JAFF, there is an existing population of readers whom I would expect to be interested in it. That, too, makes it more commercially interesting to a publisher, I think. Yes, KDP (and especially KU) are ideal for genre fiction, anything where there are a lot of titles coming out all the time. You can get your book read without having to convince potential readers to shell out money for your book specifically, and Amazon will pay you based on pages read. JAFF is definitely genre/nichey fiction.
Members: Enter the conference to participate. All posts made in this conference are world-readable.