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permalink #226 of 468: Michael Bravo (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 00:47
permalink #226 of 468: Michael Bravo (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 00:47
Via email from Michael Bravo: I'd like to propose a mental experiment - take <hexayurt>'s four-point problem list from <217> and replace "nuclear" with "airplanes" early enough. These heavier-than-air contraptions are super suspect, very expensive, dangerous as hell, can be used to make weapons (what can NOT, by the way?), and burn fossil fuels aplenty. That is not a list of problems [with nuclear]. That's a list of excuses, quite similar to a long list of technologies "corrupting youth" - from books to telegraph to newspapers to radio to television to smartphones to virtual worlds.
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permalink #227 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 10 Jan 22 00:51
permalink #227 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 10 Jan 22 00:51
*The great-and-the-good in NATO-land won't do much about Kazakhstan -- not even for the sake of the copious oil, gas, coal and nuclear. Ukraine they'll give guns to, Belarus they'll make noise about, Kazakhstan is somebody else's problem. *Also, even if the Kazakh rebels win, nobody wants to be seen in retrospect as having kissed ISIS on the lips. If the Mujihadeen Lafayette Escadrille isn't in Kazakhstan already, they'll be there as soon as they can get safe-houses. *The Kazakh foreign ministry -- (whoever's left of it after the palace purges) -- has come up with a narrative: "The foreign ministry of Kazakhstan blamed 'certain foreign media' for portraying the police violence as aimed against the peaceful protesters, who took the streets because of the hike of gas fuel prices. 'Peaceful rallies were held in Mangystau region and in all major cities of the country. The protesters demands were fully met. However, the peaceful protests were hijacked by terrorist, extremist and criminal groups to escalate tensions and violence. In this respect, a state of emergency was declared in the country', the foreign ministry says in a statement circulated on Sunday. "The Kazakh authorities blame for the unrest terrorists trained abroad, although they dont says who they are, from where they have come and who is financing them." (((That's true, but that's kind of a high standard of proof -- nobody asks that about the USA's January 6 insurrectionists, either, and they were doing all that in broad daylight, with iPhones and credit cards.))) 'Kazakhstan has been subjected to armed aggression by well-coordinated terrorist groups trained abroad. According to preliminary data, the attackers include individuals who have military combat zone experience in the ranks of radical Islamist groups. Currently, the law enforcement agencies and armed forces of Kazakhstan are confronting terrorists, not 'peaceful protesters' as some foreign media misrepresent it', the ministry states. (((Somebody was decapitating the police, which is kind of a signature move when you want a mujihadeen-friendly atmosphere of polarization.))) "Reportedly, the Kazakh law enforcement agencies have been instructed to conduct a large-scale investigation of the causes of the current situation. It is said that their results would be presented to the international community. (((They're kicking the football into next week and hoping everybody forgets about it. Which is, in fact, pretty likely, unless somebody doubles-down with coordinated car-bombs. Except for the mujihadeen factions, no power player actually WANTS any trouble in Kazakhstan, it's bad for business all around. Also, the Kazakhs lack spiteful enemies. If anything, people admire the Kazakhs. they're like the upbeat, Dubai version of Central Asians.))) "Kazakhstan also stresses that it is in control of the situation and the troops form the Russia-led Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) are on its territory on a temporary basis." (((If they leave, it'll be more remarkable than if they stay.)))
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permalink #228 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 10 Jan 22 03:29
permalink #228 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 10 Jan 22 03:29
What's the source of that piece? So far I think I've seen reports that this is a feud between rival oligarchs, that the country's most prominent gangster has been arrested, and that a high official in the security service has been arrested.
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permalink #229 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Mon 10 Jan 22 04:37
permalink #229 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Mon 10 Jan 22 04:37
Michael Bravo: Aeroplanes kill a few people here and there. Nuclear proliferation is a *dramatically* worse problem than people think it is. Everybody's taken their eyes off that ball because nobody's dropped a nuke on humans in almost living memory. It's going to bite us hard the next time somebody uses a nuke.
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permalink #230 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 07:14
permalink #230 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 07:14
This is the apparent source of <227>: <https://www.euractiv.com/section/central-asia/news/eu-ministers-to-consider-me asures-over-kazakh-crackdown/>
Via email from Gyrgir: Thanks for the Avalanche link, Vinay. It conforms with my 'now, today' requirements, I concede the point. Orthogonally, I'm not happy with carbon accounting in this way because it depends on all kinds of data that aren't there, blockchain or not. It also follows a near identical hype curve with Internet of Things and for good reason. As nothing large-scale beneficial happened through/with IoT in the last 10 years, I don't expect anything from carbon accounting either. Incidentally, there is no urgency in my "now, today", as in: "bring the Future faster to Today". Rather it's a very Zen thing, as in "your future doesn't exist". So I found myself agreeing with both Brian Slesinsky's #211 and Patrick Lichty's #212. Telling people to urge/panic without a plan would be Bad (TM). Governments though? I'm not so sure, but here we are, in this broken timeline's 2022 of mass inability to act in scale. We've all seen the GOP26 show. I don't want to sit and wait though, afraid to tell people to act. That would be BAD > Bad (TM), for all of us. But I don't rush: I live in the here-now, and I'm a survivor of 2020 and 2021, so I know to pick my battles. This is one of them. I think Marlinspike's urgency was more along the lines of "all intermediate steps must make sense, not only the (mythical/intended) last", and what he saw didn't make sense to him today. I guess he meant it in the agile way of "let's iterate, on what the customer wants" but I find it works in general. When everything around you accelerates, in Paul Virilio's sense, the only course of action is to act in a way that makes sense in the here-now. The better informed you are, the more it will make sense in the here-tomorrow's-now, but then again information is not what it used to be. It's a numbers game now. And I didn't even wrote anything about the unintended consequences aspect. Who should clean our mess?
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permalink #232 of 468: r.u.a.cyberpunk (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 07:19
permalink #232 of 468: r.u.a.cyberpunk (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 07:19
Via email from "r.u.a.cyberpunk" - a link to a Bruce Sterling video archive: I've been collecting bruce sterling talks for a while-- So after spending some time locked in my house for "some unspecified reason", I decided to scrap the web looking for all the <bruces> talks that could be out there, floating in the ether. Then I thought "maybe I should classify all those videos in order to make sense of the thing", and then "after all that work, maybe somebody else is interested in it"... long story short: <https://r-u-a-cyberpunk.github.io/bruces/videos.html> btw have fun with the state of the world chat
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permalink #233 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 07:23
permalink #233 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 07:23
The President of Kazakhstan says there was an attempted coup, which is the way he's characterizing the protests: <https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/president-kazakhstan-says-he-has-we athered-attempted-coup-detat-2022-01-10/> "Tokayev defended his decision to invite Russian-led troops into the country and said that doubts over the legitimacy of that mission stemmed from a lack of information. "Kazakhstan would soon provide proof to the international community about what had happened, he said.Sixteen members of the security forces were killed, while the number of civilian casualties is still being checked, he said."
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permalink #234 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 10 Jan 22 10:32
permalink #234 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 10 Jan 22 10:32
So he cut off communication with the outside world and blamed his critics for working with inadequate information. And now he'll tell us the real story. Uh huh.
>Aeroplanes kill a few people here and there Mostly there: drone warfare.
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permalink #236 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 10 Jan 22 12:44
permalink #236 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 10 Jan 22 12:44
Building new nuclear reactors with fuel cycles that don't produce materials usable in bombs does not significantly increase the risk of proliferation of weapons. Denying the reality that Iran is responding rationally to the threat to them from Israel's nuclear arsenal is a driver of proliferation.
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permalink #237 of 468: Tiffany Lee Brown (T) (magdalen) Mon 10 Jan 22 13:03
permalink #237 of 468: Tiffany Lee Brown (T) (magdalen) Mon 10 Jan 22 13:03
> Aeroplanes kill a few people here and there. "Taking a long-haul flight generates more carbon emissions than the average person in dozens of countries around the world produces in a whole year." https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2019/jul/19/carbon-calc ulator-how-taking-one-flight-emits-as-much-as-many-people-do-in-a-year 2019, The Guardian
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permalink #238 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Mon 10 Jan 22 13:17
permalink #238 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Mon 10 Jan 22 13:17
Yes, but the really heavy emissions national are from things like millions of people commuting 60 miles a day and eating beef - or just living in a very cold climate and keeping warm.
>the really heavy emissions Are generated by extractive economics at corporate scale.
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permalink #240 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 10 Jan 22 13:44
permalink #240 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 10 Jan 22 13:44
It's disingenuous to blame personal habits in a society that's structured so they're hard to change. People can't choose whether to commute long distances by car unless they can afford to live close to where they work or close to efficient public transit.
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permalink #241 of 468: Mark Kraft (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 13:58
permalink #241 of 468: Mark Kraft (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 13:58
Via email from Mark Kraft: "I'm not sure what Russia could do at this point in regards to Ukraine... that would prompt the USA or EU nations to send more than stern messages and sanctions to its defense." I wouldn't trivialize sanctions. In 2008, the GDP for Russia fell over 25%, with long term impacts lasting several years. If Russia invades, expect an economic/military slog match lasting at least months, with stubborn resistance from the Ukrainians that gives way east of the Dnieper, but solidifies near Kyiv. The US would likely see it as another Afghanistan-like opportunity to back 42 million Ukrainians with a flood of "cheap" weapons meant to knock out expensive tanks, helicopters, transports, etc. Ukraine has a large reserve force, and even if the cities are surrounded by tank spearheads, expect them to make occupying and supplying frontline troops difficult, with the potential for bloody, Grozny-like urban fighting and sustained insurgent attacks. Flat land ideal for tanks could suddenly become swamps, if decisions are made to destroy dams. If any of this happens, expect Russia to lie about the numbers of the dead, with grieving women once more becoming Russia's destabilizing truth tellers. Short of a dubious complete Russian military victory, where they rapidly push into Kyiv and occupy Ukraine before resistance solidifies, the real battle has already been lost. Soviet infrastructure was largely designed to extract raw materials from its territories and turn them into more expensive finished goods, locking them into an unfavorable state of dependence.Ukraine responded to Russian invasion by shifting much of their Russian exports to EU and Turkey. Meanwhile, despite Russian efforts to topple Ukraine, in the two years prior to Covid, the Ukrainian economy grew ~50% faster than that of Russia, with a large growth in exports. People talk about Russia being afraid of democracy, but perhaps more than that, they are afraid of its neighbors realizing they'd be much better served bringing their trade - and money, and talent - elsewhere. Russia's economy is already facing Covid job losses, reduced exports, and inflation. Can they really afford protracted sanctions and their neighbors using the opportunity to reduce trade too? I don't expect Putin to invade, unless it's limited in nature, designed to bring parts of Eastern Ukraine fully into Russia, followed by a quick declaration of victory. Rather, I expect Putin to let Biden try to appease him. The intended message will be that crossing Putin and establishing closer western ties comes at a price, possibly spooking some would-be investors. It's one thing to pressure - or occupy - your neighbors, so they stay in your sphere. It's something else entirely to peacefully, affordably keep them there, or convince their best and brightest to study in Moscow and help revitalize an increasingly moribund nation. The Soviets failed to keep 30 million Afghanis down, even with direct borders. Why should we believe that Russia by itself can do better versus 45M Ukrainians? Ultimately, though, what Putin is doing won't reverse Russia's long term problems. They are a huge, inefficient nation with a rapidly shrinking, aging population and a crumbling, expensive-to-maintain infrastructure, much of it built on melting permafrost. Meanwhile, their economy is dependent on significantly useless weapons and dead dinosaurs, keeping the LONG, LONG recession that's coming at bay, for now. ""Russia's fate and its historic prospects depend on how many of us there are." - V. Putin Those few nations that are brave enough to resist nationalists and open their doors to young immigrants now will be in a much better situation in the future. In truth, Russia should be tempting immigrants throughout Asia with free land now, before snow packs decrease, rivers start to dry up, and populations migrate out of necessity.
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permalink #242 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 14:47
permalink #242 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 14:47
Here's a quote from Barbara Walter, whose book _How Civil Wars Start_ will be published soon. The book is about "about the factors that increase the likelihood that countries will turn to violence, and their growing presence in American life. Walter, a leading authority on international security and civil wars who helps run the award-winning blog Political Violence At a Glance <https://politicalviolenceataglance.org/>, is a professor of political science at UC San Diego and a research affiliate at IGCC." She tweets at <https://twitter.com/bfwalter>, and her site is <https://www.barbarafwalter.com/>. "The US governments Political Instability Task Force, which I joined 2017, has identified two factors that best predict where political instability and civil war is likely to break out around the world. The first and most important is whether a country is what we call an anocracyneither fully democratic nor fully autocratic. Countries most at risk of civil wars are those that are transitioning rapidly from one end of the political spectrum to the other. Think about Iraq in 2003, when the United States went in, toppled Saddam Hussein, and wanted to set up a democracy. It didnt take long for Iraq to spiral into civil war. But it can also happen in the other direction, when a country is rapidly moving from democracy to something less democratic. Think about Ukraine just a few years ago. "The second thing is whether ethnic entrepreneurs emerge in these countries who mobilize citizens around ethnic, religious, or racial lines. Those countries are most at risk of civil war. "So Im sitting on this task force and were studying countries around the world. And I start to realize that these two factors are emerging in the United States at a surprisingly rapid rate. The United States, for most of its history, has been considered fully democratic. Starting in 2016, one of the datasets that measures the level of democracy began to downgrade the United States. And in January of this year, for the very first time since the late 1700s, the United States was classified as an anocracy. We are now in that middle zone where the risk of political instability and violence increases. Then, in 2020, the United States was classified as factionalized, because our political system is increasingly polarized around identity." <https://igcc.ucsd.edu/news-events/news/is-the-us-header-toward-civil-war.html>
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permalink #243 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 14:52
permalink #243 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 14:52
Here's a Vox piece by Zack Beauchamp that quotes Barbara Walter: <https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/22814025/democracy-trump-january-6-cap itol-riot-election-violence> "Walter doesnt think that a rerun of the American Civil War is in the cards. What she does worry about, and believes to be in the realm of the possible, is a different kind of conflict. 'The next war is going to be more decentralized, fought by small groups and individuals using terrorism and guerrilla warfare to destabilize the country,' Walter tells me. 'We are closer to that type of civil war than most people realize.' "How close is hard to say. There are important differences not only between the United States of today and 1861, but also between contemporary America and Northern Ireland in 1972. Perhaps most significantly, the war on terror and the rise of the internet have given law enforcement agencies unparalleled capacities to disrupt organized terrorist plots and would-be domestic insurgent groups. "But violence can still spiral absent a nationwide bombing campaign or a full-blown war think lone-wolf terrorism, mob assaults on government buildings, rioting, street brawling."
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permalink #244 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Mon 10 Jan 22 15:43
permalink #244 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Mon 10 Jan 22 15:43
In terms of American civil war 2.0 stuff I think the most likely flashpoint is Texas secessionism. Lots of people with extremist views are moving in to Texas and lots of (sensible) moderates are moving out. If there's a Democratic victor in 2022 and the Texans refuse to accept the results of the election and split from the union many neighbouring states will follow them - could rip as far as Alberta, Canada and south into Texas. In fact one likely first move is to mount a lightweight invasion of Texas - grab and garrison one small town - to make it into an international incident. Try to get the UN involved to massively muddy the waters and slow down US Federal reprisals. It's one messy conflict: 10 million Americans hunt deer. US has about 250,000 infantry. Lot of troops refuse to fight - at least to do things like bomb cities. Some mutiny. Scramble to secure nukes. It can all be avoided: hand * drug law * abortion law * gun law * LGBT law to the States. Require freedom of movement between the States as an absolute right, and have a Federal fund to relocate people whose civil liberties are infringed by the new regime. Culture war evaporates, everybody moves to a place they can deal with, and America moves forwards again as a people united by their diversity.
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permalink #245 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Mon 10 Jan 22 15:44
permalink #245 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Mon 10 Jan 22 15:44
Correction: could rip as far as Alberta, Canada and south into **MEXICO**. Most of the middle strip in America would go with an independent Greater Texas. The Canadians coming along is a wild card.
>Lots of people with extremist views are moving in to Texas and lots of (sensible) moderates are moving out. Texas has added 9 Hispanic residents for every new white resident in the last year. The real show in Texas is the minoritization of non-Hispanic whites, already down to 42% as contrasted to 39% Hispanics. White Texans will be overshadowed by Hispanics in short order. This is a microcosm of what is driving increasingly volatile behavior on the part of conservatives nationwide; they can see the end of the runway from here. Their privilege of pallor is about to evaporate, and they're loathe to surrender it.
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permalink #247 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Mon 10 Jan 22 16:30
permalink #247 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Mon 10 Jan 22 16:30
I did not know that about immigration to Texas. That's an amazing statistic.
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permalink #248 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 18:46
permalink #248 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 10 Jan 22 18:46
> Texas has added 9 Hispanic residents for every new white resident > in the last year. That was 2018. I haven't seen stats for 2021.
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