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permalink #251 of 338: power meower (autumn) Sat 14 Jan 23 15:03
permalink #251 of 338: power meower (autumn) Sat 14 Jan 23 15:03
I've enjoyed this topic. Thanks, all.
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permalink #252 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sat 14 Jan 23 15:07
permalink #252 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sat 14 Jan 23 15:07
Yes - and it would be terrific if you (Emily) could post your thoughts about the state of journalism as we stumble into 2023...?
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permalink #253 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 15 Jan 23 07:51
permalink #253 of 338: @jonl@mastodon.wellperns.com (jonl) Sun 15 Jan 23 07:51
Bruce posted his over and out yesterday, and this is my final post. Thanks to our guests, Sandy Stone and Emily Gertz. And we're sorry that Toomas Ilves couldn't make it. Thanks also to members of the WELL and readers off-WELL who contributed posts. This year's model of SOTW was rich, and will bear re-reading and re-thinking. Don't focus so much on the terrible that you miss the wonder-full. Invoking Dickens, it is the best of times and it is the worst of times. There's no utopia and there's no dystopia, there's always a struggle between our finest and our worst inclinations. Take some time to scan Maria Popova's "The Marginalian": <https://www.themarginalian.org/> "Nothing we see or hear is perfect. But right there in the imperfection is perfect reality." ~ Shunryu Suzuki
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permalink #254 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sun 15 Jan 23 09:18
permalink #254 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sun 15 Jan 23 09:18
We do live in the age of Miracle and Wonder, but unless by "the best of times" you mean advanced technology, I can't see it. Neither is this the worst of times compared to some of what came before, and a lot of what seems increasingly inevitable. If we don't get seriously wholistic in the very near future, it looks from here/now like we are headed for hell in a bucket. We have soiled our own nest, and continue to add to the pile of excretion at an increasing rate. When will we ever learn?
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permalink #255 of 338: Axon (axon) Sun 15 Jan 23 09:44
permalink #255 of 338: Axon (axon) Sun 15 Jan 23 09:44
By any measure of wellbeing you choose to normalize and stack rank, these are the very best of times, by several lengths and gaining. If you can't find serenity in the midst of chaos, you'll have less serenity but the same amount of chaos. I'm told it's pronounced "cows".
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permalink #256 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sun 15 Jan 23 11:47
permalink #256 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sun 15 Jan 23 11:47
The best of times for some humans maybe. For the rest of nature - not so much. There are also plenty of humans who are experiencing dramatic deterioration of their circumstances. Ukrainians, Haitians, Yemenis, Uighurs, Afghans, poor US residents, and anyone living in a low lying coastal area. We are in the midst of the greatest mass extinction event in millions of years. Certainly the greatest while H. Sapiens has been around. If we dont stop despoiling the planet, the worst of times will be upon us in short order. I share Gretas view. <https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=laeGR6j9u6c>
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permalink #257 of 338: @mackreed@mastodon.social (factoid) Sun 15 Jan 23 12:09
permalink #257 of 338: @mackreed@mastodon.social (factoid) Sun 15 Jan 23 12:09
Thank you to all the thinkers here for all the thoughts - and the education and inspiration and incitement they provoked. There's something deeply comforting and enlightening about having one's pessimism reinforced and almost filigreed at the same time one sees new information and insight grinding down its nastiest sharp edges. We are empowered to think and act with more clarity, even as it becomes clearer how completely f*cked it seems we all are.
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permalink #258 of 338: Axon (axon) Sun 15 Jan 23 12:32
permalink #258 of 338: Axon (axon) Sun 15 Jan 23 12:32
>for some humans maybe Twas ever thus. Notwithstanding, and taking the long view of history, wellbeing is more broadly enjoyed today than ever before. This is why fascism menaces so urgently; the maladaptive are running out of grievances to exploit. History will record this convulsion as an extinction burst. As for the climate, it portends great disequilibrium going forward, and its dynamics are ominous today. But the current overall status of the species remains an apex of progress. Less war, less violence, less poverty, less hunger, less autocracy, less injustice; more food, more prosperity, more education, more liberty. That's where we're at today. We may well be headed for perdition in an easter basket, but the current status is nevertheless encouraging. Whether we'll summon the will to address the climate challenge depends to a large degree on whether we'll stop exploiting, enslaving and killing each other over resources. On a global scale, that trend is encouraging. Whether it's in time is another conjecture. One may entertain concerns about the future of the environment and still acknowledge that in many ways, sapiens is adapting a more congenial brainstem. One fervently hopes that adaptation to address environmental conditions will follow with dispatch. But hope is just fear in a party dress.
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permalink #259 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 15 Jan 23 12:34
permalink #259 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 15 Jan 23 12:34
Something that passes for good news these days? Ukraine credits local beavers for unwittingly bolstering its defenses their dams make the ground marshy and impassable <https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-says-defenses-stronger-thanks-beavers- dams-2023-1> > Ukrainian officials had warned that Russia may wage an offensive through its ally Belarus into a region of Ukraine called Volyn. > Defense forces there, however, have been reassured by conditions on the ground, left impassable by miles of burst river banks, thick mud, and waterlogged fields. > The swampy conditions have given Ukrainians an advantage, and time to prepare: a local military unit called the Volyn territorial defense has been conducting daily training exercises in the area, according to Reuters. > Its spokesman, Serhiy Khominskyi, praised the beavers, which he told Reuters were more working unimpeded, unlike in other years.
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permalink #260 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sun 15 Jan 23 13:16
permalink #260 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sun 15 Jan 23 13:16
>>>the current overall status of the species remains an apex of progress. If you call pollution and general environmental degradation progress. If you call a world where humans and their chattels are squeezing out everything else progress. <https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/land_mammals.png> I dont see humans slowing down their creation of toxic waste or pollution of rivers and oceans anytime soon. I had hoped that the quieting of human activity(and the attendant effects) at the beginning of the pandemic shutdown might give first world people pause, and help move the needle away from consumerism. It hasnt. There are only more seeking those first world wonders than ever before. The market for more electronic gadgets and crappy plastic goods is still growing, and anything like the current levels of production is well beyond what the planet can sustain. We really do have to stop measuring the health of the whole by how humans are doing. Imagine a patient in a hospital who is dying of metastatic cancer, and is also suffering from a broken leg. The bone surgeon looks at an X-ray and says Excellent progress, youll be back on the tennis court in no time. Like that. Were killing the natural world. I cant bring myself to call that progress.
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permalink #261 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 15 Jan 23 13:28
permalink #261 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 15 Jan 23 13:28
I think entirely dismissing all benefits to humans is going a bit far in the other direction, though? And I'll point out that there some pretty significant natural sources of pollution, disaster, disease, and other suffering.
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permalink #262 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 15 Jan 23 13:32
permalink #262 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 15 Jan 23 13:32
I consider a new Bruce Sterling story to read to be a bit of good news. I reposted the link in a couple places. Perhaps a few more people will see it.
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permalink #263 of 338: Axon (axon) Sun 15 Jan 23 13:33
permalink #263 of 338: Axon (axon) Sun 15 Jan 23 13:33
>I cant bring myself to call that progress. If you ignore all the actual progress, then those adverse conditions could look pretty demoralizing. But overall, on balance and on a global scale, I see humanity evolving in promising dimensions. I guess it just depends on your data set, innit? I also see zero benefit in entertaining inevitable doom narratives. Cui bono? As I see it, we're not going to solve the practical logistical challenges of living nondestructively on the planet until we, as a species, move beyond reflexive tribal hostilities, and there's still rather a lot of runway to cover on that account. It's abundantly clear we're not going solve this to save ourselves. But we might do it to save everyone else.
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permalink #264 of 338: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sun 15 Jan 23 14:10
permalink #264 of 338: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sun 15 Jan 23 14:10
i'm with <yesway>. no surprise, i guess.
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permalink #265 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sun 15 Jan 23 15:24
permalink #265 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sun 15 Jan 23 15:24
Pray do tell what data youve seen re: the actual progress towards a healthier environment for other species. What data have you seen that points towards a slowing of human degradation of the environment. >> I'll point out that there some pretty significant natural sources of pollution, disaster, disease, and other suffering. Cant think of what natural phenomenon Id characterize as pollution. At least not one that isnt triggered by human activity. Theres no waste in nature. Certainly there are natural disasters that effect humans, but theres no natural equivalent to burning fossil fuels, open pit mining, toxic agricultural runoff, systematic deforestation, or fracking. I literally dont know what you mean.
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permalink #266 of 338: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Sun 15 Jan 23 15:53
permalink #266 of 338: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Sun 15 Jan 23 15:53
There is nothing, absolutely nothing, as important as climate collapse. The other issues mentioned - political divisions and reliance on tech - are important because they indicate there will never be large scale action on the issue because everyone is either busy blaming someone else or hoping someone else will magically fix things. We are fools, whistling as we walk past the graveyard while we brag that we've discovered penicillin.
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permalink #267 of 338: Tiffany Lee Brown / Burning Tarot (magdalen) Sun 15 Jan 23 16:39
permalink #267 of 338: Tiffany Lee Brown / Burning Tarot (magdalen) Sun 15 Jan 23 16:39
we are funny, silly little creatures.
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permalink #268 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 15 Jan 23 20:06
permalink #268 of 338: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 15 Jan 23 20:06
On a human timescale, volcanic eruptions are a natural source of pollution [1]. Also forest fires. (Some are caused by people, but theyve been happening long before we got here.) At geological timescales, there are also things like ice ages, asteroid hits and supernovas. Geological and biological changes have caused worse extinctions than anything weve come up with yet. Waste is a matter of perspective. Even the oxygen we breathe was a waste byproduct until life evolved that makes use of it. There will probably be lifeforms that evolve to make use of our byproducts, eventually. Sort of like we do with coal and oil. Eventually is a long time, though. This shouldnt be considered an excuse for making things worse for ourselves on the timescales we care about. [1] <https://www.usgs.gov/programs/VHP/volcanic-gases-can-be-harmful-health-vegetat ion-and-infrastructure>
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permalink #269 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sun 15 Jan 23 21:15
permalink #269 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sun 15 Jan 23 21:15
<scribbled by yesway Sun 15 Jan 23 21:17>
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permalink #270 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sun 15 Jan 23 21:17
permalink #270 of 338: William F. Stockton (yesway) Sun 15 Jan 23 21:17
The current mass extinction is the only one to take place since the emergence of Homo sapiens. Waste is a human concept. It implies the existence of a byproduct that isn't useful to any part of nature. There is no natural equivalent of the toxic soup engendered by modern manufacturing, mining, and industrial agriculture. No other species ever engaged in activities that despoiled entire environments thousands of miles away. Yes there are volcanos, tsunamis, and lightning started forest fires. Those aren't caused by a species, and they kind of hurt everyone equally. Human caused damage is qualitatively different, especially because we know we're doing damage, but we keep doing it because money. We have met the enemy and it is(indeed) us.
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permalink #271 of 338: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Sun 15 Jan 23 21:21
permalink #271 of 338: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Sun 15 Jan 23 21:21
I am also with yesway on this perspective.
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permalink #272 of 338: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 16 Jan 23 07:34
permalink #272 of 338: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 16 Jan 23 07:34
Renshin, thanks for the kind inquiry. The emergency is resolved in a certain sense. My 97-year-old father is going to die soon, comfortable and well-cared for in a pleasant residence tended by people who like and love him, instead of in the ER or hospital room where he spent the first seven or eight days of the year. My thoughts on the uses and condition of journalism as we come into 2023 are scattered, under the circumstances. I did note Bruce's comment and link to some big thoughts from big news minds, worrying that people are so tired of negative news that it may mean a significant downturn in news revenues this year. "Could this be the year when publishers rethink their offer to address the twin challenges of news avoidance and disconnection to offer more hope, inspiration, and utility?" I have a fundamental beef with this question, or more precisely that the Reuters Institute is presenting it like new one. Because there are scores of news entities - outlets, organizations, journalism faculty and students and more - who have been doing this relentlessly for years and years now. If the Reuters Institute wanted to take a dose of its own medicine, it could have instead explored into HOW people have been transforming news coverage and delivery to offer more hope, inspiration, utility, WHAT the status of some of those efforts are and WHERE they are or may be going in the coming year.
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permalink #273 of 338: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 16 Jan 23 07:45
permalink #273 of 338: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 16 Jan 23 07:45
The Reuters Inst. piece also natters on at length about Twitter. While many, many journalists are unhappy with the possible collapse of Twitter as a useful watering hole - slash - reporting tool, I'm skeptical this is a foundational concern for the news industry. The article also highlights "format innovation: the shift to audio and video continues"... give me a fucking break. Is this a new version of the "pivot to video" or "podcast revolution" hype? It reminds me of past panics in which radio and then television were going destroy journalism. Imagine some nabob complaining in the late 1400s that Gutenberg's infernal printing press was wiping out the town crier sector, which was obviously the only good way to report the news.
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permalink #274 of 338: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 16 Jan 23 07:49
permalink #274 of 338: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Mon 16 Jan 23 07:49
Ok, now I need to check out of this hotel and go visit with my father for a while. So: to be continued. Also: The mattar paneer came out pretty good. I think my cumin seeds went stale, though, so it could have been more flavorful. Also, gave up on sauteeing in the Instant Pot, which wasn't getting hot enough, and cooked in a pot on the stove instead. The Instant Pot did a pretty good rush cooking job on some pear-mango-ginger chutney, though.
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permalink #275 of 338: Axon (axon) Mon 16 Jan 23 09:44
permalink #275 of 338: Axon (axon) Mon 16 Jan 23 09:44
>current mass extinction Interesting way to describe overpopulation.
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