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permalink #0 of 128: Emily J Gertz (emilyg) Sat 18 May 24 17:00
permalink #0 of 128: Emily J Gertz (emilyg) Sat 18 May 24 17:00
On behalf of Inkwell, I'm happy to welcome amateur-slash-citizen scientist and author Forrest Mims to The WELL. From May 21 to June 3, Forrest will be here to discuss his diverse and successful science career which he has achieved without academic training in science. In the maker world, Forrest is legendary for his dozens of books and hundreds of articles featuring DIY electronics, technology and science projects, which he has been writing since 1972. I am not sure how many copies of these books have sold over the decades, but it must be in the multiple millions. He is also an a lifelong and award-winning inventor; an amateur environmental scientist with dozens of papers published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, based on data gathered with his own handmade devices; a consultant to NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center; and more. Forrest's latest book, "Maverick Scientist: My Adventures as an Amateur Scientist," was published in March by Make: Books. In this "intimate portrait of a self-made scientist," Forrest "shares a revelatory look inside the scientific community, and tells the story of a lifelong learner who stood by his convictions even when pressured by the establishment to get in line with conventional wisdom. With dozens of personal photos and illustrations, Maverick Scientist serves as proof that to be a scientist, you simply need to do science."
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permalink #1 of 128: Emily J Gertz (emilyg) Sat 18 May 24 17:27
permalink #1 of 128: Emily J Gertz (emilyg) Sat 18 May 24 17:27
For folks new to Inkwell: I'm a longtime WELL member and co-host of Inkwell. I've been an environmental journalist for about two decades. For the past four years my main beat has been climate accountability: In 2020 I was senior editor at Drilled News, a special project/spinoff of Amy Westervelt's Drilled podcast, and currently I'm a contributing editor at DeSmog. In 2011-2012, MAKE published two DIY electronics project books, "Environmental Monitoring With Arduino" and "Atmospheric Monitoring With Arduino," that I co-authored with Patrick Di Justo (the WELL's <justpat>, who was my life partner for 16 years before he died in 2021). In addition to my modest DIY electronics skills, I'm very into textile crafts. I've been knitting since 2008. I also sew sometimes (hand and machine), mend, and needle-felt (stabby stabby!). My thanks to MAKE: Books editor Kevin Toyama and publicist Gillian Mutti for their enthusiasm and assistance with putting this event together.
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permalink #2 of 128: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 19 May 24 06:28
permalink #2 of 128: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 19 May 24 06:28
Welcome, Forrest. After decades of DIY project books, how did "Maverick Scientist" come about?
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permalink #3 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Sun 19 May 24 18:37
permalink #3 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Sun 19 May 24 18:37
"Maverick Scientist" is my second memoir. The first, "Siliconnections," ended in 1985 a few years before Scientific American cancelled me. That's when my science career really began. In short, my science led to a few dozen formal papers in leading journals. After 30+ years doing serious science, it was time for a new memoir.
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permalink #4 of 128: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 19 May 24 19:06
permalink #4 of 128: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 19 May 24 19:06
Some readers may not be familiar with the controversy around your Scientific American column back in the 1980s. What happened, from your perspective (I have read a little of the contemporaneous press coverage), and how does it look to you decades later?
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permalink #5 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Tue 21 May 24 07:51
permalink #5 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Tue 21 May 24 07:51
In 1989, Scientific American accepted my proposal to take over "The Amateur Scientist," the oldest column in America's oldest magazine. During my first meeting with editor Jonathan Piel, he and his staff were fascinated by the various projects I brought to show them, including my first LED sun photometer and my radio-controlled kite camera. But later Piel became concerned when he learned I reject Darwinian evolution. They published only three of my columns because Piel was concerned my rejection of evolution would damage the magazine's credibility. My dismissal became an international news story in which I was interviewed by Voice of America and gave a talk at the National Press Club. I was also interviewed by Armed Forces Radio and many radio stations. I told my wife Minnie I would take off a year of writing to prove an amateur scientist (my degree is a BA in government) can make discoveries and publish papers in major scientific journals. That year has yet to end, for Scientific American inadvertently triggered my career as an atmospheric scientist. Details are in "Maverick Scientist," my new memoir.
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permalink #6 of 128: Peter Meuleners (pjm) Tue 21 May 24 08:57
permalink #6 of 128: Peter Meuleners (pjm) Tue 21 May 24 08:57
Where DID I put that lawnchair and popcorn? {rustling about} Oh, here it is! Carry on.
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permalink #7 of 128: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Tue 21 May 24 09:23
permalink #7 of 128: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Tue 21 May 24 09:23
Just checking in to say hi ... I have a copy of your book but haven't got beyond the intro yet.
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permalink #8 of 128: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 21 May 24 10:48
permalink #8 of 128: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 21 May 24 10:48
A few administrative notes: -- Forrest Mims will be here May 21-June 3. -- This discussion is publicly-viewable: Non-members of The WELL can read it as well as members. -- If you're not a WELL member and would like to add comments or questions to the conversation, please email them inkwell at well.com. -- To participate directly (and join other, members-only conversations), you can join The WELL here: https://www.well.com/join/ Here's a direct link to this Inkwell topic for WELL members: https://tinyurl.com/forrestmims Here's a direct link for the public-readable topic - please share with friends and colleagues: https://tinyurl.com/forrestmims2
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permalink #9 of 128: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Tue 21 May 24 10:59
permalink #9 of 128: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Tue 21 May 24 10:59
Welcome, Forrest! I loved your books when I was a kid trying to learn electronics and science in general. My school was very focused on the basics, we didn't even have classes in art, only music. My parents tried to make up for it by buying pretty much any book they could find at Radio Shack or Waldenbooks. Reading your autobiography now.
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permalink #10 of 128: Keith Thomas (keitht) Tue 21 May 24 14:03
permalink #10 of 128: Keith Thomas (keitht) Tue 21 May 24 14:03
The public readable link does not appear to work. It resolves to this <https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/545/Forrest-Mims-Maverick-Scie ntist.html> and currently returns a 404 not found.
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permalink #11 of 128: (chrys) Tue 21 May 24 15:15
permalink #11 of 128: (chrys) Tue 21 May 24 15:15
This link seems to work https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/545/Forrest-Mims-Maverick-Scie ntist-page01.html
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permalink #12 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Tue 21 May 24 17:09
permalink #12 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Tue 21 May 24 17:09
Glad to see that some of you are reading "Maverick Scientist." Many of the adventures had to be compressed due to the available page length, and we had to entirely cut three chapters. The editors cited in the book did a great job. Looking forward to questions and comments.
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permalink #13 of 128: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 21 May 24 18:06
permalink #13 of 128: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 21 May 24 18:06
Sorry about the bad link! Thanks for catching that. The issue with the TinyURL appears to have been a misplaced space. Here's the long version of the public URL, again: <https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/545/Forrest-Mims-Maverick-Scie ntist-page01.html> Here's the shortened version: <https://tinyurl.com/forrestmims4>
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permalink #14 of 128: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 21 May 24 18:45
permalink #14 of 128: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 21 May 24 18:45
Forrest, until I read the chapter about your Scientific American experience, I knew nothing about the magazine's founder, Rufus Porter, who as you recount held strong Christian views. Among "men of science" in the mid-19th century, when Porter founded SciAm, his devout Christianity and scientific pursuits weren't considered in opposition to each other. Obviously things were very different by the 1980s, but it's still breathtaking that then-editor Jonathan Piel said to you, "You've got certain attitudes and beliefs that are in conflict with editorial positions and trends and traditions in this magazine," and then got incensed when you pointed out that it was discriminatory. In the 1980s, when I was in my 20s, I know I would have seen it the way Piel did. Over the past two decades as a journalist, though, even as I've bootstrapped myself into reporting on diverse sciences, from astrophysics to wildlife biology, some scientists have broadened my perspective on holding devout religious beliefs while doing top-notch science. Katharine Hayhoe, in particular, made a big and lasting impression on me.
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permalink #15 of 128: Jef Poskanzer (jef) Wed 22 May 24 08:17
permalink #15 of 128: Jef Poskanzer (jef) Wed 22 May 24 08:17
I think Gary Starkweather, Xerox PARC scientist who invented the laser printer, was a creationist. It's not incompatible.
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permalink #16 of 128: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Wed 22 May 24 09:55
permalink #16 of 128: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Wed 22 May 24 09:55
I think what I really liked as a grade school kid was that your books explained the scientific method of testing and experimenting in ways a kid could understand. I ended up studying journalism and computer science in college but these days I teach physical computing and interaction design part-time. I try to push my students to develop their projects this way, step-by-step, only change one thing at a time and see what happens.
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permalink #17 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Wed 22 May 24 10:38
permalink #17 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Wed 22 May 24 10:38
Emily and Jef, your comments are certainly refreshing. Some of the greatest scientists of years past were believers, including Isaac Newton, Galileo Galilei, and, of course, Michael Faraday, the greatest amateur scientist of his day. Doing science does not require a religious faith, nor does it require adherence to widely accepted views, including evolution. When I debated dozens of callers to the many radio talk shows on which I was interviewed after losing the Scientific American assignment, I never quoted the Bible. I simply read passages from Darwin himself. Evidently very few people have read Darwin's books, which is why they do not realize Darwin was very concerned about gaps in the fossil record that contradicted his theory of evolution. I've updated my concerns about the dominance of evolutionary theory by collecting amber with encapsulated insects that closely resemble their modern descendants. I am also totally impressed by molecular motors, especially kinesin molecules, that perform amazing tasks in each of our cells with no known instructions.
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permalink #18 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Wed 22 May 24 10:41
permalink #18 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Wed 22 May 24 10:41
Emily, I am glad to see your mention of Katherine Hayhoe. While she is a first-class scientist, I differ with some of her views on climate change. I will explain why if anyone would like to discuss that highly controversial topic.
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permalink #19 of 128: redraw Gantt charts in his head (nanlev) Wed 22 May 24 11:09
permalink #19 of 128: redraw Gantt charts in his head (nanlev) Wed 22 May 24 11:09
Sure, I'll bite. I'm curious which differences you see.
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permalink #20 of 128: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 22 May 24 16:12
permalink #20 of 128: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 22 May 24 16:12
>>we had to entirely cut three chapters I'm curious about what you had to leave out and how you chose those chapters.
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permalink #21 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Wed 22 May 24 17:47
permalink #21 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Wed 22 May 24 17:47
Responding to nanlev in #19 of 20: You can learn about the climate change views of others by simply Googling their names. As for me, UAH satellite data indicate a warming of the lower atmosphere over the planet since 1979. My concern is the poor performance of models that supposedly predict significant increases in warming decades from now. I was an "expert reviewer" for the IPCC Assessment Reports 5 and 6. I learned from this experience that the IPCC does not always wish to cite even peer-reviewed studies that cast doubt on global warming models. Water vapor is the chief greenhouse gas, and the NASA-funded NVAP study showed no significant increase or decrease in global column water vapor. Yet the IPCC declined to cite this study. I found that decision out of order, for I had found no significant change in total column water vapor in my own measurements of column water vapor beginning on 4 Feb 1990. When I submitted a formal paper on my 30-years of measurements of total ozone, total column water vapor, and aerosol optical depth of the atmosphere, to the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society (BAMS), the three reviewers were puzzled by the 30-year trend I had measured--which was simply no trend. They requested I provide evidence from other measurement sites, so I contacted AERONET (I am an AERONET site) and was referred to the Cimel robotic sun photometer at the Oklahoma ARM site. This site is the closest of long-term AERONET sites with some 20+ years of data. It showed a slightly negative trend in column water vapor trend. This finding and satellite data I added to the paper were accepted by the reviewers, and the paper was published in BAMS. The problem for climate scientists is that their models presume an increase in total column water vapor. You can find more on this topic in "Maverick Scientist." to find my BAMS paper. Google: Mims 30-year climatology.
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permalink #22 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Wed 22 May 24 18:13
permalink #22 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Wed 22 May 24 18:13
In permalink #20 of 21: Linda Castellani (castle) wrote: >>we had to entirely cut three chapters I'm curious about what you had to leave out and how you chose those chapters. A chapter entitled "A visit with Martin Gardner" was about my encounters and eventual friendship with the famous writer of the Mathematical Recreations column in "Scientific American." I hope to publish this elsewhere. A chapter entitled "Government Science" discussed some of the good and bad experiences I've had with Texas and Federal government agencies. I was able to move some of this to other chapters. A chapter entitled "Doomsday Science" covered some of the highly controversial experiences I've had with extreme environmentalists, some of whom advocate culling Earth's population to reduce environmental damage. The chapter about my second NASA assignment to Brazil discusses some of this. I approved these deletions, since the book had become excessively long. Also, I was able to move some content elsewhere in the book.
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permalink #23 of 128: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 22 May 24 18:54
permalink #23 of 128: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 22 May 24 18:54
I don't know of any disagreement that water vapor is the chief greenhouse gas. The climate models could be off in regards to water vapor, and that would be interesting - but water vapor isn't what's causing climate change. Increased anthropogenic carbon emissions are causing/have caused climate change. Water vapor is very different from carbon pollutants in that it doesn't stay a gas. It turns back into water. There's an equilibrium of water turning to vapor that turns back into water (or snow or ice) and falling to earth. I think the models anticipate more water vapor because atmospheric temperature affects the upper limit of water vapor. Warmer temperatures raise that upper limit. So as temperatures continue to rise, could that equilibrium shift towards higher upper limits as the norm, which means more water vapor trapping more heat? Re: internal workings of the IPCC, you have been there and I haven't, Forrest. The first question that springs to mind is: What percentage of peer-reviewed papers cast significant doubt on climate models at that time, compared to the percentage that validated the models? My understanding is that climate change is worsening decades earlier than the models forecast, but the effects are in line with the models.
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permalink #24 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Wed 22 May 24 20:30
permalink #24 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Wed 22 May 24 20:30
Emily wrote: "I think the models anticipate more water vapor because atmospheric temperature affects the upper limit of water vapor. Warmer temperatures raise that upper limit. "So as temperatures continue to rise, could that equilibrium shift towards higher upper limits as the norm, which means more water vapor trapping more heat?" The fundamental issue is that total column water vapor has not changed over my site in 34 years. This is not new. The Astrophysical Observatory of the Smithsonian Institution measured column water vapor from Table Mountain, California, from 1926 to 1957, nearly as long as I have. Their trend? Their data show no trend. I have not noticed their data in any IPCC report. Other stations report long measurements of column water vapor with no trend. NASA's global NVAP study (which is the process of being updated) shows no trend in column water vapor globally. I am unaware of any IPCC citation of the NVAP and/or Smithsonian APO findings. Will they cite my 30-year record in BAMS?
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permalink #25 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Thu 23 May 24 06:59
permalink #25 of 128: Forrest Mims (fmims) Thu 23 May 24 06:59
Regarding climate change, recently there has been much more attention to the urban heat island effect on global temperatures. This impacts both people and the instruments that record temperature, most of which are located in or near urban areas. Some years ago, NASA appointed me to be on an education committee. Our first meeting was at the Baltimore Museum of Science, where an official NWS weather station is located. I was surprised to see a large black metal plate lying on the ground directly under the temperature sensors. I published a classic heat island study in which I drove across San Antonio at night with a temperature sensor attached to a pole mounted above the bed of my pickup. As expected, there was a significant increase in temperature while driving across the San Antonio portion of the transect. My daughter Sarah did two heat island studies when she was in middle school. She also found significant increases when I drove her through towns. BTW, Sarah was the first investigator to discover viable bacteria and mold spores in biomass smoke arriving over our field from Yucatan. She flew her homemade particle detector from a kite to avoid ground contamination. This became the lead paper in the journal Atmospheric Environment following the fastest peer review I have experienced in my science career. (She was in the 11th grade, and I was her co-author.) Sarah's discovery has been named pyroaerobiology.
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