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Topic 546: Philip K. Dick, The Last Ten Years: A Conversation Between a Dark-Haired Girl and Tim Powers
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permalink #201 of 241: William F. Stockton (yesway) Wed 19 Jun 24 07:55
permalink #201 of 241: William F. Stockton (yesway) Wed 19 Jun 24 07:55
I immediately assumed it was just like fathom, which the freebie oed entry confirmed. I can imagine it with the Gaelic softened Dh consonant asa well.
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permalink #202 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 19 Jun 24 16:49
permalink #202 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 19 Jun 24 16:49
I love this drift, and a shiny new word is a bonus! Tim, is there anything left unsaid about Phil's last years? Do you have any questions for a Dark-Haired Girl?
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permalink #203 of 241: William F. Stockton (yesway) Wed 19 Jun 24 21:44
permalink #203 of 241: William F. Stockton (yesway) Wed 19 Jun 24 21:44
I'm amazed to learn that you haven't read his books. I'm close to (icenine) in having read all of it, and also some reflections on the work by others. I have always thought that much of it is pretty deeply cynical, but it keeps proving out. We keep finding ourselves where he warned we would. I can understand that you might have an allergy to the expressions of someone who treated you so badly back then. That he was such a social chameleon seemed likely, but hearing the descriptions of his actual interactions takes it away from the abstract, making it clear that it was unnerving and scary. I always thought that A Scanner Darkly came from a pretty odd place. Even odder than I suspected, as it turns out.
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permalink #204 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Thu 20 Jun 24 00:08
permalink #204 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Thu 20 Jun 24 00:08
Linda, I guess the summation would be that his last years were comparatively calm and very productive! I remember him at our Thursday night gatherings -- where most of the attendees were friends and fellow employees at the Tinder Box tobacco shop, not any sort of "writers' group" -- where he was always cheerful and funny. I remember that when some guest seemed isolated and ill-at-ease, Phil would get chatting with him. Everybody was always turned out at midnight, and I remember that the week after his death a big stuffed emu was discovered on our back porch at midnight, and I wondered if he could somehow be responsible. (What are you talking about, Powers?) (I don't know, it was a long time ago and I can't have been sober.) I guess I'd ask you what you'd says to 21-year-old Linda, now, if you had a time-machine that allowed five-minute visits. Alternatively, if you like, I'd ask you -- as I'd ask myself -- isn't it disconcerting to find things you said and did fifty years ago, when we were not quite, or barely, old enough to drink, being scrutinized today by literary historians? William, I don't think cynical is the right word. Remember the factory-reject brain-units huddling under cardboard in the rain, in "Now Wait For Last Year"? It effectively evokes pity! Or, from that same book, the dialogue on the last page: Eric Sweetscent asks an automated taxi if he should leave his hopelessly brain-damaged wife, and the taxi tells him that it would stay with her because "To abandon her would be to say, I can't endure reality as such. I have to have uniquely special easier conditions." And when Sweetscent agrees, the taxi tells him, "God bless you, sir. I can see that you're a good man." And in many of the books, all the little people with jobs and rent -- sweeping the sidewalk before opening their shops in the morning -- are never portrayed mockingly or condescendingly. You could call the God or gods of his books cynical -- careless and perverse and uncaring -- but the viewpoint is on the side of the poor characters who have to live in those terrible worlds.
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permalink #205 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Thu 20 Jun 24 00:13
permalink #205 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Thu 20 Jun 24 00:13
-- Vonnegut, on the other hand, I think could be called cynical. He puts his characters in situations that should evoke pity and compassion, but he always seems to be at least somewhat making fun of them and their small concerns. "So it goes."
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permalink #206 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 20 Jun 24 01:52
permalink #206 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 20 Jun 24 01:52
<yesway> I did try to read one of his books once back then - I dont remember which - but the world it portrayed was so bleak, and the male-female relationships were so devoid of light, or love or hope that I didnt want to contemplate what it might portend for my own future. But I did read most of the books that were assigned to the students at the SF State class and I was blown away by how good they are. The downside of some of them, like Confessions of a Crap Artist, were that I couldnt help but see that the main characters were Phil and his third wife
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permalink #207 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 20 Jun 24 01:57
permalink #207 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 20 Jun 24 01:57
and some of the situations and settings were so close to real life that it took me out of the story. Dont know why I got truncated just then.
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permalink #208 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 20 Jun 24 02:41
permalink #208 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 20 Jun 24 02:41
>> I guess I'd ask you what you'd says to 21-year-old Linda, now, if you had a time-machine that allowed five-minute visits.>> Id say dont let Will McNelly [the professor at Cal State Fullerton who taught the Science Fiction class that started this whole ball rolling] encourage you to write a cute letter to a strange man. Pay attention to your intuition that McNelly is somehow providing you for Phil; in retrospect, I can see how McNelly would have earned appreciation from Phil for providing him with a Dark-Haired Girl. There was always a whiff of lecherous old man about it. Maybe Phil didnt even ask him to tell me he wanted me to pick him up at the airport. Maybe McNelly suggested it himself. >>Alternatively, if you like, I'd ask you -- as I'd ask myself -- isn't it disconcerting to find things you said and did fifty years ago, when we were not quite, or barely, old enough to drink, being scrutinized today by literary historians?>> Oh, yes. I wish I had been wise beyond my years and said more portentous things. We should have discussed his work and I should have written scholarly articles examining the meaning of things he said that would give us valuable insights that would continue to reveal truths that only become apparent in hindsight. I should have taken pictures. As it is, I think you were a genius to have kept a journal.
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permalink #209 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 20 Jun 24 02:48
permalink #209 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 20 Jun 24 02:48
And I wish I could have been part of the gang. I reread my notes for the talk I gave prior to this discussion and I was amused to note the following two bullet points: Phil assaults Linda Everyone goes to the movies
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permalink #210 of 241: William F. Stockton (yesway) Thu 20 Jun 24 08:12
permalink #210 of 241: William F. Stockton (yesway) Thu 20 Jun 24 08:12
Thanks for your perceptive answer Tim. I guess my sense of his cynicism is tied to the sources of peoples travails in the futures he envisioned. Palmer Eldritch, and all of the other ruthless types running those worlds, shaped my own sense of the prevalence and dominance of greedy narcissists in our own. Also the willingness of society to just take the deterioration of society in stride. Your point about Vonnegut is well made, but I have always felt the humor was sort of the point. Its how the Irish sustained their culture in the face of degradation and oppression. Linda, your description of his obsessiveness and propensity for violence, and other forms of cruelty, brought me a new understanding of the way a warped sense of self can inform a creative persons work. I will revisit some of the books with a new perspective thanks to both of you. The thing that has always unnerved me is the way the scenarios Dick imagined keep becoming part of our actual reality. Elon Musk seems to be emulating Eldritch. Ubik points to the surveillance economy we now inhabit. His cynicism about the capitalist juggernaut has always seemed to me to be earned wisdom. I share that sensibility.
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permalink #211 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Thu 20 Jun 24 09:05
permalink #211 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Thu 20 Jun 24 09:05
Linda, wow, you make some good points there! McNelly providing Phil with a Dark-Haired Girl ... ugh. In fifty years that never occurred to me. And yes, we should have taken pictures! Lots of them!
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permalink #212 of 241: Andrew Alden (alden) Thu 20 Jun 24 11:42
permalink #212 of 241: Andrew Alden (alden) Thu 20 Jun 24 11:42
And the "smart" door in Galactic Pot-Healer that threatens to sue protagonist Joe Chip is a premonition too.
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permalink #213 of 241: Tiffany Lee Brown (magdalen) Thu 20 Jun 24 13:54
permalink #213 of 241: Tiffany Lee Brown (magdalen) Thu 20 Jun 24 13:54
linda, thank you for noting this about PKD and the crowd: - Phil assaults Linda - Everyone goes to the movies though i would like to think this is changing, in the #MeToo era, i think this is pretty standard-issue behavior in our society. add in fame, cult following, etcetera, and you get even more of that denial. no one wants to believe that the Special Person in their midst -- their special SF author, their indie rock star, the cool person who makes their whole crowd seem more awesome -- is doing terrible things, even if they secretly know or suspect that's happening. fame and power, even smallish-potatoes level fame or power, seem to create these situations. thank you for telling your side of the story. this is ultimately a #MeToo story, and we need to keep telling those. over and over. until stuff changes.
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permalink #214 of 241: William F. Stockton (yesway) Thu 20 Jun 24 16:38
permalink #214 of 241: William F. Stockton (yesway) Thu 20 Jun 24 16:38
Word.
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permalink #215 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 20 Jun 24 16:40
permalink #215 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 20 Jun 24 16:40
>>The thing that has always unnerved me is the way the scenarios Dick imagined keep becoming part of our actual reality. I know! Was Phil a visionary and prophet? There are many synchronicities around Phil. Are they just coincidence, plain and simple? Today, the technology in Minority Report, looks dated, when at first it was mind-blowing! Using a transparent board as a screen? Grabbing items on the screen and moving them around? >>McNelly providing Phil with a Dark-Haired Girl ... ugh. In fifty years that never occurred to me. It's in the letter I wrote to Phil, posted early in this discussion, that I had the impression I was being provided to him.
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permalink #216 of 241: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Thu 20 Jun 24 21:25
permalink #216 of 241: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Thu 20 Jun 24 21:25
Thanks to all, fascinating conversation.
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permalink #217 of 241: Alex Davie (icenine) Sat 22 Jun 24 02:39
permalink #217 of 241: Alex Davie (icenine) Sat 22 Jun 24 02:39
Am most emphatically in agreeance with Robin, all the way around.. thanking Linda and Tim for being open to such a conversation about PKD, arguably one of the towering giants of Sci-Fi and Alt-Universe fiction whose prophetic and visionary musings have provided me with untold hours of reading and pondering and most of all, enjoyment even though at times it was rough going due to his content.. Being able to see through Tim and Lindas eyes, PKD in all his foible-filled and crippling realities of how he got through each day was truly to me, revelatory..I came away from this discussion with a renewed sense of how great a writer he was even though his visions and writings cost him, his loved ones and his close friends much, in the end.. on a personal note, as survivor of two separate strokes, I am grateful beyond measure that I did not succumb to either of them and lived to tell tale while sadly PKD did not..I am left with an awareness that PKD might not have said or wrote all that he could have had he survived into old age but what he left behind was simply some of the best shit* out there and only he could have written it *I use that term with the utmost respect and admiration for what he accomplished And I end this missive with the fervent hope that PKD did not suffer in the end as he had in life..
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permalink #218 of 241: Tiffany Lee Brown (magdalen) Sat 22 Jun 24 17:42
permalink #218 of 241: Tiffany Lee Brown (magdalen) Sat 22 Jun 24 17:42
as a footnote: i just read a book called "Monsters" by Claire Dederer that might be useful to anyone who is trying to process their uncertainty or confusion about how one can reconcile our knowledge of an artist/writer's biography (and bad doings) with our love of their work. Dederer's book doesn't really solve the problem, but it's a nice read and offers perspective and possibilities. to men especially i would suggest reading it, particularly the last 3/4. for women some of that might feel redundant. we've already lived it.
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permalink #219 of 241: Alex Davie (icenine) Mon 24 Jun 24 02:16
permalink #219 of 241: Alex Davie (icenine) Mon 24 Jun 24 02:16
Thanking you, T May have to get that book
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permalink #220 of 241: Wagner James Au (wjamesau) Mon 24 Jun 24 11:10
permalink #220 of 241: Wagner James Au (wjamesau) Mon 24 Jun 24 11:10
I collected some highlights from this chat and with permission, put them on my blog, which (doctorow) kindly retweeted: https://x.com/slhamlet/status/1804272692943901088 (Bit of stretch, as my blog is about the Metaverse, but PKD had a pretty big influence on virtual worlds/cyberpunk/etc.)
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permalink #221 of 241: Paulina Borsook (loris) Mon 24 Jun 24 13:09
permalink #221 of 241: Paulina Borsook (loris) Mon 24 Jun 24 13:09
good job of excerpting
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permalink #222 of 241: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Mon 24 Jun 24 14:49
permalink #222 of 241: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Mon 24 Jun 24 14:49
Yes, and thanks!
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permalink #223 of 241: Michael C. Berch (mcb) Thu 4 Jul 24 18:59
permalink #223 of 241: Michael C. Berch (mcb) Thu 4 Jul 24 18:59
From early June: > <mcb> has The Fan Letter. Observations, comments, chuckles? Yikes. I am nearly 150? posts behind in this topic and I have not yet chimed in on the Fan Letter. Even as far as I am into the topic I am still gettng my bearings as to the timeline and chronology. From the posts here and excerpts from the letter I get the idea that PKD was, if not actually addled, somewhat inconsistent about time and space (which certainly came through in his works!). And of course I am curious about the 1972 photos whic apparently did not come out and the exposed film was returned to him? Or were those later photos? Maybe I am not parsing his sentence correctly. And the concept of Tim as an intermediary (if that is the right word) is interesting in its own right. I should go back and read everything from about June 15 or so to see what I didn't pick up on.
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permalink #224 of 241: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Wed 4 Sep 24 09:23
permalink #224 of 241: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Wed 4 Sep 24 09:23
Linda and Tim joined me for a followup discussion of Philip Dick for the Plutopia News Network podcast: <https://youtu.be/kb1EG_k-EIo?si=nRxGo_Lahoo1e9TA>
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permalink #225 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Sat 7 Sep 24 17:17
permalink #225 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Sat 7 Sep 24 17:17
Jon, thanks for posting that! Regarding Phil's name... Here's a quote from an interview with James Holmes in 1971: James Holmes: That is the sound of snuff inhaling by Mr. Philip Dick. Philip K. Dick: K. James Holmes: What? Philip K. Dick: Middle initial K. James Holmes: Philip Philip K. Dick: K. Dick. James Holmes: K. Dick. Philip K. Dick: Like Robert K. Heinlein. James Holmes: Is it Robert Philip K. Dick: Isaac K. James Holmes: Is that the way you prefer to be known to the world? Philip K. Dick: Only legally and professionally.
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