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permalink #76 of 531: Transforming energy since 1949. (jonl) Tue 5 Nov 24 07:49
permalink #76 of 531: Transforming energy since 1949. (jonl) Tue 5 Nov 24 07:49
Perhaps so - I searched for it using the NY Times search and Google search, and couldn't find it. I was wondering if perhaps they removed it?
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permalink #77 of 531: Axon (axon) Tue 5 Nov 24 07:56
permalink #77 of 531: Axon (axon) Tue 5 Nov 24 07:56
I think early voting may change the dynamic where applicable. I expect to see a couple of lead changes over the course of the count, as early and mail in votes are counted first, favoring blue, then the rural districts report a red shift, yielding to blue(r) again as urban districts report. The time zone effect will also favor blue early as northeastern states favor blue, then the Midwest and intermountain west states favor red, then west coast states assert more indigo as their polls close near midnight in the network HQs in New York, DC, and Atlanta. It's gonna be an allnighter.
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permalink #78 of 531: Larry Person (lperson) Tue 5 Nov 24 08:41
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permalink #79 of 531: William F. Stockton (yesway) Tue 5 Nov 24 08:46
permalink #79 of 531: William F. Stockton (yesway) Tue 5 Nov 24 08:46
I would be very surprised.
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permalink #80 of 531: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Tue 5 Nov 24 08:47
permalink #80 of 531: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Tue 5 Nov 24 08:47
Emily, thanks for electoral-vote.com. I don't dare turn on the TV for fear of finding myself 24 hours later, even more dazed and confused than I already am. A site that I can check throughout the day seems much more manageable.
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permalink #81 of 531: William F. Stockton (yesway) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:08
permalink #81 of 531: William F. Stockton (yesway) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:08
Two quotes Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. - HH DL When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. - HST I think things might get chaotic in a few places. Two or three events to reflect on. The Brooks Brothers riot, and Kyle Rittenhouse. Two ends of a spectrum of reactionary militant responses to chaos and a power vacuum. I hope we dont have any guys like the fool at Mar-a-Lago aiming to disrupt things. The difference between now and 11/22/2000 is that the protestors show up in camos with long guns. I hope things stay quiet. Nobody can shut off TFGs mic now. He has his own platform.
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permalink #82 of 531: Axon (axon) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:18
permalink #82 of 531: Axon (axon) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:18
>I'm beginning to think we're going to know tonight Before dawn, certainly.
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permalink #83 of 531: Stoney Tangawizi (evan) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:21
permalink #83 of 531: Stoney Tangawizi (evan) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:21
That would be great but Im not holding my breath. If I had to bet, Id bet on a week at least while Trumpian shenanigans go on. At the end, hell lose but it could be a really annoying process.
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permalink #84 of 531: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:23
permalink #84 of 531: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:23
axon wrote: >It seems as though the meat of the MAGA are not economically distressed, but instead offended about progressive culture shifts that erode their historical white privilege. They're certainly being *told* that they are being marginalized economically, but if so they should be easy pickups for the Biden/Harris economic recovery. I have reluctantly come around to believing this, as well, like the last remaining scale of American exceptionalism falling from my eyes.
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permalink #85 of 531: a (coiro) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:35
permalink #85 of 531: a (coiro) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:35
I saw a headline this week (didn't click) that young adults increasingly don't believe in American exceptionalism - that ours is any better a country than anyone else's. Not a bad thing, I don't think. It's hard to fix a problem until it's assessed and quantified, and believing we're something special has landed us in one mess after another. My 30-ish nephew, way too experienced for his age with the health care and insurance systems here, had zero problems slamming the door behind him to go live in France. There's your downside.
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permalink #86 of 531: magdalen (magdalen) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:36
permalink #86 of 531: magdalen (magdalen) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:36
> let alone polling neck and neck thank you, Andrew, for being a rare Internet commenter who doesn't post, "neck in neck." jstraw, thank you for the All Orifices Are Clenched image, which shall remain with me throughout the proceedings! and now, a long post, taking us back to The Well of past years, when an orange-faced man was president... Back in October of 2017, a bunch of us in The Well's News conference (we call our online forums "conferences" here, for the uninitiated...) Anyhoo, we're discussing the newly Trumpified era in all its urgency. The subject at hand was bridging the divide. Several of us listened to this fascinating episode of On Being, which featured Jonathan Haidt on the psychology of self-righteousness.* Our dear Wellfriend Angie Coiro wrote, and I quote with her permission: "We can't bridge the divide. That ship has sailed. We can't expect people to be other than what they are. The way the 'other side' sees the world has almost nothing in common with 'this side'...Ain't gonna happen." So I wrote this big ol' response about different people and people in my family and some friends being conservatives. I wrote about what I'd learned since leaving the liberal Portland bubble, living on the road a while, then settling into purple territory with deep red roots. I wrote about my dad, a deep red Republican his entire life, who was nevertheless a very smart, thoughtful, and compassionate man, a Stanford graduate who read The Economist every week and had a Ronald Reagan Ranch calendar over his desk. My dad's one of the most interesting and open-minded thinkers I've ever known... and a Republican. Unfortunately, my rural Internet connection died before I could finish the post. I gave up in a huff. By the time I came back to try again, I had a much shorter and more potent response to make. It was this: - - - - - - - - - Topic 3509 [news]: News of the World, Mars, and Beyond Response #652 of 1892: "three vise men or a wirgin" (magdalen) > that ship has sailed. no, it hasn't. my father is visiting. he just told me he's registered with the Democratic Party! people change, my friends, they do! - - - - - - - - - * Haidt is the guy currently super popular for his book The Anxious Generation. The On Being episode mentioned above can be found at https://onbeing.org/programs/jonathan-haidt-the-psychology-of-self-righteousne ss-oct2017 or on your podcast platform.
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permalink #87 of 531: a (coiro) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:39
permalink #87 of 531: a (coiro) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:39
Now that it's the big day: coping mechanisms? I'm afraid I'll be compulsively watching YouTube videos all day* (except for driving my ballot downtown), and you bet I'm completely ready to forgive myself whatever I need to do to get through. What all are you doing as the time creeps by? *court proceedings, sovereign citizens interacting with normal people, and - so shoot me - cat videos. Now you know. mag slipped in with my very own words!
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permalink #88 of 531: a (coiro) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:41
permalink #88 of 531: a (coiro) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:41
And while I appreciate your abbreviated response, magdalen, I do wish I'd seen the original.
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permalink #89 of 531: Transforming energy since 1949. (jonl) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:45
permalink #89 of 531: Transforming energy since 1949. (jonl) Tue 5 Nov 24 09:45
I'm shying away from single/simple explanations of MAGA. It seems driven by diverse motives and beliefs that aren't consistent across the nation. A lot have bought the Fox fantasies that feed fear and discontent, others may network with Q Anons, and there may be those who honestly believe that MAGA victory will be good for the economy or for their particular concerns. What's weird to me is that they are so accepting of Trump's apocalyptic vision of America, that they reject the hopeful vision Democrats offer in favor of grievance and fear. I've been thinking Harris is well positioned to win, but I remind myself how I was feeling after the 2016 Democratic convention, which was such a wonderful and positive event - and seeing the darkness around the Republican convention... how could Hillary lose? But she lost, because Trump managed to take the electoral collage. I'm sure that can happen again. So I'm not making assumptions, I just think we'll know when we know, and then we'll have to deal with it.
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permalink #90 of 531: Larry Person (lperson) Tue 5 Nov 24 10:28
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permalink #91 of 531: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Tue 5 Nov 24 10:30
permalink #91 of 531: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Tue 5 Nov 24 10:30
My coping mechanism is distraction. Were on our eighth errand of the morning. This is not like me.
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permalink #92 of 531: Axon (axon) Tue 5 Nov 24 10:32
permalink #92 of 531: Axon (axon) Tue 5 Nov 24 10:32
>coping mechanisms? Total immersion here. MSNBC on as background video (I have music on audio), reloading new tweets, monitoring socmed generally. Dispensing doses of hopium PRN. >I'm sure that can happen again. I'm not. It's a nonzero probability, sure, but it's incalculably remote. This is not 2016, and rehearsing the PTSD from that debacle is not the same as resolving it. The myriad reasons Clinton lost do not need to be relitigated now, but it is worth remembering that there *was* a myriad of defects in strategy, tactics and execution, while the Harris surprise launch and dash to the finish has been utterly flawless from wire to wire. Every prominent observer attempting to second guess this campaign has pie on their faces today.
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permalink #93 of 531: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 5 Nov 24 10:37
permalink #93 of 531: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 5 Nov 24 10:37
My simplified read regarding MAGA is that they're willing to accept an alternate reality, either by fully accepting that Trumpist lies are true or by believing that Trump doesn't really intend to do the things he says he'll do. Some people whose beliefs are in the second category are reachable.
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permalink #94 of 531: Larry Person (lperson) Tue 5 Nov 24 10:57
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permalink #95 of 531: a (coiro) Tue 5 Nov 24 11:10
permalink #95 of 531: a (coiro) Tue 5 Nov 24 11:10
Jeezus. "National Guard units in several states and local law enforcement agencies are on alert or standby this week as authorities prepare for any violence by extremist groups upset about the election results. ... Arizona Secretary of State Adrian Fontes told a judge last week that he regularly wears a bulletproof vest because of threats from critics who accused him of not running a fair election system, the Arizona Daily Star reported. ... In New Mexico's Sandoval County, just north of Albuquerque, SWAT team units have been placed on call. Last year, Solomon Peña, an unsuccessful New Mexico Republican candidate for the state House, was facing federal charges for allegedly shooting at Democratic officials' homes. ..." Lots more at <https://www.axios.com/2024/11/04/police-national-guard-prep-election-violence>. I really feel for the poll workers today. Bless them, this is no normal time.
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permalink #96 of 531: With catlike tread (sumac) Tue 5 Nov 24 11:42
permalink #96 of 531: With catlike tread (sumac) Tue 5 Nov 24 11:42
I'm listening the Resistance Revival Chorus with Rhiannon Giddens: "All You Fascists Bound to Lose" -- written by Woody Guthrie. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWUa7aAIfLE>
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permalink #97 of 531: A (coiro) Tue 5 Nov 24 11:52
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permalink #98 of 531: a (coiro) Tue 5 Nov 24 11:53
permalink #98 of 531: a (coiro) Tue 5 Nov 24 11:53
Oh, bless you, Susan. In the interest of keeping spirits high: Dee Snider just posted a pic of an elderly man outdoors, wearing a "2nd Infantry Korea" cap. His tweet: "Today, this 94 year old Korean War veteran (and lifelong Republican) hobbled into the voting booth, crossed party lines and voted for democracy. The very same democracy he fought for 75 years ago. Thank you, Dad! Youve always been my hero!"
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permalink #99 of 531: Drew Trott (druid) Tue 5 Nov 24 12:00
permalink #99 of 531: Drew Trott (druid) Tue 5 Nov 24 12:00
Damn, I have something in my eye.
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permalink #100 of 531: David Gans (tnf) Tue 5 Nov 24 12:09
permalink #100 of 531: David Gans (tnf) Tue 5 Nov 24 12:09
Gotta love Dee Snider! I interviewed him for RECORD magazine in the fall of 1984, when Twisted Sister was touring their hit "We're Not Gonna Take It." He was absolutely giddy because he had recently met his hero, Alce Cooper. He's been standing up for democracy a lot in recent years.
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