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permalink #301 of 558: Larry Person (lperson) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:11
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permalink #302 of 558: Susan Carley Oliver (ohbejoyful) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:16
permalink #302 of 558: Susan Carley Oliver (ohbejoyful) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:16
"They want you to feel powerless and to surrender and to let them trample everything and you are not going to let them." FFS they're going to trample everything regardless of what I do. "Letting" has no place in this conversation. I can't not "let" T and his followers do what they want any more than I "let" them win this election. And I don't feel powerless as much as fear and frustration. I'm 61, and I wanted to be much further down the line by this point. Trump has just wasted 8 years of potential progress, plus all the years he'll be taking back.
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permalink #303 of 558: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:22
permalink #303 of 558: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:22
What part of "I won't vote for someone who would give Israel bombs to drop on my family" is idiotic? I'm sure many of them didn't vote at all, which is just as much an implicit vote for Trump as a vote for Stein is.
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permalink #304 of 558: Ari Davidow (ari) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:26
permalink #304 of 558: Ari Davidow (ari) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:26
Oh, ffs. We all need to take the day off. Thrashing about blaming this election's most convenient stereotypes and assumptions just reinforces otherhood and does nothing to prepare us for the next phase of the fight. It also leaves us with fewer allies with whom to resume the fight.
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permalink #305 of 558: Larry Person (lperson) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:26
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permalink #306 of 558: Charles R. Karish (karish) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:30
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permalink #307 of 558: a (coiro) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:30
permalink #307 of 558: a (coiro) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:30
It might be a premature question, but: A lot of us have been rocked to the bottom of our souls. It's in the posts here and on every conceivable social platform. I'm wondering how you see this affecting your day-to-day life. Not how you feel today - which this space is also excellent for - but how you'll approach life differently now. What you'll do and not do, how you'll see the world - in ways that weren't true yesterday. Will you still involve yourself in politics - activism, getting out the vote, sharing campaign information? Or is that over for you, at least for the foreseeable future? Anything else you've been doing you're inclined to give up now? Anything you haven't done (fleeing the country is a big topic today) that you're more moved to do now? How will this affect your life?
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permalink #308 of 558: Drew Trott (druid) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:35
permalink #308 of 558: Drew Trott (druid) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:35
The Dems have been over a barrel w/r/t Palestine for a long time. If they antagonize AIPAC they will be primaried and someone who toes the line may take their jobs. I think Biden might have leaned harder on Netanyahu this year, but the nuclear option -- withholding aid and UN vetoes -- would have been disastrous for many Democratic candidates, possibly including the top of the ticket. That's the political reality, and it will be a tragedy for all concerned if abstentions over Palestine made a difference in this election. At the same time, it's cruel and useless to call people stupid for making this choice when American bombs are falling on their own relatives. (slippage)
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permalink #309 of 558: Andrew Alden (alden) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:40
permalink #309 of 558: Andrew Alden (alden) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:40
Clearly the Democrats need to field more felons and rapists and fascists, but those seem to be thin on the ground.
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permalink #310 of 558: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:43
permalink #310 of 558: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:43
Where was Bob Menendez when we needed him?
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permalink #311 of 558: Drew Trott (druid) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:49
permalink #311 of 558: Drew Trott (druid) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:49
A question much on my mind this morning: How many of Der Fuhrer's campaign promises will he actually try to put into effect? I suspect the tariffs will disappear overnight. The mass deportations may founder on various fronts -- court challenges, lack of funding, logistical incompetence -- if any attempt is made to pursue them. The ideal situation for the Greedy Old Patriarchs might be for the Dems to get control of the House so they (the GOP) can pretend to pursue these policies and then blame their failure on the Dems.
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permalink #312 of 558: Lolly Lewis (lolly) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:53
permalink #312 of 558: Lolly Lewis (lolly) Wed 6 Nov 24 10:53
>>I'm still me. Thanks, Angie.
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permalink #313 of 558: Axon (axon) Wed 6 Nov 24 11:18
permalink #313 of 558: Axon (axon) Wed 6 Nov 24 11:18
>how you'll approach life differently now As I mentioned elsewell, our plan is to GTFO. This is no longer our homeland.
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permalink #314 of 558: Richard Lawler (richardl) Wed 6 Nov 24 11:31
permalink #314 of 558: Richard Lawler (richardl) Wed 6 Nov 24 11:31
Am I still me? I was an American. A Democrat. A Californian. I am an ally and advocate for the environment and clean energy. I am an ally and advocate for social justice. I am an ally and advocate for criminal justice reform. I am an ally and advocate for universal health care. Are those still thing?
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permalink #315 of 558: Richard Lawler (richardl) Wed 6 Nov 24 11:32
permalink #315 of 558: Richard Lawler (richardl) Wed 6 Nov 24 11:32
I am obviously not an advocate of proofreading.
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permalink #316 of 558: a (coiro) Wed 6 Nov 24 11:35
permalink #316 of 558: a (coiro) Wed 6 Nov 24 11:35
No, it's not mine either, ax. Not for a lot of us. We're officially people without a country now. As condorito writes above, "the US has been an irredeemably evil shithole country forever", and I get that. But I held hope it could be different. I don't hold that hope anymore. You can't make people do or be what they don't want to do or be. Different values, priorities, vision - there's no way to make a path together. As to what that means for me day to day? As I noted above, I'm focusing on the priorities I've always had, minus any efforts to affect anything national. It's all local and regional for me now - my money, my effort, my spirit. Won't get fooled again. To that point: at least on, may some of those are still things, Richard. You'll still pass homeless people on the street, and you'll have to see them now as permanently discarded - not even getting lip service from our leaders anymore. But you can still buy them a meal. As to the rest: I don't know. It's hard to row forward when everyone else on board is rowing backward.
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permalink #317 of 558: Transforming energy since 1949. (jonl) Wed 6 Nov 24 11:37
permalink #317 of 558: Transforming energy since 1949. (jonl) Wed 6 Nov 24 11:37
Somebody compared this to the dog chasing the car, and finally catching it. They're having a "now what?" moment. Yeah, they have a big plan drawn with Project 2025, but there's no guarantee Trump will follow it or do much of anything that will distract much from cheating at golf. I suppose we'll have some bang, but even more whimper. We'll see. > How will this affect your life? Thinking about that. If anything it might finally break my writer's block. I think the best way I can be useful is by writing. And I want to encourage people to be kind to each other, whatever else is happening, and not buy into the cruelty we've too often seen in the world of Trump and his minions.
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permalink #318 of 558: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Wed 6 Nov 24 11:55
permalink #318 of 558: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Wed 6 Nov 24 11:55
Angie's <293> is where I'm at.
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permalink #319 of 558: Ron Levin (eclectic2) Wed 6 Nov 24 12:19
permalink #319 of 558: Ron Levin (eclectic2) Wed 6 Nov 24 12:19
<there's no guarantee Trump will follow it or do much of anything that will distract much from cheating at golf> I think he's going to try and do everything he said he wants to do (tariffs, deportation, shrink and weaponize the federal government), but most especially get revenge on his enemies.
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permalink #320 of 558: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Wed 6 Nov 24 12:52
permalink #320 of 558: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Wed 6 Nov 24 12:52
The only good news is that nobody is calling the results for the house yet -- though Dems have a big gap to get to 50%. No plans, except to hunker down.
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permalink #321 of 558: a (coiro) Wed 6 Nov 24 12:57
permalink #321 of 558: a (coiro) Wed 6 Nov 24 12:57
Good plan. KALW San Francisco, a small but doughty public radio station, sent this to its members and listeners just now. "Dear KALW listeners, family, and friends, This morning, I want you to hear our resolve. I want you to know that KALW is going to fight as hard as we can in support of youour listenersin helping to create the community we want to live in together. KALW is a unique and powerful place, and our ongoing relationship with our listeners and members and community is the force that drives us forward. And we must go forward. There is no going back. Because this station matters. Our values matter. Our practices matter. The belief we have in the power of belonging matters. So we are more committed than ever to help bring us into the future in a way that combats the silencing, isolation, alienation, and increasing illiteracy so many in this country are dealing with. 2025 is around the corner. We now know some of the conditions we will face. We must remain incredibly strong in our resolve to do right by each other, and in our resolve to do right by the communities we serve near and far. We at KALW Public Media are so resolved. In peace, progress, and sound. James Kass Executive Director"
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permalink #322 of 558: Tiffany (magdalen) Wed 6 Nov 24 14:04
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permalink #323 of 558: William F. Stockton (yesway) Wed 6 Nov 24 16:36
permalink #323 of 558: William F. Stockton (yesway) Wed 6 Nov 24 16:36
Theyre not running me off. I didnt come here, and I aint leaving. All but one of my great grandparents were born in California. When the first of my ancestors got here, they had to become Mexican citizens to own land. This is my country, and Ill defend the rights and freedoms of its citizens from all enemies, foreign or domestic. If your answer is to leave, go in peace. Itll save you having to choose a side, or surrender to the usurpers. My only regret is that I could have spent 6 days working on my barn roof, instead of annoying hundreds of Nevadans. Cest la vie.
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permalink #324 of 558: Elizabeth Churchill (leroyleroy) Wed 6 Nov 24 17:01
permalink #324 of 558: Elizabeth Churchill (leroyleroy) Wed 6 Nov 24 17:01
> If your answer is to leave, go in peace. Itll save you having to choose a side, or surrender to the usurpers. Or maybe itll save your transgender child from being denied healthcare, from being taken away from her family and forced to go through conversion therapy. Maybe it will be the only way you can afford your own health care. Maybe itll save you from being arrested for providing health care for women. Different people will have all kinds of very good reasons to leave, if they can afford to. Leaving certainly doesnt make them cowards.
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permalink #325 of 558: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Wed 6 Nov 24 17:20
permalink #325 of 558: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Wed 6 Nov 24 17:20
We could go to Canada, as F. was born there and his family is all there. But I don't want to. This is my country, and now his as well. This is our home. I have many friends who live here and really don't have the ability to leave. So I'd rather stay and try to be an anchor and help to others who need it here. I'm old anyway, I don't want to make a new life.
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