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permalink #451 of 578: David Turoff (condorito) Tue 12 Nov 24 15:51
permalink #451 of 578: David Turoff (condorito) Tue 12 Nov 24 15:51
Just so.
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permalink #452 of 578: David Turoff (condorito) Tue 12 Nov 24 15:55
permalink #452 of 578: David Turoff (condorito) Tue 12 Nov 24 15:55
But the morons too pure of heart to vote for Harris because Gaza/genocide are no doubt well satisfied with the Kushner luxury condos.
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permalink #453 of 578: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Tue 12 Nov 24 16:15
permalink #453 of 578: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Tue 12 Nov 24 16:15
I suspect a lot of them are so despairing they aren't measuring things as we would.
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permalink #454 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Tue 12 Nov 24 16:36
permalink #454 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Tue 12 Nov 24 16:36
>>[Rashida Tlaib's sister] is connected with Arab Americans in her community who supported Trump, drawn by the anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric of his party. Some people supported him regardless of Gaza, she said.<< <https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/11/election-results-2024-trump-harris -michigan-muslim.html> Zero sympathy. Many were never going to vote for a Democrat because of anti-LGBT bigotry.
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permalink #455 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 13 Nov 24 16:56
permalink #455 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 13 Nov 24 16:56
Tulsi Gabbard for Director of National Intelligence. Matt Gaetz for Attorney General. The transition is developing a bread and circuses vibe. I try to resist conspiracy thinking, but these nominations are so bonkers that I wonder where I should really be looking for the real action. I wonder if even this up coming Senate will find confirming Gaetz as AG of the USA too hard to stomach.
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permalink #456 of 578: a (coiro) Wed 13 Nov 24 19:12
permalink #456 of 578: a (coiro) Wed 13 Nov 24 19:12
Tom Nichols is once again worth your time. His summary of Tulsi Gabbard's credentials - gift link: <https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2024/11/tulsi-gabbard-nominati on-secutirity/680649/?gift=1GQFLaQ1yhOu7hhb3PZC3LJzM6cPEaNQQYdv3pwIa48&utm_sou rce=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share> Tulsi Gabbards Nomination Is a National-Security Risk Excerpts: ... shes no peacemaker: Shes been an apologist for both the Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad and Russias Vladimir Putin. Her politics, which are otherwise incoherent, tend to be sympathetic to these two strongmen, painting America as the problem and the dictators as misunderstood. ... Gabbard met with Assad, saying that peace in Syria was only possible if the international community would have a conversation with him. Let the Syrian people themselves determine their future, not the United States, not some foreign country, Gabbard said, after chatting with a man who had stopped the Syrian people from determining their own future by using chemical weapons on them ... ... Tom Rogan, a conservative writer and hardly a liberal handwringer, summed up her record succinctly in the Washington Examiner today: She has blamed NATO and the U.S. for Russias invasion of Ukraine ... When she appeared on Sean Hannitys show in 2022, even Hannity blanched at Gabbard floating off in a haze of Kremlin talking points and cheerleading for Russia. When Hannity is trying to shepherd you back toward the air lock before your oxygen runs out, youve gone pretty far out there.
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permalink #457 of 578: Andrew Alden (alden) Wed 13 Nov 24 19:33
permalink #457 of 578: Andrew Alden (alden) Wed 13 Nov 24 19:33
Gaetz has resigned his House seat, effective immediately. I suspect his real aim was to curtail the sex-crimes investigation by the House, which is suddenly moot. The Senate can reject him and then he'll be free to join the right-wing grievance-and-insults circuit. The Senate approves him (and I think they won't) and he's head of the Justice Department, yay!
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permalink #458 of 578: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Wed 13 Nov 24 19:44
permalink #458 of 578: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Wed 13 Nov 24 19:44
Or Trump just leaves him as "acting".
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permalink #459 of 578: Jennifer Simon (fingers) Wed 13 Nov 24 21:22
permalink #459 of 578: Jennifer Simon (fingers) Wed 13 Nov 24 21:22
<scribbled by fingers Wed 13 Nov 24 21:30>
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permalink #460 of 578: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Thu 14 Nov 24 05:40
permalink #460 of 578: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Thu 14 Nov 24 05:40
All of the monster's nominees will be approved.
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permalink #461 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Thu 14 Nov 24 06:01
permalink #461 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Thu 14 Nov 24 06:01
Or he'll adjourn congress.
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permalink #462 of 578: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Thu 14 Nov 24 06:08
permalink #462 of 578: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Thu 14 Nov 24 06:08
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Suggest you read HCR's latest: <https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/november-13-2024> "Then, too, Trump remains old and mentally slipping, and he is increasingly isolated as people fight over the power he has brought within their grasp. Today his wife, Melania, declined the traditional invitation from First Lady Jill Biden for tea at the White House and suggested she will not be returning to the presidential mansion with her husband. It is not clear either that Trump will be able to control the scrabbling for power over the party by those he has brought into the executive branch, or that he has much to offer elected Republicans who no longer need his voters, suggesting that Congress could reassert its power. "Falling into line behind Trump at this point is not necessarily a good move for a Republican interested in a future political career."
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permalink #463 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Thu 14 Nov 24 06:22
permalink #463 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Thu 14 Nov 24 06:22
As usual, what she wrote makes sense to me. On the specific point about adjourning congress, I don't think the less-horrible republican senators, or any senator, has a choice. The president's power to adjourn congress has never been tested, right?
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permalink #464 of 578: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Thu 14 Nov 24 07:05
permalink #464 of 578: Michael Newman (jstrawtoo) Thu 14 Nov 24 07:05
>>elected Republicans who no longer need his voters Say what, now? They don't need the cult members? Of course they do.
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permalink #465 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 14 Nov 24 07:18
permalink #465 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 14 Nov 24 07:18
Looking for some good news? Maybe this will qualify: The Onion, in partnership with Sandy Hook Families, has purchased InfoWars. Announcement on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/bencollins.bsky.social NY Times story: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/business/media/alex-jones-infowars-the-onio n.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Z04.AIN1.l8m4R2-M9kom&smid=url-share "The publication plans to reintroduce Infowars in January as a parody of itself, mocking 'weird internet personalities' like Mr. Jones who traffic in misinformation and health supplements, Ben Collins, the chief executive of The Onions parent company, Global Tetrahedron, said in an interview." They've already got an advertiser, too: "Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit dedicated to ending gun violence that was founded in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting, will advertise on a relaunched version of the site under The Onion."
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permalink #466 of 578: Axon (axon) Thu 14 Nov 24 08:21
permalink #466 of 578: Axon (axon) Thu 14 Nov 24 08:21
I was wondering how The Onion would continue to thrive competiting with <gestures at everything>. Brilliant move, and just in time.
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permalink #467 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Thu 14 Nov 24 08:27
permalink #467 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Thu 14 Nov 24 08:27
Maybe Harris should have given them an interview.
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permalink #468 of 578: David Turoff (condorito) Thu 14 Nov 24 09:04
permalink #468 of 578: David Turoff (condorito) Thu 14 Nov 24 09:04
I think there are still a few sitting Reputincon legislators in both houses who voted to impeach and convict, respectively, so Trumps hold over congress is bound to be at least marginally incomplete. This will likely be reflected in confirmation votes for Gaetz and the like. If Trump unilaterally adjourns congress, many more Rs will take exception to that, and they may gavel themselves into session anyway, and then well see if the SCOTUS shitstains are really ready to endorse actual monarchy.
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permalink #469 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 14 Nov 24 10:18
permalink #469 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 14 Nov 24 10:18
Senators do like the prestige of being senators, which is substantially linked to the power of pushing the president around some. Still, I have decided to try and be wary of falling into the usual post-election arms-length reactions to nominations and policy signals. That appropriate for the Before Times, but not anymore. In case anyone feels like they can't talk about how they feel anymore: I spent half of a 1-hour therapy session (a $100 value) crying yesterday. There was more than uncertainty and dread about national politics driving that, but it certainly played a big part.
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permalink #470 of 578: DG (tnf) Thu 14 Nov 24 16:06
permalink #470 of 578: DG (tnf) Thu 14 Nov 24 16:06
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permalink #471 of 578: a (coiro) Fri 15 Nov 24 17:35
permalink #471 of 578: a (coiro) Fri 15 Nov 24 17:35
We've entered new depths of normalization. NPR skeeted this today. ‪>>NPR‬ ‪@npr.org‬ · 6h RFK Jr. wants to tackle chronic disease. Despite controversial views on vaccines, his focus on healthy food and taking on special interests may find broad support and face political headwinds.<< "Controversial views"?
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permalink #472 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Fri 15 Nov 24 19:23
permalink #472 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Fri 15 Nov 24 19:23
Laura Helmuth has quit as editor-in-chief of Scientific American, "after facing backlash for comments she made about the 2024 election and voters." Archive of Washington Post article: http://archive.today/SMcZV
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permalink #473 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Fri 15 Nov 24 19:31
permalink #473 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Fri 15 Nov 24 19:31
Isnt musk a free speech absolutist? Also: thats what fascism looks like.
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permalink #474 of 578: a (coiro) Mon 18 Nov 24 10:36
permalink #474 of 578: a (coiro) Mon 18 Nov 24 10:36
This Inkwell conversation is drawing to a close! I'd love to use it as a standing testament to what we *can* do. Please check in with whatever you're doing to make this country better - despite the shit we're wallowing in - in the biggest or smallest ways. You may inspire others. Political, social, whatever. How are you improving what's around us?
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permalink #475 of 578: a (coiro) Mon 18 Nov 24 10:42
permalink #475 of 578: a (coiro) Mon 18 Nov 24 10:42
Me: - I donate to cat rescue groups. A way to address something that never changes: the most innocent beings in terrible situations. The return is immeasurable when some miserably sad stray ends up in a loving home. - I donate to a pet rescue in Ukraine. A tiny way to shovel against an avalanche of horror. - And - last of the donations - every cause I believe in that I can possibly afford to give to: the ACLU, National Wildlife, California Parks, Planned Parenthood. - I use my platforms - online, onstage, and on the air - to spread accurate information and encouragement to keep going. - I donate to feed the hungry. - I support as many honest, hard-laboring news entities with my subscriptions as I can. That's me. That's what I'm doing in this fucked-up world.
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