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permalink #176 of 242: Ron Levin (eclectic2) Tue 21 Jan 25 11:02
permalink #176 of 242: Ron Levin (eclectic2) Tue 21 Jan 25 11:02
<There's no fight over what Jan. 6 meant. There's the truth and there's the disinformation campaign to distort and suppress the truth> That's the fight they're referring to: In Dueling Pardons, an Intensified Fight Over the Meaning of Jan. 6 President Trumps grant of clemency to those who assaulted the Capitol in his name four years ago clashed with his predecessors decision to shield from retribution those who had sought to hold him to account. By Luke Broadwater The dueling pardons issued Monday by the outgoing and incoming presidents were the latest and perhaps clearest reminders of how Donald J. Trumps efforts to rewrite the history of the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol have gradually worn down the consensus that the riot marked one of American democracys darkest days. There has never been any doubt about who was responsible for the violence: Mr. Trumps supporters attacked the building, fought police and ransacked offices as they attempted to block the certification of Joseph R. Biden Jr.s 2020 victory. Republicans and Democrats alike condemned the violence and Mr. Trumps role in summoning an angry crowd to Washington. But four years later, many Americans now view the events of Jan. 6 as a choose-your-own-reality narrative. More: <https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/20/us/politics/biden-trump-jan6-pardons.html>
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permalink #177 of 242: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Tue 21 Jan 25 11:07
permalink #177 of 242: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Tue 21 Jan 25 11:07
The papers I worked for could be lazy and money-fat and smug, but they also published the Pentagon Papers and revealed the crimes of Watergate. And the families that owned them had a commitment to journalism that played out, over time, in the creation of things like the family trust that protected the NYT from outside investors, and which led to regular briefings for Sulzberger family members that emphasize the obligation to produce a great newspaper year after year, in good times and bad, resisting outside pressure and "putting more tomatoes in the soup" when financial pressures have other news organizations pulling back. The results aren't always great â headlines can make me wince, too â but the family has stuck with its principles through a system that has created a multi-generational attention span. Compare that to Bezos and the Post, or the rapacious hedge funds and their acquisitions. I'll take imperfect over utterly craven, thanks, and will continue to urge people to complain when they see something that falls short.
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permalink #178 of 242: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 21 Jan 25 11:12
permalink #178 of 242: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 21 Jan 25 11:12
I've given up on getting upset about online headlines. Their job is to get you to click and read the story, not to accurately and fully represent the contents of the story.
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permalink #179 of 242: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Tue 21 Jan 25 11:47
permalink #179 of 242: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Tue 21 Jan 25 11:47
And they are often of the click-bait form: This famous person did that!
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permalink #180 of 242: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 21 Jan 25 12:41
permalink #180 of 242: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 21 Jan 25 12:41
> Their job is to get you to click and read the story Which doesn't work, when readers are scanning headlines to get a sense of the news and rarely clicking through to the story.
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permalink #181 of 242: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Tue 21 Jan 25 12:47
permalink #181 of 242: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Tue 21 Jan 25 12:47
I know it's hard for news junkies like us to understand just how little news most people consume at all. The headlines on the NYT just don't matter that much any more.
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permalink #182 of 242: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 21 Jan 25 12:48
permalink #182 of 242: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 21 Jan 25 12:48
It also doesn't work if you subscribe to the free headlines newsletters but not to the news.
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permalink #183 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 21 Jan 25 16:01
permalink #183 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 21 Jan 25 16:01
Re "meaning of Jan. 6": I submit that perhaps it was a bad idea for a story from the outset.
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permalink #184 of 242: Ron Levin (eclectic2) Tue 21 Jan 25 18:21
permalink #184 of 242: Ron Levin (eclectic2) Tue 21 Jan 25 18:21
I think the attempted re-writing of history and re-naming of natural bodies to suit the tastes of a budding authoritarian are important stories and should remain closely reported until he's finally gone.
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permalink #185 of 242: someone who just sucked on a dill pickle (wendyg) Wed 22 Jan 25 05:19
permalink #185 of 242: someone who just sucked on a dill pickle (wendyg) Wed 22 Jan 25 05:19
The British satirical (and investigative reporting) magazine Private Eye has skewered US media nicely on its latest front cover: <https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:26tsf647wqnoo7umh4ywwz7a/ bafkreif6k3m4jcktyplnqmmnhltebpbloconus65rg4g75kgf5btjlklsy@jpeg> wg
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permalink #186 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 22 Jan 25 08:40
permalink #186 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 22 Jan 25 08:40
Ouch! Warranted. I agree with you, Ron, about reporting closely and accurately on how Trump is trying to rewrite history, but this week too many major outlets which we have to remember means the reporters, editors and upper management are the news equivalents of cold-stunned turtles. It's not rising to the moment to devote front-page or above-the-fold inches or pixels to arms-length nattering about politics or disinformation. A "dueling versions of the meaning of January 6" article is far, far, far from being a fresh story. I'm wary of using The New York Times as a stalking horse, however, even though it's arguably become the most important and influential legacy news outlet in the United State. So, even setting aside the overall ultra-light coverage of the ultra-right over the past several decades among centrist news outlets they have had nearly a decade to adjust their working methods to covering Trump as a budding authoritarian rather than as an aberration. Rolling Stone, which is a far cry from Democracy Now!, seems to have figured this out.
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permalink #187 of 242: Paula Span (pspan) Wed 22 Jan 25 09:43
permalink #187 of 242: Paula Span (pspan) Wed 22 Jan 25 09:43
Cute, Private Eye. Not true. But cute.
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permalink #188 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 22 Jan 25 10:58
permalink #188 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 22 Jan 25 10:58
Argh, I'm not going to scribble my latest post, but I am going to try and make fewer blanket statements.
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permalink #189 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 22 Jan 25 12:57
permalink #189 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 22 Jan 25 12:57
So, let's flip this around: Whatever did or didn't happen during the election campaign, now Trump's president and he's rolling out the shock-and-awe stress-testing of the system. He's flooded the zone with terrible executive orders, overturned the criminal convictions of 1,600 rioters and racist seditionists who are on his side, nominated a crew of largely unqualified and unquestioning sycophants to run the federal government. And even with all this, there is still more, like his war-mongering, tariff threats and climate denial. So, what do folks here think journalists should be doing at this point to help prevent the United States from becoming the next Singapore, Hong Kong or Nicaragua?
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permalink #190 of 242: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 22 Jan 25 13:14
permalink #190 of 242: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 22 Jan 25 13:14
One thing would be to keep reporting "without fear or favor" despite the too-real possibility of retribution - if not from officials, then from the army of MAGAs who cheerfully make death threats, and possibly militias that will do worse than threaten. I think it's going to take real courage to sustain the "free press." The 4th amendment won't stop a Proud Boy type from planting a bomb in your basement.
They could start by calling balls and strikes again. Calling a nazi salute a nazi salue, e.g. In an authoritative mode. Not speculation, picking the flyshit out of the pepper, and sanitizing for the middlebrow salarymen and soccer moms. Call a fascist a fascist and defend the inevitable defamation suit with vigor and defiance. This is what the right wing media has been doing, and why they are beating the Vichy Press so goddamned always. But the good news is the legit media don't have to lie to do it, and the truth is the ultimate defense against defamation. I know it's expensive, but you count on getting the fees back in the judgment. I was so discouraged to hear Rachel Maddow of all people calling Musk's Seig Heil a "Roman salute". That dictum must have come down from Legal, and she probably had to throw up in her mouth a little to do it. Time to get the litigators out of the newsroom.
A CBS affiliate in Milwaukee has fired a meteorologist for accusing Musk of giving a nazi salute on her own IG account. This is such chickenshit. They should be ashamed of themselves for pretending to be journalists. https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/22/cbs-58s-sam-kuffel-is- out-after-criticizing-elon-musk-arm-gesture/77883983007/
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permalink #193 of 242: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Wed 22 Jan 25 20:26
permalink #193 of 242: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Wed 22 Jan 25 20:26
Ann Coulter said she wished the OK City bombers had driven up to the NYTimes headquarters instead. When I worked there, they did regular bombing and active shooter drills. They are still there, and they are working their asses off.
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permalink #194 of 242: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Wed 22 Jan 25 21:11
permalink #194 of 242: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Wed 22 Jan 25 21:11
The guardian (?) pursuaded me it's not a Nazi salute, but a Mussolini Fascista salute. Adapted from a fake silent movie "Roman" dramatic invention
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permalink #195 of 242: Andrew Alden (alden) Wed 22 Jan 25 22:18
permalink #195 of 242: Andrew Alden (alden) Wed 22 Jan 25 22:18
Oh, well, it's just Fascist, then, not Nazi. What a relief.
Whew!
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permalink #197 of 242: someone who just sucked on a dill pickle (wendyg) Thu 23 Jan 25 01:22
permalink #197 of 242: someone who just sucked on a dill pickle (wendyg) Thu 23 Jan 25 01:22
I think not getting distracted by things that don't much matter would be a good response. Muek's "awkward gesture" being an example: run the picture, move on to the money he's hoping to extract for his businesses... wg
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permalink #198 of 242: Dan Gillmor (dangillmor) Thu 23 Jan 25 04:17
permalink #198 of 242: Dan Gillmor (dangillmor) Thu 23 Jan 25 04:17
Disagree, Wendy. Musk's Nazi salute was an expression of his fascism -- and powerful given the nearly universal distribution (surely his intent) it received.
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permalink #199 of 242: Paula Span (pspan) Thu 23 Jan 25 06:23
permalink #199 of 242: Paula Span (pspan) Thu 23 Jan 25 06:23
I would bet serious money that people at major news outlets, including the NYT and ProPublica, are doing big investigative projects on Musk's business holdings, ventures and practices as we speak.
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permalink #200 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 23 Jan 25 06:59
permalink #200 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 23 Jan 25 06:59
Allowing that I have no idea what goes on at MSNBC, legal reviews are very important for guarding against defamation lawsuits. Bring on the legal reviews and fact checkers, sez I!
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